THE Humanity! Beer Prices Going UP

"mimus" <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 04:02:08 -0600, Dennis M. Hammes wrote:
>
> > dave hillstrom wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 06:15:37 -0600, "Dennis M. Hammes"
> >> <scrawlmark@arvig.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>>dave hillstrom wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:04:48 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
> >>>>wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:54:59 -0600, TheBookman wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:07:23 -0500, dave hillstrom wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:15:36 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
> >>>>>>>wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:09:26 +0000, Aratzio wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:24:05 -0500, in
> >>>>>>>>>alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom
<DaVe@MeOw.OrG>
> >>>>>>>>>bloviated:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:22:01 GMT, Aratzio
<a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>http://www.mercurynews.com/foodheadlines/ci_8311983
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>Hop and Barley prices have increased dramatically, price for
*good*
> >>>>>>>>>>>beer is going up. Bud-water and Curs unaffected.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>good thing i brew my own fermented beverages.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>And the cost is going up, IF you can get the good hops anymore.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>You can substitute several things for hops with good results,
including
> >>>>>>>>catnip and pot.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Not to mention all the horrible other things you can wrestle into
the
> >>>>>>>>boil-bags.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>indeed. hops were not used in beer until rather recently, i
believe
> >>>>>>>between 700 AD and 1,000 AD. before that, they used all kinds of
> >>>>>>>stuff, including hot red pepper.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Unless you're referring to red peppecorns (unlikely or at least very
> >>>>>>uncommon, IMO, given the expense), red (chile) peppers cannot have
been
> >>>>>>used to flavor beer before 1492CE, since they originated from the
"New
> >>>>>>World", along with potatoes and tomatoes.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>HTH.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Didn't, like, the Toltecs or Olmecs or anyone brew beer?
> >>>>
> >>>>sure they did.
> >>>>
> >>>>everyone brewed beer of some sort.
> >>>>
> >>>>although its still somewhat up in the air about whether beer, wine, or
> >>>>mead were first on the human fermentables calendar. the probability
> >>>>is beer or mead, which ferment far faster than wine, but who knows?
> >>>>were talking like 8000 BC or more back in history.
> >>>
> >>>Right, and cereal grains date back only to 5000 BCE and the founding
> >>>of Jericho around the discovery of Emmer wheat, or 3000> BCE and rice
> >>>in the Orient.
> >>>
> >>>Honey is relatively rare (until commercial hay-fields) and incurs
> >>>some difficulty in the harvest, particulary for a people without
> >>>ready (made from scratch) fire. Honey is also self-preserving, and
> >>>will not ferment unless diluted and forced.
> >>> Berries are likely first of that group, are more common than
> >>>fruits, esp. the modern, large-pulp varieties, and several will
> >>>produce all season.
> >>> However one wonders if Adam actually ate apple or got plonked on
> >>>natural cider (cf. Frost's "The Cow in Apple-Time"), hence the
> >>>Injunction.
> >>>
> >>>However, the most-likely "first" is one of the known root-starches.
> >>>The earliest under cultivation were various water-lilies (lotus,
> >>>e.g.) in the Tigris, Nile, Indus, etc.
> >>> What makes it difficult is that written records postdate Jericho,
> >>>and that the materials of undistilled booze are ephemeral and the
> >>>tools common pots, obviating archeological evidence.
> >>
> >> making it even harder, one theory has that people travelling around
> >> even pre civilization would make containers out of skins for water.
> >> the theory says that they might even put in fruits or honey for taste,
> >> which of course would have wild yeast on it, and so by seeming magic,
> >> a skin here or there would produce an alcoholic elixer. and of course
> >> that skin would become imbued with yeast such that pretty much any
> >> water/sugar addition would do the trick! and yer just not gonna find
> >> a skin like this in the archeological record.
> >
> > Perzakly.
> > But the funny thing about statistics is this, that if a thing has
> > only a chance in a billion of happening, it's fuken well gonna happen.
>
> No no no, that's only if it's a million to one against.
>
> (The Adams-Pratchett Axiom of Improbability.)

And that's without maths!

Smee

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>
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>

 

"???hw??f" <snuhwolf@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:20080222083742.7b8ecd7a@vector...
> On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:58:55 GMT
> Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wasted precious bandwith with:
>
> > On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 04:16:46 -0600, in rec.arts.poems, "Dennis M.
> > Hammes" <scrawlmark@arvig.net> bloviated:
> >
> > >dave hillstrom wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:03:19 -0800, Aratzio
> > ><a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:18:51 -0500, in the land of
> > >>>alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom
> > ><DaVe@MeOw.OrG>>>got double secret probation for writing:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:21:23 GMT, Aratzio
> > ><a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>>>>wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:22:01 GMT, in
> > >>>>>alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, Aratzio
> > >>>>><a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> bloviated:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>http://www.mercurynews.com/foodheadlines/ci_8311983
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>Hop and Barley prices have increased dramatically, price for
> > >*good*>>>>>beer is going up. Bud-water and Curs unaffected.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Who cares about the history of beer you tards, the future of
> > >beer is>>>>EXPENSIVE! We must do something now. We must form a
> > >working group to>>>>discuss the ramificatios of the price and the
> > >negative impact by said>>>>price with respect to our daily
> > >budgets. What must we trim from our>>>>budget to insure an
> > >adequate BEER supply. Is there a Beer Futures>>>>market where we
> > >can make long term strategic buys to lock in current>>>>prices in
> > >the very changing Beer financial market. >>>>
> > >>>>>Stop discussing history, start planning the future.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>TAKE BACK OUR BEER!
> > >>>>
> > >>>>theyre selling six packs of schlitz malt liquor at the quickie
> > >mart>>>for $3.99.
> > >>>
> > >>>They still make Shitz?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> dunno, but the strohs brewery certainly makes quite a bit of
> > >malt> liquor.
> > >>
> > >
> > >Stroh's resurrects almost /any/ old logo if there's enough call
> > >through the distribs. Remember "Billy Beer"?
> > > I even see Blatz back on the shelf on occasion.
> >
> > Old Frothingschloss (sp) "The stale pale ale with the head on the
> > bottom"
> >
> > When you see Regal Crown Select in quart bottles you know you have
> > hit the mother lode of nasty beer.
> >
> Old Millwakee is pretty horrid....
>
> Moose Drool isa micro brew here that gets accolades.

