Twisters Terrorize Midwest

So its being a tragedy excuses your hypocrisy?

 

That's not the point. The point is that you are. But missing the point is a standard tactic among RWers here.

 

I'm not the one who brought God into this discussion so please explain how my belief in God is "the point".

 

I think the reference was in connection to your belief not his or his lack thereof. My guess is that he was trying to phrase things in terms you'd understand. But I could be wrong.

 

Yes, you're wrong.

 

I think that's for Moen to determine

 

But, it's so difficult these days to tell whether he's just being satirical or misrepresenting the truth. I'll have to go with "misrepresenting the truth" on this one.

 

It will be the state that asks for federal government aid. And, because the feds have all the power and all the money, at the expense of the state and private organizations, the state has little choice but to go begging to them for it.

And I bet most of any federal money that comes in will go to cleanup and to rebuild infrastructure - which would be a state functions if the feds didn't keep them in indentured servant status - and not to the people's personal living expenses. I seriously doubt you will have tornado victims living in FEMA trailers 5 years from now like they did for Katrina.

 

I'm not sure about it going only for infrastructure. Thousands of them are going to have to have someplace to live while they fight with their private insurance companies over money to rebuild their houses as well as their businesses. And if they don't have insurance, well that's their problem isn't it.

But the point is that they could always just say no to government aid, couldn't they? States have refused federal money before and I must applaud their sticking to their stated principles on this point. I mean it can hardly come as a shock to these people that they have chosen to live in a dangerous area and there are consequences that come with this choice. Why should they expect the rest of us to help bail them out? I give to the Red Cross, so I'm already helping on a voluntary non-coercive basis.

 

I said most for infrastructure and such. Which are normal government functions.

It prety much is for many people. The way I understand it is that the specific area has to qualify as a big enough disaster to get anything. Tornadoes don't always qualify. Regardless of how much the feds have taken in taxes from the state, they don;t give anything back unless the disaster meets their standards. And, I am pretty sure, then you have to apply for a loan if you have no other means to pay for your own losses. And only after you do not qualify for all that can you get assistance.

Why would the states not request the money from the feds? The rebuilding is a state function and if the feds didn't take all the money out of the state, the state wouldn't have to ask for the money. But, at least in Illinois, since the feds take out much more than they give back, the state has little choice but to go beg for the money. Money that they could have had if the feds didn't take it in the first place. They are really just asking for their money back.

Most probably don't. And for the most part, we won't.

If you have some kind of idea that a disaster comes through and the feds go in like superman and just start paying off people's stuff if they don't have insurance, I believe you are mistaken.

This is the exception to the 'we won't' above and I am sure that is where the much of the direct assistance to individuals will come from.

 

Edited. See below

 

Remember now....no help for those devastated by these tornadoes....THAT WOULD BE SOCIALISM..(and the right wing is full out against this kind of thing). There's no profit in it.

 

http://www.disasterassistance.gov/
http://www.fema.gov/assistance/
http://www.usa.gov/Government/State-Local/Disasters.shtml

I assume then that honest Teabaggers and similar antigovt RWers affected by this disaster will not be attempting to obtain any of the various types of Federal aid referenced on the above sites. And as for the Feds taking all of their money, it appears that the Red states including those afflicted by the storms are already doing pretty well tax dollar-wise. But no doubt they'll want even more before they go back to talking about drowning their golden goose in the bathtub.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/04/the_red_state_ripoff.html

 

One of the rare RWers who seems to be walking the walk.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/03/04/ohio-governor-kasich-turns-down-federal-disaster-aid/

 

The very next day the headline will read: "Large angry mob beats the heck out of governor while chanting "We want our money!""

...or not lol

 

Why do refer to him as "rare"? His action seems fairly typical of conservatives.

 

I doubt they break assistance down by political party so we will never know what individuals apply and what don't. I know if my house is leveled in a tornado, I am not going to get anything from the government. The insurance I paid for will be what I get.

For a little more on how assistance works and who can qualify, Washington State (a respectable blue state - but not in the midwest) has an interesting FAQ.

http://www.emd.wa.gov/disaster/disaster_household_faqs.shtml

I will leave it to you to decide for yourself which party's most loyal would be most likely to qualify for federal disaster assistance.

In the most simplistic of terms, I am sure that graph is correct. But, it is not like the government just gives that money back with no strings attached. They give it back and tell the state how they can use it.

The way I understand how it works is that those states can't use that money where they see fit or where they may need it in a disaster. If the Feds give them money to build a new museum, study the sex life of a blue monkey or build a bridge to somewhere (or nowhere ), the Govenor can't then say: "We will just go ahead and use that money to rebuild infrastructure destroyed by that tornado." Nope. They have to go begging to the Feds for more money and hope they get enough, or any, to rebuild the area.

It is like if I take all your money, and then give the money back to you but then tell you that you can only spend it on fixing your driveway and planting tomatoes and building a shed. Then, when your car breaks down, you have to come to me and ask for more money and I tell you: 'Sorry, you don't qualify for money to fix that because you only live 10 miles from work. You can just walk. Or go into debt to fix it.'

Regardless of what your own beliefs on personal responsibility might be, I have taken away your options and have made you dependent and subservient to me.

And, just another aside based upon your thread title again, you do know that 7 of the 12 Midwestern states voted Dem last election, right? Making them Blue States. For example, my state, which is in the Midwest and was affected by the tornadoes, is a blue state and also a donor state when it comes to federal money.

 

I heard the tornadoes were Obama's fault...

 

Just for kicks, I did a search for the phrase "the tornadoes were Obama's fault" and got 45,800 hits. The results don't indicate how many of those were sarcasm or how many were genuinely nuts lol

 

Like the ones that railed against the stimulus package and voted against it and then held events back home to dole out the stimulus money they railed against? Now that is a typical Conservative. Can you deny that?

So Kasich will come up with the money to help these people from state funds? My guess is that no matter what Kasich say today, he'll cave in like they all do or angry mobs in his state will recall his ideological ass and run him out of town on a rail. What an idiotic corner these stupid Rw'ers have boxed themselves into. Far RW ideology is getting it's day in the sun and I predict one hell of a sunburn.