Told you so...

You have to remember, and history is clear on this...the infidel (that's mainly western civilizations) response to muslim aggressions have been defensive in nature.

The west have simply reacted to this madness resulting from islamic doctrine and mandates...which is that infidels must either convert, pay a poll tax (called "Jizya" in arabic) or die. There is NO middle ground.

Until muslims PUBLICALLY recognize and state the importance of individual freedoms and liberties through the seperation of church and state as the guarantee of such liberties...there will be no meeting of the minds with "true" muslims.

Remember...freedom, democracy and islam do not mix. Never has, never will. Just look at countries where islam is the main religion of the land.

Christians, Jews and other major religions do recognize other religions...whereas "true" muslims are simply living the life and deeds of their terrorist/pedophile prophet who mandated infidels wither pay up, convert or die.

Just remember...evil wins when good does nothing.

 

Which will never happen "muslims PUBLICALLY recognize and state the importance of indivudual freedoms etc......"

Seriously Midas - do YOU see that happening?
Like it would happen overnight and considering the way things are we should just wait?

Hence my genocide statements. You're sounding an alarm and waiting for a public announcement at the same time. An announcement you KNOW will not come.

 

Congratulations on another dumb posting.

 

Drusus I have noticed your postings and in them you poke fun at christian demonations with that I am to smart for religion tone yet you never say anything bad about Islam and if someone says anything about Islam you jump to defend it and then attack that person, well that says who you really are.

 

You are far too clever for me columbo!! But you are also right, like I said in the other thread:

I found myself trying to make a point by comparison and even belittling a faith in doing so (albeit not quite as obsessively and bombastically, and it says a lot about you that you agree with him BTW). Now of course I never said all Christians are animals, I have never said they should all be killed, I have never said they shoulder the blame for all that Christians have done wrong in this world regardless of what they have actually done...but I was trying to make a point at the expense of another religion. True or false, I did not have to do that as I think the point I was making was quite clear without that.

I have nothing against any religion as long as it doesn't effect me be it Christian, Muslims Jews, or scientologists...whatever.

Probably the reason why I find myself defending Muslims is because the situation in which I live brings me in contact with many good people that happen to be Muslims, many I care greatly for and have for a very long time. To hear such hate spewed in their direction is disturbing to say the least as he is calling my wife and child animals. I can honestly say I am not Muslim or any other religion, nor do I hate any of those religions. I have had some unpleasant experiences with Christians as the area I lived in east Texas is very much populated with Evangelical Christians who did not take kindly to my beliefs, going as far as being fired for them (never discuss religion with people who have your job and fate in their hands)....but that was long ago.

Probably the reason why you dont see me defending Christians is this forum is filled with them and there is nobody here calling them sub-human.

So I dont know exactly what you think I REALLY am, but I have a feeling you are probably off base

 

The other day I received a private message from a friend stating my statements could be considered "hate" speach.

I asked him to define "hate speach" and he forward me the 'legal" definition which consisted of:

--Drawing a distinction between one’s own identity group and those outside it.
--Moral comparison based on this distinction
--Devaluation or dehumanization of other groups and the insistence of personal superiority
--The advocating of different standards of treatment based on identity group membership
--A call to violence against members of other groups

Interesting I thought...my friend just layed out a perfect case to bring muslims who follow the koran to justice!!

The koran qualifies as hate speech on each count (despite the best intentions of many muslim apologists). Remember...these animals follow these koranic commands as mohammad (pedophile terrorist) intended.



Try to prove me wrong...

 

This "law" your friend quoted. Does it apply to Canada, Brazil, Australia, Netherlands, Belgium and the list goes on and on.

If it did what would be the new world order?

Should we rewrite the Constitution under Christian prinicples where everyone is allowed to live in peace?
Which flavor of Christianity would it be. Catholic, Lutheran, Southern Baptist, Methodist, Amish and the list goes on and on.

Yeah, get rid of those "animals" so Christians can fight to the death.

BTW I think other "Christian" countries might have their own ideas as well.