I would buy a bottle of that just for the name; wouldn't actually drink any
of it, of course.

Smee

>
> --
> www.smirkingchimp.com

 

mimus wrote:

> On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 04:02:08 -0600, Dennis M. Hammes wrote:
>
>
>>dave hillstrom wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 06:15:37 -0600, "Dennis M. Hammes"
>>><scrawlmark@arvig.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>dave hillstrom wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:04:48 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:54:59 -0600, TheBookman wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:07:23 -0500, dave hillstrom wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:15:36 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:09:26 +0000, Aratzio wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:24:05 -0500, in
>>>>>>>>>>alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom <DaVe@MeOw.OrG>
>>>>>>>>>>bloviated:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:22:01 GMT, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.mercurynews.com/foodheadlines/ci_8311983
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Hop and Barley prices have increased dramatically, price for *good*
>>>>>>>>>>>>beer is going up. Bud-water and Curs unaffected.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>good thing i brew my own fermented beverages.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>And the cost is going up, IF you can get the good hops anymore.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>You can substitute several things for hops with good results, including
>>>>>>>>>catnip and pot.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Not to mention all the horrible other things you can wrestle into the
>>>>>>>>>boil-bags.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>indeed. hops were not used in beer until rather recently, i believe
>>>>>>>>between 700 AD and 1,000 AD. before that, they used all kinds of
>>>>>>>>stuff, including hot red pepper.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Unless you're referring to red peppecorns (unlikely or at least very
>>>>>>>uncommon, IMO, given the expense), red (chile) peppers cannot have been
>>>>>>>used to flavor beer before 1492CE, since they originated from the "New
>>>>>>>World", along with potatoes and tomatoes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>HTH.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Didn't, like, the Toltecs or Olmecs or anyone brew beer?
>>>>>
>>>>>sure they did.
>>>>>
>>>>>everyone brewed beer of some sort.
>>>>>
>>>>>although its still somewhat up in the air about whether beer, wine, or
>>>>>mead were first on the human fermentables calendar. the probability
>>>>>is beer or mead, which ferment far faster than wine, but who knows?
>>>>>were talking like 8000 BC or more back in history.
>>>>
>>>>Right, and cereal grains date back only to 5000 BCE and the founding
>>>>of Jericho around the discovery of Emmer wheat, or 3000> BCE and rice
>>>>in the Orient.
>>>>
>>>>Honey is relatively rare (until commercial hay-fields) and incurs
>>>>some difficulty in the harvest, particulary for a people without
>>>>ready (made from scratch) fire. Honey is also self-preserving, and
>>>>will not ferment unless diluted and forced.
>>>> Berries are likely first of that group, are more common than
>>>>fruits, esp. the modern, large-pulp varieties, and several will
>>>>produce all season.
>>>> However one wonders if Adam actually ate apple or got plonked on
>>>>natural cider (cf. Frost's "The Cow in Apple-Time"), hence the
>>>>Injunction.
>>>>
>>>>However, the most-likely "first" is one of the known root-starches.
>>>>The earliest under cultivation were various water-lilies (lotus,
>>>>e.g.) in the Tigris, Nile, Indus, etc.
>>>> What makes it difficult is that written records postdate Jericho,
>>>>and that the materials of undistilled booze are ephemeral and the
>>>>tools common pots, obviating archeological evidence.
>>>
>>>making it even harder, one theory has that people travelling around
>>>even pre civilization would make containers out of skins for water.
>>>the theory says that they might even put in fruits or honey for taste,
>>>which of course would have wild yeast on it, and so by seeming magic,
>>>a skin here or there would produce an alcoholic elixer. and of course
>>>that skin would become imbued with yeast such that pretty much any
>>>water/sugar addition would do the trick! and yer just not gonna find
>>>a skin like this in the archeological record.
>>
>>Perzakly.
>> But the funny thing about statistics is this, that if a thing has
>>only a chance in a billion of happening, it's fuken well gonna happen.
>
>
> No no no, that's only if it's a million to one against.
>
> (The Adams-Pratchett Axiom of Improbability.)
>

Douglas Adams?
(It's a real axiom, and a lot older than he.)

