Told you so...

Not a dead end at all...water might even BE a dead end but we can thank our lucky stars that scientists dont see a problem and simply say it cant be done or we wouldnt have all the great advancements in technology we have right now.

The key is to to have an engine that will combine the conventional aspects of a hydrogen fuel cell and will also split water...Certainly it takes power to split the water into its components but then the components travel through a long winding plate channels and it is generating energy through reaction...it ISNT burning the hydrogen but causing a constant reaction as long as there is hyrodren going through the folded plate so, in fact, the standard hydrogen fuel cell does generate more energy then it takes to simply split the molecule...not only that but the more folds in the plate, the longer you can create the reaction and generate the energy from one reaction...


Not to mention hydrogen generators are not at all a dead end...its just not cost effective right now to supply the hydrogen...but it can be made so...without doubt. Or just the simple hygrogen burning generator with 0 emissions...

It has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with the best option...0 waste emisions and hydrogen which is the most effective fuel of any other alternative.

http://www.globalideasbank.org/site/bank/idea.php?ideaId=776

In Harnosand, Olaf Tegstrom designed and lived in a house where the electricity came from a small computer-controlled Danish windmill in the garden. The electricity was used to electrolyse filtered water into its constituents, hydrogen and oxygen, with the hydrogen gas used for cooking and heating the house and as fuel for a SAAB car. The car is non-polluting as the exhaust consists almost entirely of water vapour, and the safe storage problem has been solved, with the gas absorbed to form a metal hydride and released as required. Indeed in West Berlin, thanks to government subsidies for fuels that did not cause acid rain, Daimler Benz has built a filling station where various converted vehicles can be filled with hydrogen, produced from town gas.


It can be done without doubt

here are some links on the process, benefits and the plan to implement hydrogen fuel cells:

http://www.fuelcellsworks.com/Supppage2336.html

http://web.mit.edu/afs/athena.mit.edu/org/m/mecheng/fcp/about%20f%20cells.html

http://www.bigs.de/en/shop/htm/bz01.html

 

I really like it when a nonsense thread turns into something worth talking about. Keep it up guys. :high5:

 

Told you so...I couldn't said it better myself!

By Diana West - May 25, 2007

Funny how small 26 percent sounds when it describes, for example, the number of American voters who support the Senate's mass-amnesty, goody-bag bill for illegal aliens. In this case, the one in four people polled by Rasmussen this week who hope the legislation pass comes off as a minority voice, especially when compared to the whopping 72 percent of voters who favor border enforcement and the reduction of illegal immigration.


But 26 percent looms large when it describes the number of American Muslims, ages 18-29, who support suicide bombings "in defense of Islam" -- one of the sensational, if sensationally under-reported, findings of a recent Pew poll.

According to Pew, the total Muslim population in America is 2.35 million, 30 percent of whom are between 18 and 29. By my figuring, the suicide-bomb-approving cohort works out to 183,000 people. The poll also tells us that 69 percent of younger American Muslims say suicide bombings are never justified. While representing a majority almost as great as the percentage of American voters who favor border enforcement, 69 percent in this particular case is wholly inadequate; indeed, it is a strikingly poor showing.

Why? In the case of the immigration bill, the poll reflects public opinion pertaining to a political process, a no-holds-barred, expletive-laced, free-for-all that, loathsome as it may sometimes seem, remains democratically rooted in a non-violent contest of ideas, politics and flim-flam. In such a context, one-quarter of anything pales next to three-quarters of anything.

In the case of suicide bombing, however, the context changes. According to Pew's data, one-quarter of younger American Muslims approve of the presence of skin-ripping, skull-crushing, organ-piercing violence in civilian life as a religious imperative -- "in defense of Islam." (The Pew pollsters declined to define "defense of Islam," but having lived through Pope Rage, Cartoon Rage, Koran Rage, Satanic Verses Rage, etc., I think it's safe to say this is a rather broad category.)

Such approval for religious violence is not just another unfettered political opinion finding expression in a poll-taker's tally. On the contrary, the fact that a significant young chunk of American Islam believes such violence has a place in society indicates something closer to the end of unfettered political opinion. It may signal the beginning of physical coercion as a factor in the American political process. This helps explain why the 69 percent figure is no consolation prize; only unanimity is acceptable here.

[Didn't OldDan ask why there wasn't any unanimity?? Good question!]

It's not that a physical fear factor pertaining to mainly Islamic terrorism hasn't long existed -- just take a look at the dispiriting security perimeter erected around the Capitol, for instance. But this Pew poll may mark the first official acknowledgement that such violence, and, equally important, the threat of such violence, actually find approval within the American polity.

Something new and barbarous under the sun, right? This is why it's all the more disturbing to review the happy headline-spin the story received. The blogger Ace of Spades provided an early roundup of the Orwellian tags, which included: "Poll: Most Muslims seek to adopt American lifestyle" (USA Today); "Muslims assimilate better in U.S. than Europe, poll finds" (New York Times); "Poll: US Muslims Feel Post-9/11 Backlash Despite Moderate Outlook" (Voice of America). My personal fave: "Upbeat portrait of US Muslims" (Sacramento Bee). The accompanying stories were no less giddy.

