The Whisper of Ignorance

So...what did she say that anyone takes exception with? ...or is it that her presence legitimizes people you feel should be marginalized? I can't talk to the other speakers because 1) I have no idea who they are, and 2) none of the comments are in context. Let's make an attempt to understand their perspective before dismissing them out-of-hand.

I'm not defending these people because I don't know who they are or what they represent. No one's reporting that. This looks more like people being manipulated by "White Guilt".

 

I mean... Do you not? I'm totally comfortable marginalizing Nazis and white supremacists.

 

I have ZERO problem with any label you wish to attach to anyone...as long as they don't violate the Constitution. I want to hear ALL opinions. I listen to you, don't I? It's clear that the my definition of a White Supremacist is FAR different than that of the Alt-Left. The Alt-Left defines "White Supremacist" as any person of European decent. That's just NUTS!

As I mentioned somewhere else...Truth Modelling only works when you process ALL the available information...not just the pieces that make one Truth Model converge and all the rest diverge. Discovering the Truth requires a minimum level of personal integrity. If you lie to yourself, you're only obscuring the Truth.

Ultimately, it's nature that defines reality...not "The Young Turks".

 

Nah, the whole world went to war over this about 80 years ago. It's settled, you actually don't have to listen to Nazis anymore.

 

You haven't been paying attention...I don't support Socialism of any strip. America would be a much healthier, more prosperous nation if we leave welfare to the private sector and cut government by 90%. Of the 10% that's left...hire some Professional diplomats FCOL!

 

Well I don't know your definition of white supremacist or Nazi, but it's pretty bad that the organizer who introduced her and spoke before her with some of the following gems:

“Take a look at everything we’ve put together,” he said. “You want to know the secret? To borrow a phrase from a friend of mine, our secret sauce here, it’s these young, white men. That’s what we call the secret ingredient. America and the world has forgotten about them, but not us.”

He added: “They say about America, they say ‘diversity is our strength,’ you know. And I look at China, and I look at Russia. Can we give a round of applause for Russia?” The crowd cheered and chanted “Putin.”

"They say that Putin is like Hitler, and they say that’s not a good thing"

Nick Fuentes praised "czar Putin" for the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, which he claimed was "to liberate Ukraine from the Great Satan and from the evil empire in the world, which is the United States."

 

As I said before, I need to hear those words in context of the greater subject. I have no idea why they would praise Russia and Putin without understanding their motivations. It seems (to me) that our State Department has adopted a Passive-Aggressive foreign policy of goading our adversaries into committing atrocities, then using the UN/NATO as a cudgel to crush them (e.g. Iraq, Libya, and now Russia).

I fear that our own State Department is purposefully instigating these atrocities...in the name of "Freedom". We have to be honest with ourselves. Are we doing the right thing? If that's what these folks are protesting...then color me a "White Supremacist Nazi". As long as I know I'm doing the right thing, you can call me "Late for Dinner"...I don't care.

 

What context could you possibly need for comparing Putin to Hitler, as a positive thing?

 

I just need the context, then I'll decide. Everyone labeled the people defending our Confederate monuments as "White Supremacists"...that's just crazy! This is the same type of Marxist aggression Americans just won't stand for. We have Democratic forums for such debates. If the Left can't/won't follow the Constitution, then they should be invited to leave.

Who is this group? Do they have a website that outlines their views and agenda? I need to see that and complete videos of they gatherings to form an opinion. Post something useful for a change! If it's as you say, I will gladly acknowledge it...but neither you nor @JoeNation have a strong track record of integrity and truthfulness.

Btw, President Trump is speaking on Fox Business at 11:30. You should listen to what he has to say.

 

Sorry, your one and only new source refuses to cover such things much like Russian owned state media refuses to cover anything that puts them in a bad light. You are as brainwashed as they come. You refuse to acknowledge anything that isn't sanctioned by the Right-wing echo chamber. How could anyone ever take you seriously...Seriously?

 

Not everyone is a white supremacist or a Nazi. Some people are just sympathetic to their ideals. Maybe that is all you are. Unable to muster the courage of your distorted convictions but cheering on those you see standing up and saying what you can't say out loud.

Just own it.

 

Ok...please allow me to demonstrate Truth Modeling. I know nothing about Nick Fuentes or AFPAC so this is a good exercise for both of us. Let's begin with the low-hanging fruit...the Left of Center view.

