The "religion of peace"...you think??

Hey Danr...liberals like you are always crying that you too, are "oppressed".

Consequently, your solution is for MORE income tax redistribution to pay for failing programs that address your ideas of oppression. I guess it is not working in the political arena, so why don't you take a page out from your beloved islamic-oppressed-terrorist-Koran playbook and act like these pig-soaked animals!!


You could be singing, "No justice, no peace" and your islamic terrorist buddies will be dying for allah.

Better line up all of those virgins...

 

Quick question for you all, why did the palastinians leave Palastine in the 1st place? a small clue the answer is not due to Israile

De Orc

 

I like the shock value pictures you always post Midas. Kids with AK-47's, rocket launchers, masked men with assault rifles, etc. It really makes you realized just how violent these folks are in their heart of hearts.
Something else I can't help noticing is that all the weapons they are sporting are either manufactured by the U.S., the U.K., Russia, France, or China. You notice that there are no Middle Eastern countries on that list. You'd think that as naturally violent as these folk are, they'd have their own weapons instead of using ours. I can't help but think maybe we are in some small way responsible for arming these folks to the teeth. But that would be silly wouldn't it? It isn't our fault those weapons made their way into the Middle East. If we didn't sell them the weapons, someone else would and we'd lose out on all that cash. So all in all, it's a good thing they have so much in the way of military hardware and thank you for pointing it out in all those nice photos. And isn't it ironic, that the only five permanent members of the U.N. are they U.S., U.K., Russia, France, and China. Boy, does that make us look like hypocrites when we condemn the violence in the Middle East or what? So keep those pictures coming, I love to see that good old American ingenuity in action and don’t worry about being a hypocrite, you were just born here after all.

 

Magnum Research, (Desert Eeagle, like the one used in Robo Cop) used http://remtek.com/arms/imi/ a pretty advanced Middle Eastern weapons supplier...

Bone

 

Midas take a look at that link I posted. It is to a Jewish group that acknowledges the oppression, they list some of the dozens of UN resolutions concerning Palestinian oppression.

 

Come on guy's you want to talk about the palastinians been opressed then tell me why they left palastine in the 1st place ? Any takers!!

De Orc

 

Absolutely the best question that has been ask to date. This should prove intersting!!!:whistle:

 

Because people kept spelling their homeland Pal-A-stine and it really began to p*** them off? Am I right? Did I win?

 

But no where near the big five. Not even close.

 

Nah come on Moen you can do better than that LOL

De Orc :kewl:

 

That's my theory and I'm sticking to it! Or maybe...

The Palestine problem became an international issue towards the end of the First World War with the disintegration of the Turkish Ottoman Empire. Palestine was among the several former Ottoman Arab territories which were placed under the administration of Great Britain under the Mandates System adopted by the League of Nations pursuant to the League's Covenant (Article 22) .

All but one of these Mandated Territories became fully independent States, as anticipated. The exception was Palestine where, instead of being limited to "the rendering of administrative assistance and advice" the Mandate had as a primary objective the implementation of the "Balfour Declaration" issued by the British Government in 1917, expressing support for "the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people".

During the years of the Palestine Mandate, from 1922 to 1947, large-scale Jewish immigration from abroad, mainly from Eastern Europe took place, the numbers swelling in the 1930s with the notorious Nazi persecution of Jewish populations. Palestinian demands for independence and resistance to Jewish immigration led to a rebellion in 1937, followed by continuing terrorism and violence from both sides during and immediately after World War II. Great Britain tried to implement various formulas to bring independence to a land ravaged by violence. In 1947, Great Britain in frustration turned the problem over to the United Nations.

After looking at various alternatives, the UN proposed the partitioning of Palestine into two independent States, one Palestinian Arab and the other Jewish, with Jerusalem internationalized (Resolution 181 (II) of 1947). One of the two States envisaged in the partition plan proclaimed its independence as Israel and in the 1948 war expanded to occupy 77 per cent of the territory of Palestine. Israel also occupied the larger part of Jerusalem. Over half the indigenous Palestinian population fled or were expelled. Jordan and Egypt occupied the other parts of the territory assigned by the partition resolution to the Palestinian Arab State which did not come into being.

In the 1967 war, Israel occupied the remaining territory of Palestine, until then under Jordanian and Egyptian control (the West Bank and Gaza Strip). This included the remaining part of Jerusalem, which was subsequently annexed by Israel. The war brought about a second exodus of Palestinians, estimated at half a million. Security Council resolution 242 (1967) of 22 November 1967 called on Israel to withdraw from territories it had occupied in the 1967 conflict.

In 1974, the General Assembly reaffirmed the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people to self-determination, national independence and sovereignty, and to return. The following year, the General Assembly established the Committee on the Exercise of the Inalienable Rights of the Palestinian People. The General Assembly conferred on the PLO the status of observer in the Assembly and in other international conferences held under United Nations auspices.

1977-1990
Events on the ground, however, remained on a negative course. In June 1982, Israel invaded Lebanon with the declared intention to eliminate the PLO. A cease-fire was arranged. PLO troops withdrew from Beirut and were transferred to neighboring countries after guarantees of safety were provided for thousands of Palestinian refugees left behind. Subsequently, a large-scale massacre of refugees took place in the camps of Sabra and Shatila.

In September 1983, the International Conference on the Question of Palestine, which was widely attended, adopted inter alia the Geneva Declaration containing the following principles: the need to oppose and reject the establishment of settlements in the occupied territory and actions taken by Israel to change the status of Jerusalem, the right of all States in the region to existence within secure and internationally recognized boundaries, with justice and security for all the people, and the attainment of the legitimate, inalienable rights of the Palestinian people.