 

There is a religous war being fought for the last 1000 years of so. The near east, middle east whatever you want to call that part of Asia used to be filled with Christians and Christian nations. What happened to them all. History and current events tells us but the history books are slowly being rewritten and the news media is reporting things the way the large stock holders who are the controling principals in the companies are dictating at the chairman of the board meetings. Hire those who will preach our line, censor those who do not and fire anyone who crosses the line we set. Look up who owns the majority of stock shares in all that I talk about and you will see it for yourself.

 

Andy could you tell us the names of all these christian nations in the mid east? I can name two, the Lebanon and the Byzantine empire (and that was not the whole empire)

 

Speaking of Lebanon...it is coming up on 25 years since muslim animals drove their Mercedes-Benz truck of 12,000 lbs of TNT into our peace-keeping U.S. Marines' barracks...killing 241 U.S. service members, including 220 Marines - the Corps bloodiest day since Iwo Jima.

Muslim animals still celebrate this day where they reaffirmed that dying for their allah was not only a direct path to paradise and 72 virgins, but they understood that many Americans don't have the stomach to fight and kill these "true" muslims.

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Move ahead 25 years and USA Today, today, reports how muslims living here in the United States are SUING their employers for not granting them enough prayer time so they can bang their heads facing Mecca.

Instead of adapting to life in the United States, they are trying to force their religion and SUE their way behind B.S. claims of religious discrimmination!!

It's in today's USA Today...look it up!

But there is GOOD NEWS...

USA Today reports that we killed a senior muslim animal (2nd in command for al-Qaeda in Iraq) during a October 5th raid!!

Remember...you can't talk with those that follow islam as their terrorist/pedophile prophet founded...for a 1,000 years you couldn't for another 1,000 years these people will not rest until they drag everybody back to the 7th century.

Told you so!

 

There were plenty of Christian kingdoms set up by second and third sons of European crusaders all the way to north Africa where they gave Arabs the boot who had given the Berbers the boot. none lasted more than 100 years I think as they were completely dependent on the flood of crusader support and were rather isolated.

The funniest thing about the crusades is that they were crusading in answer to the Byzantine Eastern Orthodox Church call for help against Arab expansion. Now not only did the western and eastern churches hate each other up to that point...but at one point, the constant stream of crusaders demanding the Empire support them while they were camped outside the city for year after year after year (looting town and what not to get what they needed) caused the Byzantines to ask them to leave.

The response was a crusader rape of all the surrounding areas and then they finally took, defiled, and looted Constantinople and put a crusader king, Count Baldwin of Flanders (again, a western son of royalty), on the throne in early 1200. It lasted for a few decades until they were defeated by Bulgarians and it was restored to Byzantine rule though much of Constantinople's riches had been taken. So they came to help Byzantium and ended up fighting and conquering them.

Speros Vryonis in Byzantium and Europe gives a vivid account of the sack of Constantinople by the Frankish and Venetian Crusaders:

The Latin soldiery subjected the greatest city in Europe to an indescribable sack. For three days they murdered, raped, looted and destroyed on a scale which even the ancient Vandals and Goths would have found unbelievable. Constantinople had become a veritable museum of ancient and Byzantine art, an emporium of such incredible wealth that the Latins were astounded at the riches they found. Though the Venetians had an appreciation for the art which they discovered (they were themselves semi-Byzantines) and saved much of it, the French and others destroyed indiscriminately, halting to refresh themselves with wine, violation of nuns, and murder of Orthodox clerics. The Crusaders vented their hatred for the Greeks most spectacularly in the desecration of the greatest Church in Christendom. They smashed the silver iconostasis, the icons and the holy books of Hagia Sophia, and seated upon the patriarchal throne a ***** who sang coarse songs as they drank wine from the Church's holy vessels. The estrangement of East and West, which had proceeded over the centuries, culminated in the horrible massacre that accompanied the conquest of Constantinople. The Greeks were convinced that even the Turks, had they taken the city, would not have been as cruel as the Latin Christians. The defeat of Byzantium, already in a state of decline, accelerated political degeneration so that the Byzantines eventually became an easy prey to the Turks. The Crusading movement thus resulted, ultimately, in the victory of Islam, a result which was of course the exact opposite of its original intention.
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the funny thing about it is, the Byzantine Empire was later being dismantled by the Ottoman Turks, the Western Christians were going to Crusade again but Byzantium refused the help (remembering the debacle of the last help they got) and fell to the Turks instead.

