you guys need a reminder..

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Danr, May 18, 2007.

  1. Danr

    Danr New Member

    .. of who our next president is..

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  2. bqcoins

    bqcoins New Member

    A robot?
     
  3. DJCoins

    DJCoins New Member

  4. Stu Joe

    Stu Joe New Member

    A pretty sad choice for a candidate but probably better than Giuliani.
     
  5. Danr

    Danr New Member

    fact still remains that she is it, like it or not, it is all but done.
     
  6. Drusus

    Drusus New Member

    I am rooting for Ron Paul.
     
  7. Stu Joe

    Stu Joe New Member

    There is still a lot of questions in my mind about her ability to get elected. Extremely polarizing and it is about as popular to be a Clinton as a Bush. ;)
     
  8. Bonedigger

    Bonedigger Another Wandering Celt

    Damn, had to clean beer off the monitor after that one... ;)
     
  9. Stu Joe

    Stu Joe New Member

  10. DJCoins

    DJCoins New Member

    :p :mouth:
     
  11. jwevansv

    jwevansv All-knowing

    After his ignorant statements at last weeks debates he is dead in the water! He dug his own grave with his comments.
     
  12. jwevansv

    jwevansv All-knowing

    Only if she runs on Al Qaedas ticket! Then she will be your Al Qaeda President, not OURS.
     
  13. Drusus

    Drusus New Member

    which comments? He owned those debates...
     
  14. jwevansv

    jwevansv All-knowing

    Comments like, We are causing Al Qaeda to blow up our WTC Towers and killing innocent people.
     
  15. Drusus

    Drusus New Member

    he didnt quite say that...he said our actions have contributed to terrorism...that they dont hate us for our freedoms but that 9/11 was a result of out 'interventionalism'...while I dont completely agree...those statements will not kill him because I think many people understand that there is some truth in that statement...just one example would be:

    Here's what Michael Scheuer, the former station chief of the CIA's Osama Bin Laden task force, has to say:

    Osama Doesn't Hate Our Freedom: The fundamental flaw in our thinking about Bin Laden is that "Muslims hate and attack us for what we are and think, rather than what we do." Muslims are bothered by our modernity, democracy, and sexuality, but they are rarely spurred to action unless American forces encroach on their lands. It's American foreign policy that enrages Osama and al-Qaida, not American culture and society.


    Ron paul Says:

    The best news is that if stopping suicide terrorism is a goal we seek, a solution is available to us. Cease the occupation of foreign lands, and the suicide missions will cease. Between 1982 and 1986, there were 41 suicide terrorist attacks in Lebanon. Once the U.S., the French, and Israel withdrew their forces from Lebanon, there were no more attacks. The reason the attacks stop, according to Pape, is that the Osama bin Ladens of the world no longer can inspire potential suicide terrorists despite their continued fanatical religious beliefs.

    More than half of the American people now believe that the Iraqi war has made the U.S. less safe. This is a dramatic shift in sentiment from two years ago. Early support for the war reflected a hope for a safer America, and it was thought to be an appropriate response to the 9/11 attacks. The argument was that the enemy attacked us because of our freedom, our prosperity, and our way of life. It was further argued that it was important to engage the potential terrorists over there rather than here. Many bought this argument and supported the war. That is now changing. It is virtually impossible to stop determined suicide bombers. Understanding why they sacrifice themselves is crucial to ending what appears to be senseless and irrational. But there is an explanation.

    I, like many, have assumed that the driving force behind the suicide attacks was Islamic fundamentalism. Promise of instant entry into paradise as a reward for killing infidels seemed to explain the suicides, a concept that is foreign to our way of thinking. The world's expert on suicide terrorism has convinced me to rethink this simplistic explanation, that terrorism is merely an expression of religious extremism and resentment of a foreign culture.

    Religious beliefs are less important than supposed. For instance, the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka, a Marxist secular group, are the world's leader in suicide terrorism . The largest Islamic fundamentalist countries have not been responsible for any suicide terrorist attack. None have come from Iran or the Sudan. Until the U.S. invasion of Iraq, Iraq never had a suicide terrorist attack in all of its history. Between 1995 and 2004, the al-Qaeda years, two-thirds of all attacks came from countries where the U.S. had troops stationed. Iraq's suicide missions today are carried out by Iraqi Sunnis and Saudis. Recall, 15 of the 19 participants in the 9/11 attacks were Saudis.
    The clincher is this: the strongest motivation, according to Pape, is not religion but rather a desire "to compel modern democracies to withdraw military forces from the territory the terrorists view as their homeland."

    It is time for us to consider a strategic reassessment of our policy of foreign interventionism, occupation, and nation-building. It is in our national interest and in the interest of world peace to do so.

    smart man...I agree
     
  16. jwevansv

    jwevansv All-knowing

    There are over 15 wars across the globe involving Muslims. Do you think those wars are caused by the US as well?
     
  17. Drusus

    Drusus New Member

    He was talking about terrorist suicide attacks on the US...wars in their own lands do not concern us and do not relate to what he was talking about...or what you were refering to. But yes...as he has said...our support and meddling in internal affairs of these nations has in part contributed to some problems...it always has throughout history...I could name quite a few in south america. More often than not, when we meddle in other nations affairs...it doesnt have good results. But I dont think his comments will hurt him...I think he said some things people wanted to hear and what many people are thinking.

     
  18. Danr

    Danr New Member

    no, you are the al queda, so there Mr. al queda.
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  19. jwevansv

    jwevansv All-knowing

    So, you blame the US as well? You are an evil person Drusus if you believe that. For anyone to say WE are causing more harm than good in the world one has to be braindead. I am out for awhile again to regain my composure. I can only take so much nonsense at a time. Stop copying all that text in every post too.
     
  20. Drusus

    Drusus New Member

    not to mention that I agree completely with Ron Pauls domestic agenda...and his ideas concerning the federal reserve and our monetary system are exactly what I want to hear:



     

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