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Aratzio wrote:

> On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 04:16:46 -0600, in rec.arts.poems, "Dennis M.
> Hammes" <scrawlmark@arvig.net> bloviated:
>
>
>>dave hillstrom wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:03:19 -0800, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:18:51 -0500, in the land of
>>>>alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom <DaVe@MeOw.OrG>
>>>>got double secret probation for writing:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:21:23 GMT, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:22:01 GMT, in
>>>>>>alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, Aratzio
>>>>>><a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> bloviated:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>http://www.mercurynews.com/foodheadlines/ci_8311983
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hop and Barley prices have increased dramatically, price for *good*
>>>>>>>beer is going up. Bud-water and Curs unaffected.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Who cares about the history of beer you tards, the future of beer is
>>>>>>EXPENSIVE! We must do something now. We must form a working group to
>>>>>>discuss the ramificatios of the price and the negative impact by said
>>>>>>price with respect to our daily budgets. What must we trim from our
>>>>>>budget to insure an adequate BEER supply. Is there a Beer Futures
>>>>>>market where we can make long term strategic buys to lock in current
>>>>>>prices in the very changing Beer financial market.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Stop discussing history, start planning the future.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>TAKE BACK OUR BEER!
>>>>>
>>>>>theyre selling six packs of schlitz malt liquor at the quickie mart
>>>>>for $3.99.
>>>>
>>>>They still make Shitz?
>>>
>>>
>>>dunno, but the strohs brewery certainly makes quite a bit of malt
>>>liquor.
>>>
>>
>>Stroh's resurrects almost /any/ old logo if there's enough call
>>through the distribs. Remember "Billy Beer"?
>> I even see Blatz back on the shelf on occasion.
>
>
> Old Frothingschloss (sp) "The stale pale ale with the head on the
> bottom"
>
> When you see Regal Crown Select in quart bottles you know you have hit
> the mother lode of nasty beer.
>

Sri. I was actually thinking of Gluek Stite. Trouble is, I still
see each on occasion.
Worse, when I have a yen for beer (seldom, but) I get John Adams
Cream Stout, relatively new to the area and the closest thing I've
come (so far) to the German tap beers I started on.
(The few German/Danish labels are all export pilsner, not, e.g.,
the Lowenbrau, Hasenbrau, etc., they serve -- on the cheap -- in
Augsburg, Munich, etc., with the little thingies still swimming in
'em. You just can't get a true dark beer unless you start with brown
water.)

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TheBookman wrote:

> On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 08:37:42 -0800, ???hw??f wrote:
>
>
>>On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:58:55 GMT
>>Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wasted precious bandwith with:
>>
>>
>>>On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 04:16:46 -0600, in rec.arts.poems, "Dennis M.
>>>Hammes" <scrawlmark@arvig.net> bloviated:
>>>
>>>
>>>>dave hillstrom wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:03:19 -0800, Aratzio
>>>>
>>>><a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:18:51 -0500, in the land of
>>>>>>alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom
>>>>
>>>><DaVe@MeOw.OrG>>>got double secret probation for writing:
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:21:23 GMT, Aratzio
>>>>
>>>><a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:22:01 GMT, in
>>>>>>>>alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, Aratzio
>>>>>>>><a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> bloviated:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>http://www.mercurynews.com/foodheadlines/ci_8311983
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Hop and Barley prices have increased dramatically, price for
>>>>
>>>>*good*>>>>>beer is going up. Bud-water and Curs unaffected.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Who cares about the history of beer you tards, the future of
>>>>
>>>>beer is>>>>EXPENSIVE! We must do something now. We must form a
>>>>working group to>>>>discuss the ramificatios of the price and the
>>>>negative impact by said>>>>price with respect to our daily
>>>>budgets. What must we trim from our>>>>budget to insure an
>>>>adequate BEER supply. Is there a Beer Futures>>>>market where we
>>>>can make long term strategic buys to lock in current>>>>prices in
>>>>the very changing Beer financial market. >>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Stop discussing history, start planning the future.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>TAKE BACK OUR BEER!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>theyre selling six packs of schlitz malt liquor at the quickie
>>>>
>>>>mart>>>for $3.99.
>>>>
>>>>>>They still make Shitz?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>dunno, but the strohs brewery certainly makes quite a bit of
>>>>
>>>>malt> liquor.
>>>>
>>>>Stroh's resurrects almost /any/ old logo if there's enough call
>>>>through the distribs. Remember "Billy Beer"?
>>>> I even see Blatz back on the shelf on occasion.
>>>
>>>Old Frothingschloss (sp) "The stale pale ale with the head on the
>>>bottom"
>>>
>>>When you see Regal Crown Select in quart bottles you know you have
>>>hit the mother lode of nasty beer.
>>>
>>
>>Old Millwakee is pretty horrid...
>
>
> It's better than Millwaukee's Beast.
>
>
>>Moose Drool isa micro brew here that gets accolades.
>
>
> Moose Drool's a nice example of a brown ale. Maybe not world-class, but at
> least as good as, say, Frankenheim, IMO.
>
> The same brewery also makes "Slow Elk", which is a nice little oatmeal
> stout. Either one is worth a try, but beware serving them at 'normal'
> american beer temperatures, which are cold enough to suppress their
> flavors.
>
> ESL!
>

*shudder*
d00d, I don't even put my Adams in the fridge.
The floor in summer is plenty cool enough.
My neph very occasionally brings over American rice, and we put it
in the fridge precisely to kill the flavor.
Mostly we do his squiffed-in-half-a-glass wines.
(With the /good/ cigars.)

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Aratzio wrote:

> On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 04:13:58 -0600, in rec.arts.poems, "Dennis M.
> Hammes" <scrawlmark@arvig.net> bloviated:
>
>
>>Aratzio wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:18:51 -0500, in the land of
>>>alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom <DaVe@MeOw.OrG>
>>>got double secret probation for writing:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:21:23 GMT, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:22:01 GMT, in
>>>>>alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, Aratzio
>>>>><a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> bloviated:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.mercurynews.com/foodheadlines/ci_8311983
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hop and Barley prices have increased dramatically, price for *good*
>>>>>>beer is going up. Bud-water and Curs unaffected.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Who cares about the history of beer you tards, the future of beer is
>>>>>EXPENSIVE! We must do something now. We must form a working group to
>>>>>discuss the ramificatios of the price and the negative impact by said
>>>>>price with respect to our daily budgets. What must we trim from our
>>>>>budget to insure an adequate BEER supply. Is there a Beer Futures
>>>>>market where we can make long term strategic buys to lock in current
>>>>>prices in the very changing Beer financial market.
>>>>>
>>>>>Stop discussing history, start planning the future.
>>>>>
>>>>>TAKE BACK OUR BEER!
>>>>
>>>>theyre selling six packs of schlitz malt liquor at the quickie mart
>>>>for $3.99.
>>>
>>>
>>>They still make Shitz?
>>>
>>
>>"Teh Galaxy's Finest Malt Liquor!"
>
>
> ICK
>
> Next up a review of Pabst
>
> ICK
>

d00d, you're talking about /college/ beers, and those boiZ'll drink
their own piss if it smells right.

