What's a "fair share"?

...yep... then they elected Obama...

 

That's where you and I diverge. See, I think the worst of times officially began on Jan. 20, 2009. But, I'm seeing some light on the horizon. Mark your calendar for Jan. 20, 2013 for some good change, not just pocket change.

 

So, you guys don't think the bailout of the auto companies was not a good idea. When the stocks come back to a decent price, the government can sell them and actually make money off the bailout money they put into Chrysler and GM, but that is not a good idea. Saving jobs, getting our car companies back on track and profitable was not a good idea? I not sure I agree with you on this point.

 

Just curious, but how many jobs were really saved and for how long? If you really think jobs would have been lost by, say, GM going bankrupt, how do you think the company will operate successfully with people they do not need while paying them more than they should?

 

I think a lot of jobs were saved, because without the bailout these companies may not have been able to get back on their feet. And we are not just talking about the people who work for GM and Chrysler, we are talking about people who work for companies that support these two auto makers. And you do not believe the government will ever get their bailout money back? They did from the banks.

 

I think a lot are (will be) lost because in bankruptcy they would get to eliminate all the "dead wood" and become a competitive company thereby increasing sales against the foreign competition. Now they have excess costs and have to charge more for their cars and then the foreign competition will sell more cars. Therefore, they will start laying off again and still eventually go bankrupt.

 

How do you know if any jobs were saved? How do you quantify that assumption?

 

Sound's like you're gettin' into the "hopey-dopey" thing Pailin' was screachin' about...

You'll need it. I've seen Obama's competition.

 

IMO, the bailouts were done to prevent the economy from collapsing more than it already had. Our economy is based on confidence after-all, and nothing kills confidence more than massive failures in major businesses.

As I understand it, most of the money from the bailouts has been paid back already. I've also heard that this bailout has cost the American people less than the savings and loan crisis caused by Reagan's ineptitude in the 80s.

...or am I mistaken?

 

...or in the White House...

 

Your right.... business does want a President who will do everthing possible to see to their every need, cater to their whims, treat them like they are god's gift to the universe... so when a Republican loses the job they whine like starving babies, their milk bottles having been taken away from them. But those babies are fat and need a diet.

They don't need to be given money endlessly like they receive under a Republican. This socialist practice of giving busineses charity shouldn't be done in the first place.

I'm saying Republican Presidents spoiled the brat. Time for a real parent. The kid whines? What do you expect? You spoiled the little *poof*

 

I just can't figure out why anyone would think that the "job creators" are doing a very good job. The biggest corporations are far better at creating jobs overseas where they can pay a dollar a day and ship it back here and sell it to the people that can't even afford the low quality crap they shovel into every corner of Walmart. They are the people that we want our government to emulate? They have no interest in making this country a better place to live for all Americans, they simply want to rake in profit anyway they can. Selfish greed is not what I want our government to copy from the private sector and yet that is what the Right-wing continually shoves in our face. Government is bad! Private sector is good but who do they really look out for? Themselves of course and this is what the Cons want us to respect? Sorry, I just think selfishness will bring this country down for everyone and if we let it happen, we'll deserve it.

 

The big job creators are not creating new jobs, they are just working their current workers longer hours because they are unsure about our government. They have stacks of cash in their bank accounts, but are afraid to use it because our congress and president will not decide something for more that two or three months, maybe a year. How do they know if they will pay more taxes, less taxes or have more or less restrictions on them unless a law is passed for a long time and not just in increments of time. I understand why these companies would not hire when the decision makers cannot make up their minds. It is also true that these larger companies are sending more work overseas and hiring there because the workers are cheap, which allows them to make more profit.

 

Of course you could always refuse to buy this low quality crap shipped in from overseas. If the demand wasn't there they wouldn't ship it in. I am sure the customers of Wal-Mart cover the entire political spectrum. Libs just don't understand that the consumer is the one which has the final word in these matters.

 

With the economy the way it is, a lot of people are buying the low cost crap because it is cheaper and they have no choice. Everybody wants to buy quality items, but just can't afford them. I know I can't right now.

 

You are 100% correct...I consult for businesses of various sizes & I hear it several times a day, everyday. No confidence in BO and ZERO vision or leadership coming from the WH.

 

You fuss and complain about US business exporting manufacturing jobs to overseas. Yet the US worker will not take a paycut to make their labor more competitive with overseas workers. Then when they can make the ultimate decision as a consumer for US business on the matter - they buy the cheaper less expensive foriegn made product and perpetuate the problem. So you want US business to pay higher wages, mandate investment in being greener, provide a safer work enivironment, chip in on your health care and pay a bigger fair share in taxes and what are you as a consumer willing to pay for this? An amount equal to the low cost import crap.

 

If only! Go into any Walmart and try to buy something NOT made in China. Good luck! Nothing is manufactured in this country anymore. 50,000 manufacturing plants have closed in this country in the last 10 years. The job creators ARE creating jobs....In China!

 

Good post!
We just need to add the union influence as it relates to an artificially high wage scale.

 

Hahaha! Yeah, pay union workers MORE! That will bring jobs back to the U.S.!!! What La-La Land are these dimwitted liberals living in?