But why the journalistic rush to depict the shocking story as so much happy talk? Therein lies a tale, one of fanatical religious fervor-on the part of the mainstream media (MSM). Like other politically correct elites, the MSM follow their own version of the "true faith": multiculturalism.

Multiculturalism preaches that all civilizations are the same, all religions are the same, all peoples are the same. The Pew results, meanwhile, tell them something else again: Some people -- some young American Muslim people -- approve of suicide bombing in defense of Islam. Does this finding perhaps introduce a qualitative difference among civilizations, religions, and peoples? That is, is there something more desirable about societies that don't inspire and glorify suicide bombings -- something worth preserving? Conversely, is there something about Islam our own society requires protection against? This is very tricky territory for the MSM.

The logical answers are multiculturally blasphemous.


The MSM response: it's better to say nothing at all. Or better yet, just smile. Big grin. Happy story. It's one measly quarter, after all. Just one in four. And isn't that something to be upbeat about?

Told you so...

 

http://www.terrorismawareness.org/know-about-jihad/

 

Just keep in mind that when water is split into hydrogen and oxygen, the potential energy obtained by making hydrogen into a carrier [of course it is not "burned"] can be no greater than the energy input to the process [Darn that old first law of thermodynamics!]. But if you are waiting for the recipients of the dollar grants issued to study the problem to tell you it's a dead end, it'll be a long wait. Now, if some way could be found to utilize "useless" energy [in the transportation sense] such as sunlight to make the hydrogen, that would be worthwhile. That sort of breakthrough could be generations away.

 

yes, again you are missing the concept and how, after that hydrogen is split with the initial energy input, that it can indeed generate more energy than it took to split depending on how long that hygrogen is in contact with the plate...more twists of the plate, the longer it is in contact, the more energy...there are many site that explain the concept.

but even so, a conventional hydrogen engine that simply burns hydrogen and investing in better, cheaper ways to extract it is still the best idea to reach 0 emissions. Hydrogen is most powerfull energy source.

 

Told you so...

US Treasury warns Muslim investors from circumventing Sudan sanctions

May 30, 2007 (WASHINGTON) — The US department of Treasury warned today that any American citizens attempting to circumvent sanctions on Sudan face “civil and potentially criminal penalties”.



Akbar Muhammad

The US Treasury Spokesperson told Sudan Tribune that investment in Sudan by U.S. persons is prohibited “unless exempted or otherwise authorized”.

A delegation of US Muslim businessmen is currently in Khartoum to explore business opportunities in different sectors, Sudanese media reported. The visit was organized by the Sudanese investment ministry to a group of 23 American investors working in the fields of agriculture, manufacturing, dam construction, education and health.

Sources told Sudan Tribune that the delegation is led by Akbar Muhammad the international representative of the US Black Muslim movement, Nation of Islam.

 

Over the weekend, the world was reminded—again—that the way in which muslims and the Islamic world express dissatisfaction with just about anything and everything is to smash and/or kill it (per the koran).

- - When Muslims were offended by cartoons about their prophet Muhammad, they burned down portions of cities in several countries—including France, Germany and Belgium.

- - When Muslims are advised that they may not make threatening statements or engage in provocative behaviors while on commercial airplane flights, CAIR (Council on American-Islamic Relations) sues the airline and the passengers who report the incidents.

- - When threatened by pork, American-Somali Muslims threaten lawsuits against those who had the temerity to display the offending food product.

- - Now, 4 Muslims—and at least one a US citizen—from Guyana and Trinidad have declared Islamic jihad on the United States.

This comes on the heels of the Pew Poll results that showed 26% of American Muslims between the ages of 18 and 29 believe homicide bombings in the US are “okay.”

This is what these animals are being raised to believe!

In the US, whenever those of “Muslim persuasion” even hint that they are upset by something—or anything at all—they are accommodated by the PC-appeaser crowd like many here at CT.

Muslim foot washing basins and prayer rooms have been installed in airports and schools—paid for by public tax dollars.

Increasingly, Muslims are being placed above non-Muslims—to the point of overt discrimination in favor of Muslims and against all other religions. And, this patently biased behavior is being allowed and even applauded.

So, is it any wonder that Muslim-youths are being raised to accept and then demand their perceived innate superior-to-all-others inheritance?

Our “leaders” own conciliatory attitudes toward and for Muslims only feeds into this growing belief.

And many don't think this religion is whacked??

Told you so...

 

A local radio station guy pointed these and a few other things out on the raido the other day too...

Why is it that its OK to say or do whatever you want to dog or down Christianity, but you can't say anything about Muslims...

Why are there not allowed to be Crosses or things depicting Christianity on public property, but you can have Muslim foot baths that taxes paid for????