Crusades were an interesting time in history...I have been reading a lot of source material written by the Byzantines regarding the crusades (one side of the story I know) and have been reading some compiled texts talking about what went on...I know this has little to do with the topic but I felt it was more interesting than Midas...telling us so...

 

Told you so!



This blind Australian is often denied taxi service by muslim drivers who consider his guide dog forbiden.

Remember...mohammad (a documented pedophile terrorist) was afraid of dogs (boo hoo) and once ordered them all slaughtered. So even today...those that practice this sick religion hate dogs too...along with all infidels.

The above link is to U.S.C.'s (not your typical "neo-whatever group" as muslim apologist would suggest) website regarding what the koran and other muslim's texts are all about.

Once you read the koran, you will then understand the what drives these people to be a cancer on our freedom and liberties.

One or two misguided muslims?? Oh Please!!!

 

I agree these were taken from muslim rulers in a war of conquest then retaken by the muslims

Here is a little map from 1140 hardly shows the mid east as a christian playground

 

I wish that map was a bit bigger, is that a map of christian kingdoms in the near/middle east and north africa at the time?

 

Since you are talking about the Crusades...let's not get politically incorrect. Look at the history...

The Crusades to the east were in every way defensive wars. They were a direct response to muslim aggression (there's a shock). The Crusades were an attempt to turn back and defend against muslim conquests, aggression, and terrrorism of Christian lands.

Muslims back then and no differantly today were gunning for Christians, Jews, Hindu's and anybpody who didn't surrender to this terrible religion. Remember, islam was born in war and grew the same way. It has not changed. We didn't have to worry so much about these animals back then when they were using swords, but today, their oil resources are buying better weapons to kill those that don't believe in their nonsense.

From the time of the terrorist/pedophile mohammed, the means of muslim expansion was always the sword...the very reason you see mohammad's sword in most muslim countries' flags today.

When mohammed was waging war against Mecca in the seventh century, Christianity was the dominant religion of power and wealth. As the faith of the Roman Empire, it spanned the entire Mediterranean, including the Middle East, where it was born. The Christian world, therefore, was a prime target for the earliest caliphs, and it would remain so for muslim terrorists for the next thousand years.

After mohammad died, his terrorist warriors of islam struck out against the Christians. The muslim animals were successful. Palestine, Syria, and Egypt—once the most heavily Christian areas in the world—quickly succumbed. By the eighth century, muslim armies had conquered all of Christian North Africa and Spain. In the eleventh century, the Turks conquered Asia Minor (modern Turkey), which had been Christian since the time of St. Paul. The old Roman Empire, (known to modern historians as the Byzantine Empire), was reduced to little more than Greece.

In desperation, the emperor in Constantinople sent word to the Christians of western Europe asking them to aid their brothers and sisters in the East.

That is what gave birth to the Crusades.

They were not the brainchild of an ambitious pope or rapacious knights but a response to more than four centuries of conquests in which muslims had already captured two-thirds of the old Christian world.

At some point, Christianity as a faith and a culture had to defend itself or be subsumed by Islam. The Crusades were that defense.

...and we have been fighting muslim animals ever since!

 

Midas, how can you have such tunnel vision? I minored in European history and in no way were muslims encroaching upon western culture's way of life. Christian fanatics like Charlamagne started the crusades. And lets not forget what Catholics did to Jews during the middle ages. And please tell me for the love of mike, what is the Pew reasearch? Thats where you got the story that started this thread. What is that exactly.