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mimus wrote:

> On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:56:54 +0000, Aratzio wrote:
>
>
>>On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 04:13:58 -0600, in rec.arts.poems, "Dennis M.
>>Hammes" <scrawlmark@arvig.net> bloviated:
>>
>>
>>>Aratzio wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:18:51 -0500, in the land of
>>>>alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom <DaVe@MeOw.OrG>
>>>>got double secret probation for writing:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:21:23 GMT, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:22:01 GMT, in
>>>>>>alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, Aratzio
>>>>>><a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> bloviated:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>http://www.mercurynews.com/foodheadlines/ci_8311983
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hop and Barley prices have increased dramatically, price for *good*
>>>>>>>beer is going up. Bud-water and Curs unaffected.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Who cares about the history of beer you tards, the future of beer is
>>>>>>EXPENSIVE! We must do something now. We must form a working group to
>>>>>>discuss the ramificatios of the price and the negative impact by said
>>>>>>price with respect to our daily budgets. What must we trim from our
>>>>>>budget to insure an adequate BEER supply. Is there a Beer Futures
>>>>>>market where we can make long term strategic buys to lock in current
>>>>>>prices in the very changing Beer financial market.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Stop discussing history, start planning the future.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>TAKE BACK OUR BEER!
>>>>>
>>>>>theyre selling six packs of schlitz malt liquor at the quickie mart
>>>>>for $3.99.
>>>>
>>>>They still make Shitz?
>>>
>>>"Teh Galaxy's Finest Malt Liquor!"
>>
>>ICK
>>
>>Next up a review of Pabst
>>
>>ICK
>
>
> Beast, man. Milwaukee's Best. By the (cheap) pitcher.
>

There's actually little better for a slow, cheap, mob drunk like a
reunion or tailgate.
(Is it my imagination, or do the kegs always seem better'n the cans?)

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On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 03:24:42 -0600, in the land of rec.arts.poems,
"Dennis M. Hammes" <scrawlmark@arvig.net> got double secret probation
for writing:

>Aratzio wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 04:13:58 -0600, in rec.arts.poems, "Dennis M.
>> Hammes" <scrawlmark@arvig.net> bloviated:
>>
>>
>>>Aratzio wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:18:51 -0500, in the land of
>>>>alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom <DaVe@MeOw.OrG>
>>>>got double secret probation for writing:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:21:23 GMT, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:22:01 GMT, in
>>>>>>alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, Aratzio
>>>>>><a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> bloviated:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>http://www.mercurynews.com/foodheadlines/ci_8311983
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hop and Barley prices have increased dramatically, price for *good*
>>>>>>>beer is going up. Bud-water and Curs unaffected.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Who cares about the history of beer you tards, the future of beer is
>>>>>>EXPENSIVE! We must do something now. We must form a working group to
>>>>>>discuss the ramificatios of the price and the negative impact by said
>>>>>>price with respect to our daily budgets. What must we trim from our
>>>>>>budget to insure an adequate BEER supply. Is there a Beer Futures
>>>>>>market where we can make long term strategic buys to lock in current
>>>>>>prices in the very changing Beer financial market.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Stop discussing history, start planning the future.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>TAKE BACK OUR BEER!
>>>>>
>>>>>theyre selling six packs of schlitz malt liquor at the quickie mart
>>>>>for $3.99.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>They still make Shitz?
>>>>
>>>
>>>"Teh Galaxy's Finest Malt Liquor!"
>>
>>
>> ICK
>>
>> Next up a review of Pabst
>>
>> ICK
>>
>
>d00d, you're talking about /college/ beers, and those boiZ'll drink
>their own piss if it smells right.

Leinenkugel

mmmmmm

--

Does the name Pavlov ring a bell?

Aratzio - Usenet ruiner #2

 

On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 23:11:28 -0800, pscissons wrote:

> "mimus" <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4qCdnYMS8ozOXSPanZ2dnUVZ_viunZ2d@giganews.com...
>
>> On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 04:02:08 -0600, Dennis M. Hammes wrote:
>>
>> > dave hillstrom wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 06:15:37 -0600, "Dennis M. Hammes"
>> >> <scrawlmark@arvig.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>dave hillstrom wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:04:48 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
>> >>>>wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:54:59 -0600, TheBookman wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:07:23 -0500, dave hillstrom wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:15:36 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:09:26 +0000, Aratzio wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:24:05 -0500, in
>> >>>>>>>>>alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom
> <DaVe@MeOw.OrG>
>> >>>>>>>>>bloviated:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:22:01 GMT, Aratzio
> <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>http://www.mercurynews.com/foodheadlines/ci_8311983
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>Hop and Barley prices have increased dramatically, price for
> *good*
>> >>>>>>>>>>>beer is going up. Bud-water and Curs unaffected.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>good thing i brew my own fermented beverages.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>And the cost is going up, IF you can get the good hops anymore.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>You can substitute several things for hops with good results,
> including
>> >>>>>>>>catnip and pot.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>Not to mention all the horrible other things you can wrestle into
> the
>> >>>>>>>>boil-bags.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>indeed. hops were not used in beer until rather recently, i
> believe
>> >>>>>>>between 700 AD and 1,000 AD. before that, they used all kinds of
>> >>>>>>>stuff, including hot red pepper.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>Unless you're referring to red peppecorns (unlikely or at least very
>> >>>>>>uncommon, IMO, given the expense), red (chile) peppers cannot have
> been
>> >>>>>>used to flavor beer before 1492CE, since they originated from the
> "New
>> >>>>>>World", along with potatoes and tomatoes.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>HTH.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Didn't, like, the Toltecs or Olmecs or anyone brew beer?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>sure they did.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>everyone brewed beer of some sort.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>although its still somewhat up in the air about whether beer, wine, or
>> >>>>mead were first on the human fermentables calendar. the probability
>> >>>>is beer or mead, which ferment far faster than wine, but who knows?
>> >>>>were talking like 8000 BC or more back in history.
>> >>>
>> >>>Right, and cereal grains date back only to 5000 BCE and the founding
>> >>>of Jericho around the discovery of Emmer wheat, or 3000> BCE and rice
>> >>>in the Orient.
>> >>>
>> >>>Honey is relatively rare (until commercial hay-fields) and incurs
>> >>>some difficulty in the harvest, particulary for a people without
>> >>>ready (made from scratch) fire. Honey is also self-preserving, and
>> >>>will not ferment unless diluted and forced.
>> >>> Berries are likely first of that group, are more common than
>> >>>fruits, esp. the modern, large-pulp varieties, and several will
>> >>>produce all season.
>> >>> However one wonders if Adam actually ate apple or got plonked on
>> >>>natural cider (cf. Frost's "The Cow in Apple-Time"), hence the
>> >>>Injunction.
>> >>>
>> >>>However, the most-likely "first" is one of the known root-starches.
>> >>>The earliest under cultivation were various water-lilies (lotus,
>> >>>e.g.) in the Tigris, Nile, Indus, etc.
>> >>> What makes it difficult is that written records postdate Jericho,
>> >>>and that the materials of undistilled booze are ephemeral and the
>> >>>tools common pots, obviating archeological evidence.
>> >>
>> >> making it even harder, one theory has that people travelling around
>> >> even pre civilization would make containers out of skins for water.
>> >> the theory says that they might even put in fruits or honey for taste,
>> >> which of course would have wild yeast on it, and so by seeming magic,
>> >> a skin here or there would produce an alcoholic elixer. and of course
>> >> that skin would become imbued with yeast such that pretty much any
>> >> water/sugar addition would do the trick! and yer just not gonna find
>> >> a skin like this in the archeological record.
>> >
>> > Perzakly.
>> > But the funny thing about statistics is this, that if a thing has
>> > only a chance in a billion of happening, it's fuken well gonna happen.
>>
>> No no no, that's only if it's a million to one against.
>>
>> (The Adams-Pratchett Axiom of Improbability.)
>
> And that's without maths!
>
> Smee

<cautiously>

I'd like to see the proof of that.

--
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smeeter 11 or maybe 12

mp 10

The best piece of logic I ever heard, Mr Larynx; the very best,
I assure you.

< _Nightmare Abbey_

 

On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 03:05:00 -0600, Dennis M. Hammes wrote:

> mimus wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 04:02:08 -0600, Dennis M. Hammes wrote:
>>
>>>dave hillstrom wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 06:15:37 -0600, "Dennis M. Hammes"
>>>><scrawlmark@arvig.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>dave hillstrom wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:04:48 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:54:59 -0600, TheBookman wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:07:23 -0500, dave hillstrom wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:15:36 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:09:26 +0000, Aratzio wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:24:05 -0500, in
>>>>>>>>>>>alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom <DaVe@MeOw.OrG>
>>>>>>>>>>>bloviated:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:22:01 GMT, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.mercurynews.com/foodheadlines/ci_8311983
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hop and Barley prices have increased dramatically, price for *good*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>beer is going up. Bud-water and Curs unaffected.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>good thing i brew my own fermented beverages.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>And the cost is going up, IF you can get the good hops anymore.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>You can substitute several things for hops with good results, including
>>>>>>>>>>catnip and pot.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Not to mention all the horrible other things you can wrestle into the
>>>>>>>>>>boil-bags.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>indeed. hops were not used in beer until rather recently, i believe
>>>>>>>>>between 700 AD and 1,000 AD. before that, they used all kinds of
>>>>>>>>>stuff, including hot red pepper.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Unless you're referring to red peppecorns (unlikely or at least very
>>>>>>>>uncommon, IMO, given the expense), red (chile) peppers cannot have been
>>>>>>>>used to flavor beer before 1492CE, since they originated from the "New
>>>>>>>>World", along with potatoes and tomatoes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>HTH.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Didn't, like, the Toltecs or Olmecs or anyone brew beer?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>sure they did.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>everyone brewed beer of some sort.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>although its still somewhat up in the air about whether beer, wine, or
>>>>>>mead were first on the human fermentables calendar. the probability
>>>>>>is beer or mead, which ferment far faster than wine, but who knows?
>>>>>>were talking like 8000 BC or more back in history.
>>>>>
>>>>>Right, and cereal grains date back only to 5000 BCE and the founding
>>>>>of Jericho around the discovery of Emmer wheat, or 3000> BCE and rice
>>>>>in the Orient.
>>>>>
>>>>>Honey is relatively rare (until commercial hay-fields) and incurs
>>>>>some difficulty in the harvest, particulary for a people without
>>>>>ready (made from scratch) fire. Honey is also self-preserving, and
>>>>>will not ferment unless diluted and forced.
>>>>> Berries are likely first of that group, are more common than
>>>>>fruits, esp. the modern, large-pulp varieties, and several will
>>>>>produce all season.
>>>>> However one wonders if Adam actually ate apple or got plonked on
>>>>>natural cider (cf. Frost's "The Cow in Apple-Time"), hence the
>>>>>Injunction.
>>>>>
>>>>>However, the most-likely "first" is one of the known root-starches.
>>>>>The earliest under cultivation were various water-lilies (lotus,
>>>>>e.g.) in the Tigris, Nile, Indus, etc.
>>>>> What makes it difficult is that written records postdate Jericho,
>>>>>and that the materials of undistilled booze are ephemeral and the
>>>>>tools common pots, obviating archeological evidence.
>>>>
>>>>making it even harder, one theory has that people travelling around
>>>>even pre civilization would make containers out of skins for water.
>>>>the theory says that they might even put in fruits or honey for taste,
>>>>which of course would have wild yeast on it, and so by seeming magic,
>>>>a skin here or there would produce an alcoholic elixer. and of course
>>>>that skin would become imbued with yeast such that pretty much any
>>>>water/sugar addition would do the trick! and yer just not gonna find
>>>>a skin like this in the archeological record.
>>>
>>>Perzakly.
>>> But the funny thing about statistics is this, that if a thing has
>>>only a chance in a billion of happening, it's fuken well gonna happen.
>>
>> No no no, that's only if it's

