Wisconsin recall?

Since Peter has not enabled searches prior to his update yet, I cannot find the exact quote moen used, but didn't he predict that the Republicans would lose control of the Wisconsin senate? I wonder why he isn't gloating about his major victories.

 

I think he also said something advocating burning & violence too.

 

And I just heard that the primary issue in one of the districts where the Republican that lost was the Republican's extra-marital affair. Still the Rep only lost by 745 votes. Sounds to me like the voters have spoken.

 

Indeed, I seem to recall Kreskin predicting that some time ago.

As I recall, I too believe those sentiments were expressed. I also seem to recall that he said he was headed to Wisconsin to help with the recall effort in some way. Well, what is it they say about the "best efforts of mice and men"...?

Today is a sad day in Moenville. For those reading this who don't know the cause of Moen's tears, let's take a moment and reflect:

Wis. GOP holds off Democrats in recall elections

MADISON, Wis. (AP) — Republicans held onto control of the Wisconsin Senate on Tuesday, beating back four Democratic challengers in a recall election despite an intense political backlash against GOP support for Gov. Scott Walker's effort to curb public employees' union rights.
Fueled by millions of dollars from national labor groups, the attempt to remove GOP incumbents served as both a referendum on Walker's conservative revolution and could provide a new gauge of the public mood less than a year after Republicans made sweeping gains in this state and many others.
Two Democratic incumbents face recalls next week, but even if Democrats win those they will still be in the minority.
Turnout was strong in the morning and steady in the afternoon in communities such as Whitefish Bay, Menomonee Falls and Shorewood, where Sen. Alberta Darling was one of the four Republicans to hold onto her seat.
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"I feel that a lot of people didn't get their way, threw a crybaby fit and decided to have a recall. The majority of Wisconsin already voted," said 43-year-old Ross Birkigt of Menomonee Falls. "It's a shame that all of sudden this happens and that a lot of special-interest money gets poured into it. I'm kind of getting sick of seeing this stuff on TV every single minute."

 

I think I remember the Wisconsin Senate having 19 Republicans but now there are only 17. It seems that there was a recall of 6 Republicans yesterday in some pretty heavily Republican districts. Wait until the Walker recall comes up in January. Wait until the rest of the Republican Senators that aren’t in heavily Republican districts have served 1 year and are eligible for a recall. These were just the first victories. Stay tuned.

 

Wis. Dem memo: Victory predictions "dangerous"
MADISON, Wis. — Democrats on the ground here are increasingly confident they will pick up two state Senate seats but are warning that winning the third necessary for a takeover is a tenuous prospect.

Despite hype from some in the party apparatus about a "six for six" sweep Tuesday, the more realistic scenario is winning two or three seats, according to those involved in the ground game.

The most stark word of caution is included in a private memo obtained by POLITICO from the Democratic-leaning We Are Wisconsin group to its donors.

"In our final days, we remain cautiously optimistic about our chances to take back the Senate. But predictions of victory at this point are beyond premature — they’re dangerous," wrote We Are Wisconsin field director Kristen Crowell in an Aug. 3 memo obviously designed to lower expectations.

"While we have solid research suggesting there are races where we might secure a second and third potential pickup, none of these of these races except 32 should be considered safe pickups (and even there we face challenges to get the ball over the goal line), and we are dealing with an unprecedented electorate that is very difficult to forecast," she continues.

After outlining the odds Democrats face in going up against the "unlimited resources" of "corporate interests," Crowell warns that predictions of three wins in the bank are overblown.

"While we believe we have the best, most talented team available in place to execute our program down the stretch, predictions of even 3 solid wins on August 9th — much less 4, 5, or 6 — are simply not reflective of the situation on the ground as we see it. But we remain confident that based on all our efforts and planning, we have the best possible program in place to potentially pull this thing off on Aug. 9 and defend our gains on Aug. 16," she said.

 

In other words, the Wisconsinites like what they have and if it weren't for the affair, they would have like it even more!To turn your statement around;

 

Democrats walked into 6 districts where the cons have pretty heavy representation and took two seats away. The rest of the recalls are not in heavily con districts. We already knew what the cons believed so there are no surprises here except that they are down to more seats. Try and spin this as a win if you can but I see it as merely the first shot across the bow, and it was a definitely heard.

 

So the dips purposely picked on the most republican districts to stage their last stand? Really? The districts that they are the least likely to win? Not even I believe they are that dumb. Do you really think that low of your comrades? How many of those districts did BO win? BTW, what was the main issue in the 32nd district?