 

You can revise history to fit your hatred for Muslims (and again, not saying they were innocent, without doubt they were hitting the Byzantines hard), but I think the sack and capture of Constantinople and the looting of Byzantine towns and cities by crusaders, the early holocaust of the Jews by crusaders who saw them as 'Christ killers living among us', reveal the motive behind the willingness of the western church to rush to the aid of the eastern church whom they despised and fought against in the past and would normally welcome their downfall...and in fact...Crusaders sacked Constantinople long before it fell to the Muslims.

 

The Pew Research is a world renown research center...not a conservative advocate by any means. Pew is quoted in all news publications from USA Today to the NY Times. Google them and see for yourself.

They found 1 in 4 muslims living HERE in the United States support islamic suicide bombers!!

I would LOVE to take each one of these muslim animals and slap them silly...asking them, "So you really want to see alhah?"!!

http://pewresearch.org/

The news reported it here: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,274934,00.html along with MANY other media outlets

As for your second point, Are you serious? I know most text books in schools and universities are so PC, but are you really serious?

Islam has been an offensive religion since its inception.

Let us review some of the muslim conquests. In 624, the terrorist mohammed led a raid for booty and plunder against a Meccan caravan, killing 70 Meccans for mere material gain. Between 630 A.D. and the death of Mohammed in 632 A.D., Muslims -- on at least one occasion led by mohammed -- had conquered the bulk of western Arabia and southern Palestine through approximately a dozen separate invasions and bloody conquests. These conquests were in large part "Holy wars," putting the lie to most muslim apologists that proclaimed the Crusades "The First Holy War," as if the Christians had invented the concept of a holy war. Oh please!

After the terrorist mohammed's death in 632, the new muslim animal caliph, Abu Bakr, launched islam into over 1,400 years of continual imperialist, colonialist, bloody conquest and subjugation of others through invasion and war, a role islam continues to this very day!

Anyone denying them is a victim of PC thinking, ignorant of history, or they are simply lying to protect islam.

The muslim wars of conquest and subugation have been launched for over 1,400 years. The lust for muslim imperialist conquest has stretched from southern France to the Philippines, from Austria to Nigeria, and from central Asia to New Guinea. These facts CANNOT be ignored.

The muslim goal was to have a central government, first at Damascus, and then at Baghdad -- later at Cairo, Istanbul, or other imperial centers. The local governors, judges, and other rulers were appointed by the central imperial authorities for far off colonies. Islamic law was introduced as the senior and only law, whether or not wanted by the local people. Remember, it is islamic law first and only!

Arabic was introduced as the rulers' language, and the local language frequently disappeared. Two classes of residents were established. The native residents paid a tax (Jizya per the koran) whereas these muslim colonialist rulers did not have to pay.

Although the law differed in different places, the following are examples of colonialist laws to which colonized Christians and Jews were made subject to over the years:

Christians and Jews could not bear arms -- Muslims could;
Christians and Jews could not ride horses -- Muslims could;
Christians and Jews had to get permission to build -- Muslims did not;
Christians and Jews had to pay certain taxes which Muslims did not;
Christians could not proselytize -- Muslims could;
Christians and Jews had to bow to their Muslim masters when they paid their taxes; and
Christians and Jews had to live under the law set forth in the Koran, not under either their own religious or secular law.

In each case, these laws allowed the local conquered people less freedom than was allowed the conquering colonialist rulers. Even non-arab muslim inhabitants of the conquered lands became second class citizens behind the ruling ISLAMIC ruleers

Look at 1,400 years of muslim imperialistic, colonialist, bloody conquest and subjugation of others through invasion and war to the east of Arabia in Iraq, Persia, and much further eastward, which continues to this day.