exactly

>> a million to one against.
>>
>> (The Adams-Pratchett Axiom of Improbability.)
>
> Douglas Adams?
> (It's a real axiom, and a lot older than he.)

?

Are you speaking simply of the truism that anything not impossible can
happen, no matter how unlikely, or something even grottier?

I fixed the API Axiom above. Sorry.

--
tinmimus99@hotmail.com

smeeter 11 or maybe 12

mp 10

mhm 29x13

This is part of the eternal wonder of the universe
as man forages out to discover in the womb of time
the nascence of his individuality in the motherhood of possibility.

< Malzberg

 

On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 03:27:15 -0600, Dennis M. Hammes wrote:

> mimus wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:56:54 +0000, Aratzio wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 04:13:58 -0600, in rec.arts.poems, "Dennis M.
>>>Hammes" <scrawlmark@arvig.net> bloviated:
>>>
>>>>Aratzio wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:18:51 -0500, in the land of
>>>>>alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom <DaVe@MeOw.OrG>
>>>>>got double secret probation for writing:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:21:23 GMT, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:22:01 GMT, in
>>>>>>>alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, Aratzio
>>>>>>><a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> bloviated:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>http://www.mercurynews.com/foodheadlines/ci_8311983
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hop and Barley prices have increased dramatically, price for *good*
>>>>>>>>beer is going up. Bud-water and Curs unaffected.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Who cares about the history of beer you tards, the future of beer is
>>>>>>>EXPENSIVE! We must do something now. We must form a working group to
>>>>>>>discuss the ramificatios of the price and the negative impact by said
>>>>>>>price with respect to our daily budgets. What must we trim from our
>>>>>>>budget to insure an adequate BEER supply. Is there a Beer Futures
>>>>>>>market where we can make long term strategic buys to lock in current
>>>>>>>prices in the very changing Beer financial market.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Stop discussing history, start planning the future.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>TAKE BACK OUR BEER!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>theyre selling six packs of schlitz malt liquor at the quickie mart
>>>>>>for $3.99.
>>>>>
>>>>>They still make Shitz?
>>>>
>>>>"Teh Galaxy's Finest Malt Liquor!"
>>>
>>>ICK
>>>
>>>Next up a review of Pabst
>>>
>>>ICK
>>
>> Beast, man. Milwaukee's Best. By the (cheap) pitcher.
>
> There's actually little better for a slow, cheap, mob drunk like a
> reunion or tailgate.
> (Is it my imagination, or do the kegs always seem better'n the cans?)

I don't know, I always encountered it in pitchers as a slow, cheap,
late-night college alternative-rock bar drunk.

Heavy stuff. Including the next morning.

Or, well, you know. Dawn. Whatever.

--
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smeeter 11 or maybe 12

mp 10

mhm 29x13

The roads crawled in all directions like
crayfish poured out of a bag.

< Gogol

 

On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:20:20 -0600
TheBookman <TheBookman@kc.rr.comNULL> wasted precious bandwith with:

> On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 08:37:42 -0800, ???hw??f wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:58:55 GMT
> > Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wasted precious bandwith
> > with:
> >
> >> On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 04:16:46 -0600, in rec.arts.poems, "Dennis
> >M.> Hammes" <scrawlmark@arvig.net> bloviated:
> >>
> >>>dave hillstrom wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:03:19 -0800, Aratzio
> >>><a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:18:51 -0500, in the land of
> >>>>>alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom
> >>><DaVe@MeOw.OrG>>>got double secret probation for writing:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:21:23 GMT, Aratzio
> >>><a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>>>>wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:22:01 GMT, in
> >>>>>>>alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, Aratzio
> >>>>>>><a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> bloviated:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>http://www.mercurynews.com/foodheadlines/ci_8311983
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Hop and Barley prices have increased dramatically, price
> >for>>*good*>>>>>beer is going up. Bud-water and Curs unaffected.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Who cares about the history of beer you tards, the future
> >of>>beer is>>>>EXPENSIVE! We must do something now. We must form
> >a>>working group to>>>>discuss the ramificatios of the price and
> >the>>negative impact by said>>>>price with respect to our daily
> >>>budgets. What must we trim from our>>>>budget to insure an
> >>>adequate BEER supply. Is there a Beer Futures>>>>market where
> >we>>can make long term strategic buys to lock in
> >current>>>>prices in>>the very changing Beer financial market.
> >>>>>>>>>>>Stop discussing history, start planning the future.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>TAKE BACK OUR BEER!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>theyre selling six packs of schlitz malt liquor at the
> >quickie>>mart>>>for $3.99.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>They still make Shitz?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> dunno, but the strohs brewery certainly makes quite a bit of
> >>>malt> liquor.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>Stroh's resurrects almost /any/ old logo if there's enough call
> >
> >>>through the distribs. Remember "Billy Beer"?
> >>> I even see Blatz back on the shelf on occasion.
> >>
> >> Old Frothingschloss (sp) "The stale pale ale with the head on
> >the> bottom"
> >>
> >> When you see Regal Crown Select in quart bottles you know you
> >have> hit the mother lode of nasty beer.
> >>
> > Old Millwakee is pretty horrid...
>
> It's better than Millwaukee's Beast.
>
Last time I drank MB it was just cheap Miller Hi-Lite.
But that was ten years ago

> >
> > Moose Drool isa micro brew here that gets accolades.
>
> Moose Drool's a nice example of a brown ale. Maybe not
> world-class, but at least as good as, say, Frankenheim, IMO.
>
Something I need to try

> The same brewery also makes "Slow Elk", which is a nice little
> oatmeal stout. Either one is worth a try, but beware serving them
> at 'normal' american beer temperatures, which are cold enough to
> suppress their flavors.
>
If you ever get the chance try "Nimbus". Its a micro that has lots
of floaty things in it since they dont filter it much.

> ESL!
>
SNUH!

--
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On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 23:14:22 -0800
<pscissons@sbcglobal.net> wasted precious bandwith with:

>
> "???hw??f" <snuhwolf@netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:20080222083742.7b8ecd7a@vector...
> > On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:58:55 GMT
> > Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wasted precious bandwith
> > with:
> >
> > > On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 04:16:46 -0600, in rec.arts.poems, "Dennis
> > > M. Hammes" <scrawlmark@arvig.net> bloviated:
> > >
> > > >dave hillstrom wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:03:19 -0800, Aratzio
> > > ><a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:18:51 -0500, in the land of
> > > >>>alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom
> > > ><DaVe@MeOw.OrG>>>got double secret probation for writing:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:21:23 GMT, Aratzio
> > > ><a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>>>>wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:22:01 GMT, in
> > > >>>>>alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, Aratzio
> > > >>>>><a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> bloviated:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>>http://www.mercurynews.com/foodheadlines/ci_8311983
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>Hop and Barley prices have increased dramatically, price
> > > >for*good*>>>>>beer is going up. Bud-water and Curs
> > > >unaffected.>>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>Who cares about the history of beer you tards, the future
> > > >of beer is>>>>EXPENSIVE! We must do something now. We must
> > > >form a working group to>>>>discuss the ramificatios of the
> > > >price and the negative impact by said>>>>price with respect
> > > >to our daily budgets. What must we trim from our>>>>budget to
> > > >insure an adequate BEER supply. Is there a Beer
> > > >Futures>>>>market where we can make long term strategic buys
> > > >to lock in current>>>>prices in the very changing Beer
> > > >financial market. >>>>>>>>Stop discussing history, start
> > > >planning the future.>>>>
> > > >>>>>TAKE BACK OUR BEER!
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>theyre selling six packs of schlitz malt liquor at the
> > > >quickie mart>>>for $3.99.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>They still make Shitz?
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> dunno, but the strohs brewery certainly makes quite a bit
> > > >of malt> liquor.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >Stroh's resurrects almost /any/ old logo if there's enough
> > > >call through the distribs. Remember "Billy Beer"?
> > > > I even see Blatz back on the shelf on occasion.
> > >
> > > Old Frothingschloss (sp) "The stale pale ale with the head on
> > > the bottom"
> > >
> > > When you see Regal Crown Select in quart bottles you know you
> > > have hit the mother lode of nasty beer.
> > >
> > Old Millwakee is pretty horrid....
> >
> > Moose Drool isa micro brew here that gets accolades.
>
> I would buy a bottle of that just for the name; wouldn't actually
> drink any of it, of course.
>
> Smee
>
Its the only thing I'll drink anymore.
American mass-produced stuff is terrible...
Moose drool is dark & sweet.

> >
> > --
> > www.smirkingchimp.com
>
>

 

