Likewise. My monthly bill is like 900 hundred. And thats just two adults. And we have dinner parties(two other couples) once a week and my wife isnt going to serve mac and cheese and sloppy joes. And the weekends usually finds four grandchildren and their parents at our house.
Oh, dah-ling, do be a sport and ask Carmelita to retrieve the good china and linen from the credenza. Biff and Buffy are coming over tonight and I simply must ask Biff about the stance he uses when he tees off on the 9th hole. Now, if you and Buffy will be good ladies and retire to the galley and whip up something good to eat, but please none of that dreadful macaroni-and-cheese concoction nor those awful sloppy joes. That's all so vuuuuuul-guh!
I dont get it. Maybe thats what you serve your friends. Or maybe you dont have any, so theres no need to worry about it. I dont know. But my post wasnt mean spirited towards you. So I dont get it.
I am reminded of this parable for some strange reason.... "The turtle is ferrying animals across a river so they can get to high ground and escape a flood. The scorpion repeatedly asks to be taken but the turtle refuses. Finally all the animals are across except the scorpion who pleads his case one last time. He convinces the turtle by telling him that it would be foolish for the scorpion to sting him because then he would die as well. About halfway across the river, the scorpion indeed does sting the turtle. The turtle, dying, asks why since now they would both die. The scorpion responds that it was his nature to do so."
Sorry, your comment struck me as very snobbish. The discussion is about welfare and the poor people in society, but you mentioned that you have dinner parties every week and your wife wouldn't serve mac-and-cheese and sloppy joes. Look at the comment impartially and see if it doesn't sound just a bit "nose in the air"....
Okey dokey okie. If you would've followed the progression of the thread you would've see that Angie mentioned her costs for food. I asked for a run down. Then Moen posted his costs and why. So I did the same. I know threads like these never veer off the subject. But some members like to cast aspersions. And just so you know when it come to welfare recipients, my nose is in the air. This is to say I don't consider them hu---uh on the same playing field.
Now, that comment certainly DOES sound snobbish. Unless I'm taking it the wrong way. Would you care to explain?
I apologize for being snippy. The stuff I see so much at work and in some of these communities here (plus closer to home in both my wife's and my families) makes me a little sensitive about being thrown into the Let Them Eat Cake crowd. My views don't go down that path. My heart doesn't bleed as much as some but I very much think there is a moral obligation to help those that are truly in need when family and community have failed. I just think limited funds are best used for those that are the most in need and not for those that have a support system already in place.
So you think welfare recipients and walfare frauds are equal to your social level? You consider them at par with hard working lower income people who do the best they can everyday? Thats great that you do. I dont. But kudos to you for seeing them as equals to you.
We typically spend 150 to 160 a week on groceries (family of 4). We go weekly, work from a list, rarely buy any name brands and take advantage of sales. We don't do coupons much because they typically are still more expensive than the Kroger brands. That amount also includes pretty much all toiletries, some paper goods and some cleaning supplies. We also plan meals a head of shopping (typical meal is a meat dish - beef or chicken, occasionally fish or pork, pasta or rice type side and a veggie) and we limit the junk food. That total does not include the kid's lunches as they buy them at school but it does include my lunches which I take to work. We also take advantage of the 10 cents off gas Kroger offers.
So with this post and a previous one you made, if some poor folk get a pot of soup from a nieghbor, or if a friend allows a welfare mother to use their car to go grocery shopping, or if a church gives her kids some used sneakers; then she shouldnt recieve wic or food stamps. I see your point. The nerve of them.
That's not much of an explanation, but I suppose it will have to suffice. Anyway, welfare recipients certainly ARE equal to me. No better. No worse. They're human beings who deserve the same respect I do. I'm not going to judge them as a group and condemn them like you are doing. Many of them truly are down on their luck and need help. Welfare frauds are a different story entirely. If they're receiving welfare fraudulently, they need to be punished to the fullest extent of the law.
No I shop once every two weeks. I did not list everything, and some of your prices are off. I pay way more than $2 for a box of cereal. It is usually about $3.50 a box and I usually have to get 2. I have to buy more than one pound of fruit, I pay about $3.70 per gallon of milk. May I ask where you are from?
I know what you're saying. I come from a very large, very hard working family. My dad worked 16 hour days, 6 days a week most of my life. No one ever left gave us an inheritance, welfare, or anything else that wasn't earned. My wife's family was pretty much raised the same way but we both have exceptions in our immediate families to the hard working rule. We each have at least one relative that has signed bankruptcy multiple times, believes that the world owes them a living, and who sue others as often as they can work themselves into a legal situation they can benefit from. They disgust me but I don't let their behaviors taint my view of all poor people nor do I think that just because I made it, everyone else should be able to do as well as I have. I firmly believe that you reap what you sew. They may get away with something today but they always end up just hurting themselves in the end. I have seen it again and again. I just can't resent them for their lack of character when the real gift hard working people have is the ability to fend for themselves and their families.
If you need a helping hand that is fine. Just do not be on it for life. And if you can work you really should. There is no reason why you should sit at home on your lazy but collecting money when you are fully capable of working.
Alternatively, I guess since you disagree with me, you are ok with homeless people living in the streets (and dying in a VA hospital) because someone who has a support system available to them sucks off the money that could save someone else who has no support system at all. I believe it depends upon whether you live in a fantasy world where the funding is unlimited or whether you live in the real world where funding is limited and being cut all the time and choices have to be made on who is in the most desperate need. And one in which fraud, waste, and abuse kills.
Not considering that if teenage boys run out of food, they start eating the butter. Seriously, they eat nonstop and when you add in their friends, you better make sure you don't get a finger too close to the food. Ouch! :0
I applaud you. I'm sure you really feel that way. And I believe that many of them need welfare. That only very few are fruads. So then am I correct in guessing you dont see welfare as some sort of entitlement? That it should not be cut?
No not at all. I agree with you. I'll take it even further. Get rid of them. They are just ''in the way people'' anyeway.