In any event, because it was the closest geographically, Palestine was the first Western non-Arab area invaded in the muslim imperialist, colonialist, bloody conquest and subjugation of others. At the time, Palestine was under the rule of the so-called Eastern Roman Empire, ruled from Istanbul by Greek speaking people, and was Eastern Orthodox Catholic. The Eastern Orthodox rule was despotic and the Eastern Roman Empire was in serious decline. The Eastern Orthodox rulers were despots, and in Palestine had subjugated the large population of local Jews and Monophysite Christians. Because the Orthodox were imperialist, colonialist, and bloody, and majored in religious persecution to boot, the muslim imperialist, colonialist, bloody conquest and subjugation of Palestine, and then Egypt, was made easier. Because of Orthodox weakness and the relative speed of the conquest of Palestine and Israel, I have often seen and read this Muslim, imperialist, colonialist bloody conquest described by Muslim and PC writers as "peaceful" or "bloodless." This statement is simply not true.

The muslim conquest of (Christian) North Africa went relatively easily until the native peoples of North Africa (most importantly the Berbers) were encountered west of Egypt. The North African people fought so strongly against the muslims that the muslim imperialist, colonialist, bloody conquest in the west was brought to an almost complete stop between Tripoli and Carthage for more than a quarter century. The muslims broke through in a series of bloody battles followed by bloody (revenge) massacres of the muslim's (largely Christian) opponents. This muslim imperialist, colonialist, bloody conquest continued through North Africa and through what is now Spain, Portugal, and southern France, until they were stopped at the battle of Poiters (hardly bloodless) in the middle of France.

I could show that "true" muslims, in their western imperialist, colonialist, bloody conquests, killed two to three times as many Christians as the Christians killed Muslims in all of the Crusades combined!!

To beat the dog (since mohammad hated dogs) one more time, you may have noted that I stated above that the muslim cancer has continued until the present. Muslim imperialism has continued without any let-up from ten years before Mohammed's death until today.

Consider MORE facts:

- - Ottoman invasion of Christian Eastern Europe in which the Ottoman Empire invaded the west and conquered and colonized Greece, all of the Balkans, Romania, Bessarabia, and Hungary, and was stopped only at the outskirts of Vienna in 1529. Consider also the Muhgal conquest of Northern India in the early 1600s.

But today? Of course! In the last (20th) century alone:

1. Muslim Turkey has expelled approximately 1,500,000 Greeks from its empire in the east and replaced them with Turks. They have massacred approximately 2 million Armenians and replaced them with Turks in the west.

2. Muslim Turkey has invaded and occupied northern Cyprus, displacing the Greeks living there.

3. Muslim northern Sudan has conquered much of southern Sudan, literally enslaving its Christian and pagan population.

4. Indonesian imperialism has occupied all of non-Islamic western New Guinea and incorporated into Indonesia.

5. Muslim Indonesia has invaded and conquered Christian East Timor with horrible loss of life.

6. This very day, muslim Indonesia is attempting to destroy Christianity in what used to be called the Celebes.

7. A half-dozen Arab countries have fought two to four wars (depending how you count) in an attempt to destroy Israel and occupy its territory, and is currently continuing the attempt this very day with the publicly voted consent of 55 of the world's 57 Islamic nations.

8. For no good reason, Muslim Libya has blown up western aircraft, killing many civilians.

9. Muslim Iraq, in an imperialist war of aggression, invaded and occupied Muslim Kuwait...since they were "not as muslim" as muslim Iraq

10. Muslim Iraq, in an imperialist act of aggression, invaded Muslim Iran with a resulting (some estimates say) death of 2 million people.

11. Muslim Albania attempted to enlarge its borders at Christian Macedonia's expense.

12. Muslim Northern Nigeria has been (and is currently) an aggressor against the Christian south.

13. Muslims expelled approximately 800,000 Jews from their homelands between 1947 and 1955.

14. During Jordan's occupation of the West Bank, the kingdom undertook an unsuccessful attempt to make Jerusalem a Muslim city by forcing out approximately 10,000 Christian inhabitants.

and on, and on...Told you so!

 

It is taken from a family name. It is not a church pew. lol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pew_Research_Center

A think tank, media monitor, etc.

 

Didnt all conquerers make the enslaved bow to thier rule?