Aye Caramba! Does ANYONE Still Believe The Ridiculous COVID Wet-Market Theory?

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  1. CoinOKC
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    CoinOKC T R U M P

    Anyone?

    Fauci's ex-boss now says COVID-19 lab leak theory was credible, despite previous claims it was a distraction

    Dr. Francis Collins' testimony came days after Dr. Anthony Fauci was interviewed by the House Select Committee on Coronavirus Pandemic

    January 15, 2024

    Former National Institutes of Health (NIH) Director Dr. Francis Collins admitted to members of Congress last week that the coronavirus lab leak theory was in fact credible, despite his claims in 2021, in which he called it a "distraction."

    Collins made the admission during a closed-door, 7-hour interview on Friday with the House Select Committee on Coronavirus Pandemic, echoing testimony from Dr. Anthony Fauci, who was the public face of the U.S. coronavirus pandemic response.

    The subcommittee’s chairman, Rep. Brad Wenstrup, R-Ohio, released the key takeaways from the interview with Collins, saying he served as Fauci’s "boss."

    Fauci met with the subcommittee earlier in the week, testifying that the lab leak hypothesis – which was often suppressed – was not a conspiracy theory and that the policies and mandates he promoted may increase vaccine hesitancy in the future, Wenstrup wrote last Wednesday.

    "Dr. Collins agreed with Dr. Fauci’s concession that the COVID-19 lab leak hypothesis is not a conspiracy," Wenstrup wrote after interviewing Collins on Friday.

    The congressman also said Collins "minced words" when it came to defining gain-of-function research in an effort to hide NIH’s involvement in funding the research in Wuhan.

    "This wordplay mimics Dr. Fauci’s profuse defense of his previous Congressional testimony, where he claimed the NIH did not fund gain-of-function research in Wuhan," Wenstrup wrote.

    Collins reportedly told the subcommittee that Fauci invited him to attend a conference call on Feb. 1, 2020, which prompted the "Proximal Origin" publication, which attempted to vilify and disprove the lab leak hypothesis.

    "This testimony directly contradicts Dr. Fauci’s previous statements and raises further concerns about the U.S. government’s role in suppressing and vilifying the lab-leak hypothesis," Wenstrup said.

    In addition to going back on previous statements regarding the lab leak hypothesis, Collins agreed with Fauci that social distancing six feet apart was likely not based on scientific data.

    Collins also reaffirmed previous statements attacking the Great Barrington Declaration, which encouraged the protection of the vulnerable and limited restriction of young and healthy Americans.

    Collins made headlines in December 2021 after the House Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Crisis released an email where he expressed deep concerns about the herd immunity strategy being advocated by "fringe epidemiologists," and called for "a quick and devastating published takedown" of the three experts promoting the herd immunity strategy known as "The Great Barrington Declaration."

    He told Fox News’ Bret Baier at the time that he was not going to apologize for his words and argued that hundreds of thousands of people would have died had the U.S. followed the strategy.

    "I did write that, and I will stand by that," Collins said at the time. "Basically, these fringe epidemiologists who really did not have the credentials to be making such a grand sweeping statement, were saying just let the virus run through the population and, eventually, then everybody would have had it, and everything will be okay."

    The interview with Collins came after the House subcommittee met with Fauci on Jan. 8 and Jan. 9 during a 14-hour interview, to discuss his influential role during the pandemic.

    Wenstrup's committee has been investigating whether government officials at the time, including Fauci, worked to suppress questions about whether the pandemic was the result of a lab leak in Wuhan, China.

    Republicans have accused those officials of pushing the natural origin theory in a bid to protect China.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fa...ak-theory-credible-despite-claims-distraction
     
  2. GeneWright

    GeneWright Well-Known Member

    Yes, and you're still posting baseless propaganda. It's no wonder Hunter didn't want to go behind closed doors, this committee questioned this guy for 7 hours and now all the Fox headlines are referencing a 2 second piece and don't even quote the relevant exchange.