 

Don't be such an uninformed idiot (like you have a choice). The recalls were in the districts that had people who had served at least 1 year in office. They happen to be in heavily con districts and they were targeted first because they were eligible first. I'd guess without hesitation that those districts voted for the cons overwhelmingly in 2010 which is more relevant than who voted in 2008. You can try and come up with any excuse that you want but the fact is that there are two less cons in the Wis. Senate today because they were recalled. There had only been 20 total recalls since 1908 across the nation and they are very difficult to pull off at all but they succeeded in two instances which is remarkable. Especially when you consider the 10’s of millions of dollars corporations poured into this race to defeat the recalls not to mention all of the dirty tactics and morally vacant behavior demonstrated by your brethren. I’m sure you’re proud as punch.

 

Try and spin this as a win if you can but I see it as merely the first shot across the bow. No comment on all of the union monies? No comment on district 32? However, I do remember your comment on union tactics;

 

I can practically hear your tears hitting the floor from here. The inability of the Dems to recall these Republicans spells failure on their part any way you look at it. Sorry, Moen but I believe the tide is turning against Democrats/Socialists/Communists/Labor Unions.

 

Taking two seats in a recall is losing? I hope they keep losing.

 

Still waiting for your comments! "No comment on all of the union monies? No comment on district 32? However, I do remember your comment on union tactics"

 

Having read the usual drivel here on Partisanlines aka PRWE yesterday was actually an interesting day in Wisconsin.

There have actually been a few good comments made here in regards to the matter (a rarity here it seems) and then as mentioned the usual drivel.

Rlm's comment for instance. Yep, the extra marital affair was most likely a big factor. Bottom line is he lost though isn't it? He was voted in and got voted out a lot sooner than expected.

Next week we have two Dems facing the same. They just might lose their positions.

What you all seem to be missing is that it's actually happening. Whilst you all snipe at one another people are getting pissed off. They've been pissed off for a long time. They will continue to be pissed off. No brain surgery here.
The real question is how to handle it. Can anyone seriously argue with that fact?

Yesterday there were no clear victories in Wisconsin. There was a statement however and it's in the previous paragraph.

Doesn't matter what party you belong to or what your beliefs are. Wisconsin just may be a litmus test. The country is falling apart and all I see is people pointing fingers. We need more Wisconsins.

Make the damn politicians work for the country not for themselves. Is that a difficult concept?

I think that's how it's suppose to work. So here we have this great two party system that obviously doesn't work so well these days.
Vote Republican or vote Democrat. I prefer to vote for people, and yes they do disappoint me at times. Take that how you want folks but I'll tell you all this.

ANYONE that votes for a party because "it represents their beliefs" is truly a mindless dolt. I'm tired of dolts.

 

Well said Clembo

 

Why even bother commenting on union money when it is completely dwarfed by anonymous corporate money? Why even talk about the petty change when the vast, vast majority of the money spent in these races came from anonymous corporate donors? The way I see the money that comes from union sources is that it is merely workers grouping together to have a much larger voice than they could have as individuals. So people standing up for themselves is a bad thing? Corporate money on the other hand, what are they buying for their huge contributions to Republicans? The simple answer is that they are buying our government, yet you want to fault the workers for wanting to have a voice.

Like I said; Republicans, whether they are just indifferent or just ignorant, I have no respect for them in either case. Labor built this country not the economic royalists.

 

If you are against the unions, you are against the middle class in this country. This graph proves beyond a shadow of a doubt the relationship that clearly exists between the middle class and union membership. You couldn't have a more cause and effect relationship. So when you slam unions, you are actually slamming the middle class. If you're a wealthy elitist and well above the middle class ranks you're a greedy . If you are in the ranks of the middle class and against unions, you aren't even on par with the greedy elitists. You are a complete and total tool of the greedy elitist. Those are the only two choices possible. The numbers don’t lie.

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I think it is absolute proof that David Madland is a complete and total liberal. "The numbers don’t lie." Sure! And all statistics can be made to say anything.

 

This is why you are a Republican. You can't refute the data in any meaningful way at all so you attack the field of statistics and those thast use them. The numbers are 100% accurate and irrefutable. Why don't you just pretend for a second that you aren't just another tool of the cons and react to the fact that only unions guarantee that we will have a middle class in this country. Do it out of what unions have given you over the decades. A 40-hour work week, vacation and sick pay, worker safety rules, child labor laws, etc. You may be a shortsighted ingrate but you should at least acknowledge what has been hard fought and won so that you could have a better life. If you can't do that much, what use are you to anybody? Damn little I imagine.