America First Political Action Conference
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

America First Political Action Conference

AFPAC III logo
Dates February (dates vary)
Frequency Annual
Location(s)

• Washington, D.C., U.S (2020)
• Orlando, Florida, U.S. (2021 and 2022)

Years active 2020–present
Inaugurated February 28, 2020; 2 years ago
Founders Nick Fuentes[1]
Most recent February 25, 2022
Organized by America First Foundation
Website Official website
The America First Political Action Conference (AFPAC; /æfpæk/ AF-pak) is an annual white nationalist and far-right political conference. Many attendees are members of the "America First" movement and supporters of Nick Fuentes, also known as Groypers. The conference was described by The Daily Dot as a "white nationalist alternative" to CPAC, the Conservative Political Action Conference. The Arizona Republic and Rolling Stone have characterized it as an extremist rival of CPAC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_First_Political_Action_Conference
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Nick Fuentes
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nick Fuentes
Born
Nicholas Joseph Fuentes
Chicago, Illinois, U.S.[1]
Occupation

• Political commentator
• streamer

Years active 2015–present
Known for

• Political commentary
• Founder of the Groypers

Movement

• Far-right politics
• White nationalism
• American nationalism
• Christian conservatism
• Paleoconservatism

Nicholas Joseph Fuentes is an American far-right and white nationalist political commentator and live streamer. The Anti-Defamation League has described Fuentes as a white supremacist. A former YouTuber, his channel was permanently suspended in February 2020 for violating YouTube's hate speech policy. Fuentes has described himself as an American nationalist, Christian conservative, and paleoconservative. He has expressed antisemitic views and Holocaust denial and is opposed to women's right to vote.

Fuentes has feuded with Turning Point USA and its founder, Charlie Kirk, for supporting views that Fuentes believes to be insufficiently conservative. On October 29, 2019, Fuentes' followers, known as Groypers, began to heckle Turning Point's Culture War Tour, including a speaking event for Donald Trump Jr. In 2020, seeking to rival CPAC, Fuentes began holding the annual America First Political Action Conference (AFPAC).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Fuentes
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Groypers
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

GroypersFor the cartoon after which the group is named, see Pepe the Frog § Groyper.

"Groyper" meme, the namesake of the group

Key figures
Nick Fuentes
Jaden McNeil
Michelle Malkin
Ideology

• American nationalism
• Antisemitism
• Antizionism
• Christian right
• Paleoconservatism
• White nationalism

Groypers, sometimes called the Groyper Army, are a group of white nationalist and far-right activists, provocateurs, and internet trolls who are notable for their attempts to introduce far-right politics into mainstream conservatism in the United States, their participation in the 2021 United States Capitol attack and the protests leading up to that, and their extremist views. They are known for targeting other conservative groups and individuals whose agendas they view as too moderate and insufficiently nationalist. The Groyper movement has been described as white nationalist, homophobic, nativist, fascist, sexist, antisemitic, and an attempt to rebrand the alt-right movement.

While Groypers are a loosely defined group with no formal leadership structure, they are generally considered to be followers of Nick Fuentes, a white nationalist, far-right political commentator, and podcaster. Michelle Malkin, a conservative blogger and political commentator, has referred to herself as the "mommy" of the Groyper movement.

In February 2021, the Groyper movement splintered between Nick Fuentes and Patrick Casey over fears of infiltration by federal informants and doxing at the 2021 America First Political Action Conference, held by Fuentes. Jaden McNeil of America First Students joined in support of Fuentes' conference and accused Casey of disloyalty to Fuentes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groypers

 

Do you agree that the Wikipedia entries above are an accurate representation (in your view) of Nick Fuentes and AFPAC? Please add more if I missed anything. Then we can begin a Deep Dive into competing points of view. That's how Truth Modeling works.

Here's another piece of the puzzle...

 

So, you're saying that you buy into the crap this white nationalist is selling?

 

Now let's hear what Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene has to say...in her own words...

 

I don't know yet...I'm forming an opinion. The 1st step is "listening".

So far, I hear nothing from MTG I disagree with. In fact, I agree with every thing she says in this video! What "specifically" in this interview do you disagree with?

@GeneWright ...how about you?

 

Let's listen to another "White Supremacist"...



I'm not seeing a lotta convergence so far with the "Nazi/White Supremacist" narrative. If fact, so far, I'm not hearing ANYTHING I disagree with. Please point out the "White Supremacy" in this man's comments.

The only "White Supremacy" I see so far are Alt-Left mischaracterizations.

 

Now let's hear from Michelle Malkin. From the title, it sounds like she got banned by AirBnB for this speech. I just started it and am listening to it for the 1st time now...



I expected her to be a more dynamic speaker. Still, all I hear is her calling out Alt-Left Fascism. Is this what you call "White Supremacy"?

 

Let’s look at what Wikipedia says about MTG:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marjorie_Taylor_Greene
Compare this to their descriptions of Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib. Notice there is no labeling of these individuals as anti Semitic.

 

I agree 100 percent. He has surprised a lot of people, by his inspirational leadership. Vlad "the mad bomber" Putin must certainly be in shock.
On the otherhand, it not a good thing, when a ex con like Stalin takes power, or an ex KGB thug become leader. Sadly Russia has had both examples