When will it get better?

Stonewalling? It's not only what BO hasn't done that has hurt, it's what we has done that is causing many of our problems too. The uncertainty that many feel in regards to agenda...the piling on of debt, another stimulus, healthcare ramifications, tax increases, VAT...there is no confidence among the people or business. We are all being ultra cautious, waiting for the other shoe to fall.

 

David it was the people of business who caused this mess in the 1st place, long before President Obama became President I can remember been told on this forum that I was speaking rubbish when I stated that home repos were rising dramaticaly and would continue to do so and not only amongst the less well off, I was told I did not know what I was talking about when I commented on the massive amount of your trade debt held by China. Yet here we are now and what are we talking about? Your country has been sold down the river but it didnt happen yesterday nor did it start under this Presidency.
Try been honest for once David and stop laying all the blame at his door.

 

Laying all this at the current President's door is as plausible as a 50 years smoker blaming his lung cancer only on the cigarettes he has smoked in the last year. The ones smoked over the last year sure didn't help but they were just part of a much longer problem.

 

On the flip side, nobody ever cured lung cancer by increasing their smoking habit from 1 pack a day to 5 packs per day.

 

Probably the best analogy anyone has used here!

 

If someone has been smoking a pack a day for 29 years. 5 packs a day for a year isn't the biggest contributing factor to the cancer. We started to go over the edge in the 1980's and have just picked up steam over the last 2 administrations. While the current administration is certainly pigging out, I sure didn't see the the last one push away from pig trough when the debt went to 5 trillion or 10 trillion. Which is why I am highly suspect of anyone from either party trying to blame the other party. The new found fiscal responsibility talk of the Republicans is far from believable at this point.

 

The Bush administration certainly did not help the situation by starting two wars and spending money like the democrats. That spending in fact had a very detrimental effect on the republican party whose constituents could no longer tell the difference between the republican and democratic candidates. The result was a luke warm turnout by the republicans and a landslide win by the democrats in the 2006 midterm elections.

Once the democrats controlled the congress, the shopping spree hit full steam, or so we thought. Obama's administration along with the democratic house & senate are spending this country into failure. But don't worry, it will all come to an end in two months when the republicans take back the house and possibly the senate.

BTW, the point of my analogy had nothing to do with who is to blame. It was about how to fix the situation moving forward, but something tells me you already knew that.

 

Problem been Lehigh is something you highlighted "no longer tell the difference between the republican and democratic candidates" what makes you think that things will realy change if the Reps actualy do take controll? we have all seen similar rhetoric before and as David points out what about the Promises made by President Obama LOL why will republicans be any different once they get a taste of power The money will still flow but most likely in a slightly different direction

 

Sure. But my point and main problem comes from these 2 quotes. I think it is quite valid to question whether the second is true based upon the very recent history of the first.

 

Are you serious? The new breed of republican candidates including the tea party candidates are much easier to differentiate from the democrats than the centrists that held office during the Bush administration. Now there is no guarantee that change will occur. These politicians could turn out to be lying underhanded type like so many of the past. But until they prove to be liars, I will take them over those currently in office who publicly admit that they want to continue spending until the end of time.

 

I think you are missing a piece of the puzzle. The republican spending that we are referring to happened during a republican Presidential administration. The new republicans who will seize control of Congress will have a democratic President and their opposition of his policies will be nothing if not consistent. If you really think that the republicans are going to support spending money on democratic policies, then I submit you need to learn more about our current political system.

Having said that, Moen's spin of the republicans is not true either. The democrats typically oppose republican policies with the same ferver that the republicans show towards theirs. The key difference between the two parties is that the democrats are much more likely to break ranks and vote against their own policies. Then people like Moen blame the republicans. If they could obtain 100% support from their own party members, they could pass anything they want since they have control of the Presidency, Houes, and Senate. But according to the Moens and TomClowns of the world, everything is the fault of the republicans. Apparently, democrats don't own mirrors.

 

Who said they would spend it on "Democratic Policies". I am sure they will pig out on their own "Republican Policies". If you have trust in the veracity of their new found fiscal restraint...more power to you. It will take a lot more action than populist, political grandstanding for me to buy into it.

 

If you don't believe their campaign promises, then you have no reason to vote for them in the first place. In case you were wondering, there are actual politicians who make promises and then make good on those promises despite the fact that it involves doing things that are not always popular. Gov Christie in New Jersey is a prime example. He is slashing spending all over the state just like he said he would. He is meeting strong opposition from those government employees who are affected by the cuts, but he is doing it anyway. It may not be popular, it may cost him reelection, but New Jersey will be much better off in the future because of him.

 

I would be soundly in that camp.

 

Perfectly seriouse after all was not President Obama called a new type of candidate yet most post here accuse him of reverting to the old politics from the get go. Now what makes you so sure that these NEW Republicans are in fact any different, how many of them have come up through the political ranks and how many of them are actual 1st time political candidates? Because if they are not political virgins then no matter what they say they are tainted by past associations and ideals

 

If you recall, I gave Obama the exact same benefit of doubt when he was first elected. There is no way to know how they will turn out after they take office. I hope they are like Governor Christie and stick to their campaign promises. If not, they will be replaced by democrats in the next election.

 

For sure give them the oppertunity to prove themselfs but all I am saying is remember they are politicians

 

When will it get better.........let's see. OOO..I know. When the republicans get back into power?!??! Right? See??? I get it!! Soon as we can stop all spending and funnel the cash DIRECTLY into the pockets of the ultra elite, the sooner we'll all be better off!!
So can I have my pallet of 3 trillion of dollars now...like the one that went missing from the Pentagon on September 10th, 2001 that Rummy told us about before we re-shifted everyone's attention to something else the following day? Out of sight...out of mind...I always say!
I got it. EXtract... DIStract...then blame the victims, then kill everybody else's kids based on lies. Good business...no?

 

Wow, that is a new one. You are claiming that the DOD stole 3 trillion dollars and that 9/11 was a government subterfuge.

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/29/eveningnews/main325985.shtml

Scuse me....2.3 trillion..