    The line about a scientific publication attempting to vilify a theory (that's not what they do, like at all) is laughably thinly veiled propaganda. But hey, keep reading it if you need to be told how to feel.

    All this boils down to is the same thing I and the experts have always been saying. Yes, the lab leak theory is possible, but it's nowhere near as probable as the natural origin theory.

    Literally nothing has changed here, despite the article trying to make it seem that why. Probably why they used so few direct quotes.
     
  3. charley

    charley Well-Known Member

    Really? That is a little pompous, even for you.

    Above all things, Humbleness.
     
  4. Mopar Dude

    Mopar Dude Well-Known Member

    Here's my naivete posted publicly..... If a lab is going to grow a virus, what purpose does that have other than to be weaponized? And in the end we found that for most of us, Covid ended up being a week of the flu. Whether this thing escaped from a lab or a meat market, it is here for perpetuity it would appear. I am of the mind that we have reasoned this thing to death and it is time to move on.
     
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  5. GeneWright

    GeneWright Well-Known Member

    To study them. The lab was notably in that area because china frequently have coronavirus issues. Most notably the early 2000s SARS outbreak. By studying them we can better predict the qualities of future viruses, how they spread, and how to combat them.
     
  6. CoinOKC
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    CoinOKC T R U M P

    Seriously? This is what you once said:

    So, what changed your mind from believing that "nobody believes in the lab leak because its absurdly unlikely" to "yes, the lab leak theory is possible"?

    Listen, you can't have it both ways.
     
  7. GeneWright

    GeneWright Well-Known Member

    "Possible" and "absurdly unlikely" are not in fact mutually exclusive. Nothing changed
     
  8. CoinOKC
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    CoinOKC T R U M P

    Stop dancing around. You once said that nobody (and I assume that includes YOU) believed the lab leak theory. Now, you say it's possible. What changed?
     
  9. GeneWright

    GeneWright Well-Known Member

    I still don't believe it. Nothing changed. I purposefully never said it was impossible, just "absurdly unlikely". That's still my stance, it's possible and absurdly unlikely.
     
  10. CoinOKC
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    CoinOKC T R U M P

    Talking with you is almost as bad as talking with your dad. Speaking of your dad, where is he? I haven't seen him on this forum in ages...
     
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  11. charley

    charley Well-Known Member

    Where are the Clowns.... send in the Clowns.... maybe next year.....
     
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  12. toughcoins

    toughcoins Rarely is the liberal viewpoint tainted by realism

    That's one thing in particular that really rankles me about recent changes in the spoken word . . . "me and her", "I and them" and similar expressions reveal the self-centeredness of modern Americans putting themselves before others. Never had I heard that until the past 25 years or so. "She and I" and "They and I" have virtually disappeared from discourse, and that belies a laziness and lack of adequate consideration in speech today.
     
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  13. Mopar Dude

    Mopar Dude Well-Known Member

    What an interesting observation. I do believe you are correct and now I know that I'll be paying attention to it.
     
  14. What U ignore

    What U ignore Thread KILLER

    LOL, Study them alright. WE PAID the Chinese Communists to make viruses virulent to humans. The Red Chinese let this one get out and spread to the entire world - either intentionally or not.
     
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    What U ignore Thread KILLER

  16. toughcoins

    toughcoins Rarely is the liberal viewpoint tainted by realism

    And that's the problem . . . just because something is possible doesn't mean it should be done . . . Fauci chose to play with fire . . . and the fire grew out of control.
     
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  17. GeneWright

    GeneWright Well-Known Member

    What does that even mean?
     
  18. charley

    charley Well-Known Member

    My guess, using standard English language conversion, is:

    IT IS THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF THE GOBBLEDYGOBBLEDNESS YOU USUALLY POST.
     
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  19. CoinOKC
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    CoinOKC T R U M P

    :D
     
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  20. freshmeat

    freshmeat Can't touch this

    I believe that we don't have all the necessary information yet and that nothing is proven. It was recently disclosed that they filed the complete genome with NIH back in mid December 19.
     

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