In December 1987, a mass uprising against the Israeli occupation began in the occupied Palestinian territory (the intifadah). Methods used by the Israeli forces during the uprising resulted in mass injuries and heavy loss of life among the civilian Palestinian population.

A Peace Conference on the Middle East was convened in Madrid on 30 October 1991, with the aim of achieving a just, lasting and comprehensive peace settlement through direct negotiations along 2 tracks: between Israel and the Arab States, and between Israel and the Palestinians, based on Security Council resolutions 242 (1967) and 338 (1973) (the "land for peace" formula). A series of subsequent negotiations culminated in the mutual recognition between the Government of the State of Israel and the Palestine Liberation Organization, the representative of the Palestinian People, and the signing by the two parties of the Declaration of Principles on Interim Self-Government Arrangements in Washington, D.C., on 13 September 1993, as well as the subsequent implementation agreements, which led to several other positive developments, such as the partial withdrawal of Israeli forces, the elections to the Palestinian Council and the presidency of the Palestinian Authority, the partial release of prisoners and the establishment of a functioning administration in the areas under Palestinian self-rule. The involvement of the United Nations has been essential to the peace process, both as the guardian of international legitimacy and in the mobilization and provision of international assistance.

 

I believe both of your oppinions could be right. Thanks for taking the time to collect and post this second thought of your, as it make a lot more sense, out of a very confusing issue.
At this time I guess we should applaud Israel for being very efficient in getting what they want. We can now place the blame on the United Nations and Israel for the Palastinians oppression.:kewl:

 

Lets just say that if we had our hands in that pot, I can't imagine you ever admitting it. You would fight to the death against any truth that hurt your position.

 

If you wish to aportion blame for the palastinians beem opressed then place it firmly where it belongs, with the other Arab nations that invaded Israil the moment Israil declared it's Indipendence.
Local Arab leaders were orderd to tell there people to evacuate there homes and those who failed to obay were targeted for assasination, many were brutaly murderd along with there famalies as examples of what happend to any one who supported the Jews!!
Israil asked the Palastinians to remain promised to protrct them, but for the most part they fled and were placed in tempory refugee camps with the promis that the Victorious Armys would soon sweep the new Nation into the sea and they could all go home.
Unfortunatly it did not quite work out like that LOL with the excwption of the Arab Legion (Jordanian troops) the rest were heavely defeted and finaly thrown back.
Now here we have the bit that raerly gets a mention the fact that Arabs fought alongside the Isralies and still do today, yes Arabs in the IDF for those who want to check look up the name 'Druze'
So what happend to those who left? well Israil offerd them the chance to return but through fear and intimidation they remained in there camps until Jordan expelled most of them at gun point this was later followed by the same treatment in the Lebanon, they were pawns in a global game of politics.

So dont blame Israil for what became the 'plight of the Palastinians' dont blame the US or the UK blame the Arabs themselfs and one of the worst offenders was the Mufti of Jerusalem a old pal of Hitlers.

De Orc

 

Do you ever think that Danr fails to read you posts De Orc, or maybe he has pushed the "ignore" button and can't see your posts. Or maybe he is so blinded by his hatred of normal humanity that he can't see the truth, even if it jumped up and bit him in the butt. Just maybe!!

 

Funny how when one talks about the pre-modern day Israel they forget to mention or simply do not know of the jewish population that never left that part of the world nor do they mention the jewish population that had to flee arab nations or be killed during the 1940's and 50's. They never got a penny for there houses, land, or businesses. It is also funny that no one seems to look up the census reports that show a very low arab population until the British took over and then a large immergation of arabs from egypt into British controlled Palestine. Funny also that the jewish population before Israel were called Palestines. And the most funny thing of all is that no one seems to care to what happened to all the Christians that the muslim arabs killed in the middle east. They are never mentioned or thought about. Guess when the muslims finish killing off the jews, Israel will be thought of as a muslim nation and its true history like the rest will also be ignored.

 

LOL sorry must not laugh but that was funny :bow: To a degree I can understand his argument the ordinary Arab in the street is led to believe by his elders and leaders both religious and political that Israil & the US are the enemies (The Great Satan) but if you ask one of them to tell you why (and I have done just this) you can punch holes in the argument.
My own Goverment for many years has been very pro Arab and fails to see what many others see quite clearly Saudi is no friend of ours Countries like Jordan, Turkey, Egypt would love to westernise but fear the backlash from the religiouse groups, King Hussain of Jordan was extreemly brave to face the wrath of the Mullahs by expeling the Palastinian Terrorist groups from his country and comeing to terms with Israil and we all know what happend to the Egyptian Premier when he made peace

De Orc :thumb:

 

You know, just once, I wanna see the truth bite someone in the butt. I think it would be pretty funny. Kind of like those "America's Funniest Home Videos" where the guy always gets hit in the junk with a baseball... or a remote controlled plane... or a tub of peanut butter....

 

There are a great many Christian Arabs living in Israil today and more in the Lebanon. As for the attacks on Jews pre Israil these were for the most part fermented by the above mentioned Mufti of Jerusalem who fled to Berlin when things got to hot for him. As I have said my Goverment liked the Arabs, (Not enough to give them the homeland they wanted post WWI) and when we pulled out of Palastine we accidently forgot to take all our wepons with us and left stratigic forts in the hands of the Arab Legion now having said all this it was not to say all one way traffic the Brits are a strange race so we also on numerouse occasions turned the proverbial blind eye to gun running by the jewish underground.

De Orc

 

De Orc,the British-influenced Arab state that you have mentioned is the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan,whose King,Abdullah II is actually a liberal.Jordan does have a Jewish & a Christian population.Don't forget that it was General Sir John Glubb (Glubb Pasha) who was the commander of the Arab Legion.That is,until King Hussein sacked him in 1956.

Aidan.