Why???

 

Actually you can "dog down" Muslims ( I think you mean Islam) all you want. We have freedom of speech and we can say whatever we want to say as long as it isn't a hate crime against any group including Muslims. Not really an issue when you parse out what he is saying.

Islamic symbols are not allowed on public property either, nor any religious symbols for that matter. I don't know how much or if some Muslim foot baths are being financed by my tax dollars but I do know that Pat Robertson's organization has raked in millions in government funds under the guise of faith-based charities and our tax dollars have clearly gone to support Evangelical programs that push their version of God on pregnant teenagers, drug addicts, and the poor. I don't know what what a foot baths cost to build but I bet it isn't millions.

 

apparently Moron thinks that if it's cheap, it 's alright to use public funds to purchase.

 

I think his point was that its NOTHING compared to the government money that has gone to Christian related things.

 

Adam, he just throws stink bombs at every post to try and stir up as much crap as possible. Hense his name, OLDDUNG! Nothing to contribute but crap and always has to have the last word. Sad personality flaw but he'll die soon.

 

Exclusive: Islamic Suicide Bomb Teams Sent to U.S., Europe

June 18, 2007 4:45 PM - Brian Ross Reports:

Large teams of newly trained suicide bombers are being sent to the United States and Europe, according to evidence contained on a new videotape obtained by the Blotter on ABCNews.com.

Teams assigned to carry out attacks in the United States, Canada, Great Britain and Germany were introduced at an al Qaeda/Taliban training camp graduation ceremony held June 9.

A Pakistani journalist was invited to attend and take pictures as some 300 recruits, including boys as young as 12, were supposedly sent off on their suicide missions.

The tape shows Taliban military commander Mansoor Dadullah, whose brother was killed by the U.S. last month, introducing and congratulating each team as they stood.

"These Americans, Canadians, British and Germans come here to Afghanistan from faraway places," Dadullah says on the tape. "Why shouldn't we go after them?"

The leader of the team assigned to attack Great Britain spoke in English.

"So let me say something about why we are going, along with my team, for a suicide attack in Britain," he said. "Whether my colleagues, companions and Muslim brothers die today or tonight, every drop of our blood will invigorate the Muslim (unintelligible)."

Read more here:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/06/exclusive_suici.html

 

And thanks to Bush's refusal to secure the border even though he was instructed to by Congress and has the funding, they can walk right in.

 

Agree...it is another reason why so many conservatives like myself have lost our patience with his policies...

 

Monday, June 18, 2007

The ACLU Has Found a Religion It Will Defend

The American Civil Liberties Union has given their blessing to the public funding of Islamic footbaths at the University of Michigan, to let Muslims wash their feet before prayers.

The ACLU says it has nothing to do with religion.

This pleases CAIR greatly, because now the Islamic community won’t have to pay for them: Muslims won’t fund footbaths. And also because it’s another small step toward shari’a.

Notice how the Detroit News continues to quote CAIR representatives without mentioning that the group has been named an unindicted co-conspirator in the Hamas funding trial of the Holy Land Foundation:

DEARBORN — Muslim leaders in Metro Detroit have decided not to raise private money to pay for two footbaths at a local college campus now that the American Civil Liberties Union has said the plan doesn’t pose constitutional problems.

The University of Michigan-Dearborn’s plan to spend $25,000 on the footbaths was criticized on conservative blogs and radio shows this month. Critics said using public money for the project would violate the First Amendment, which says governments can’t favor or subsidize religions.

Muslims are required to wash body parts, including feet, up to five times daily before prayers. University officials say the floor-level wash basins are needed because some students at the 8,600-student campus wash their feet in the sinks.

Dawud Walid, executive director of the Michigan chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), said his group was concerned a public outcry would cause the university to back down from the project.

“If the ACLU had decided to take legal action against the UM-Dearborn, we probably would have called for the university to raise the funds privately, just so that the UM-Dearborn wouldn’t have to go through the trouble of having to defend its position against the ACLU,” Walid said.

Kary Moss, director of the Detroit branch of the ACLU, said its review concluded the plan is a “reasonable accommodation” to resolve “safety and cleanliness issues” that arose when Muslims used public sinks for foot cleaning before prayers, which often spilled water on bathroom floors.

“We view it as an attempt to deal with a problem, not an attempt to make it easier for Muslims to pray,” said Moss, who likened the plan to paying for added police during religious events with huge turnouts. “There’s no intent to promote religion.”

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Told you so!

 

Do the stinkng muslims think they have the market cornered on suicide attacks?

 

Chuckle, I remember back in 1993 while at Riyadh I mistakenly went into the Mosque "ahem, footwashing room" thinking it was a restroom. That footbath thing looks just like a certain plumbing device found in most mens rooms at Country & Western Bars. You know the one used after having too much beer to drink...

Anyway, away I went... I discovered later my error.

 

I hate somebody that says " I told you so".