On Feb 23, 7:50?am, Aratzio <a6ahly...@sneakemail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 03:24:42 -0600, in the land of rec.arts.poems,
> "Dennis M. Hammes" <scrawlm...@arvig.net> got double secret probation
> for writing:
>
>
>
> >Aratzio wrote:
>
> >> On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 04:13:58 -0600, in rec.arts.poems, "Dennis M.
> >> Hammes" <scrawlm...@arvig.net> bloviated:
>
> >>>Aratzio wrote:
>
> >>>>On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:18:51 -0500, in the land of
> >>>>alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom <D...@MeOw.OrG>
> >>>>got double secret probation for writing:
>
> >>>>>On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:21:23 GMT, Aratzio <a6ahly...@sneakemail.com>
> >>>>>wrote:
>
> >>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:22:01 GMT, in
> >>>>>>alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, Aratzio
> >>>>>><a6ahly...@sneakemail.com> bloviated:
>
> >>>>>>>http://www.mercurynews.com/foodheadlines/ci_8311983
>
> >>>>>>>Hop and Barley prices have increased dramatically, price for *good*
> >>>>>>>beer is going up. Bud-water and Curs unaffected.
>
> >>>>>>Who cares about the history of beer you tards, the future of beer is
> >>>>>>EXPENSIVE! We must do something now. We must form a working group to
> >>>>>>discuss the ramificatios of the price and the negative impact by said
> >>>>>>price with respect to our daily budgets. What must we trim from our
> >>>>>>budget to insure an adequate BEER supply. Is there a Beer Futures
> >>>>>>market where we can make long term strategic buys to lock in current
> >>>>>>prices in the very changing Beer financial market.
>
> >>>>>>Stop discussing history, start planning the future.
>
> >>>>>>TAKE BACK OUR BEER!
>
> >>>>>theyre selling six packs of schlitz malt liquor at the quickie mart
> >>>>>for $3.99.
>
> >>>>They still make Shitz?
>
> >>>"Teh Galaxy's Finest Malt Liquor!"
>
> >> ICK
>
> >> Next up a review of Pabst
>
> >> ICK
>
> >d00d, you're talking about /college/ beers, and those boiZ'll drink
> >their own piss if it smells right.
>
> Leinenkugel
>
> mmmmmm
>
> --
>
> Does the name Pavlov ring a bell?
>
> Aratzio - Usenet ruiner #2

Personally, I was looking for the work rat trap!:

http://rat-hunter.com/hunting_rats_6.jpg

There is the Art Deco Sized one!:

http://www.leonkuhn.org.uk/prevc/rat_trap.htm

 

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>
>http://www.mercurynews.com/foodheadlines/ci_8311983
>
>Hop and Barley prices have increased dramatically, price for *good*
>beer is going up. Bud-water and Curs unaffected.
>

God damned Arabs!

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mimus wrote:

> On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 03:05:00 -0600, Dennis M. Hammes wrote:
>
>
>>mimus wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 04:02:08 -0600, Dennis M. Hammes wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>dave hillstrom wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 06:15:37 -0600, "Dennis M. Hammes"
>>>>><scrawlmark@arvig.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>dave hillstrom wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:04:48 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:54:59 -0600, TheBookman wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:07:23 -0500, dave hillstrom wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:15:36 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:09:26 +0000, Aratzio wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:24:05 -0500, in
>>>>>>>>>>>>alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom <DaVe@MeOw.OrG>
>>>>>>>>>>>>bloviated:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:22:01 GMT, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.mercurynews.com/foodheadlines/ci_8311983
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hop and Barley prices have increased dramatically, price for *good*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>beer is going up. Bud-water and Curs unaffected.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>good thing i brew my own fermented beverages.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>And the cost is going up, IF you can get the good hops anymore.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>You can substitute several things for hops with good results, including
>>>>>>>>>>>catnip and pot.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Not to mention all the horrible other things you can wrestle into the
>>>>>>>>>>>boil-bags.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>indeed. hops were not used in beer until rather recently, i believe
>>>>>>>>>>between 700 AD and 1,000 AD. before that, they used all kinds of
>>>>>>>>>>stuff, including hot red pepper.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Unless you're referring to red peppecorns (unlikely or at least very
>>>>>>>>>uncommon, IMO, given the expense), red (chile) peppers cannot have been
>>>>>>>>>used to flavor beer before 1492CE, since they originated from the "New
>>>>>>>>>World", along with potatoes and tomatoes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>HTH.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Didn't, like, the Toltecs or Olmecs or anyone brew beer?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>sure they did.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>everyone brewed beer of some sort.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>although its still somewhat up in the air about whether beer, wine, or
>>>>>>>mead were first on the human fermentables calendar. the probability
>>>>>>>is beer or mead, which ferment far faster than wine, but who knows?
>>>>>>>were talking like 8000 BC or more back in history.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Right, and cereal grains date back only to 5000 BCE and the founding
>>>>>>of Jericho around the discovery of Emmer wheat, or 3000> BCE and rice
>>>>>>in the Orient.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Honey is relatively rare (until commercial hay-fields) and incurs
>>>>>>some difficulty in the harvest, particulary for a people without
>>>>>>ready (made from scratch) fire. Honey is also self-preserving, and
>>>>>>will not ferment unless diluted and forced.
>>>>>>Berries are likely first of that group, are more common than
>>>>>>fruits, esp. the modern, large-pulp varieties, and several will
>>>>>>produce all season.
>>>>>>However one wonders if Adam actually ate apple or got plonked on
>>>>>>natural cider (cf. Frost's "The Cow in Apple-Time"), hence the
>>>>>>Injunction.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>However, the most-likely "first" is one of the known root-starches.
>>>>>>The earliest under cultivation were various water-lilies (lotus,
>>>>>>e.g.) in the Tigris, Nile, Indus, etc.
>>>>>>What makes it difficult is that written records postdate Jericho,
>>>>>>and that the materials of undistilled booze are ephemeral and the
>>>>>>tools common pots, obviating archeological evidence.
>>>>>
>>>>>making it even harder, one theory has that people travelling around
>>>>>even pre civilization would make containers out of skins for water.
>>>>>the theory says that they might even put in fruits or honey for taste,
>>>>>which of course would have wild yeast on it, and so by seeming magic,
>>>>>a skin here or there would produce an alcoholic elixer. and of course
>>>>>that skin would become imbued with yeast such that pretty much any
>>>>>water/sugar addition would do the trick! and yer just not gonna find
>>>>>a skin like this in the archeological record.
>>>>
>>>>Perzakly.
>>>> But the funny thing about statistics is this, that if a thing has
>>>>only a chance in a billion of happening, it's fuken well gonna happen.
>>>
>>>No no no, that's only if it's
>
>
> exactly
>
>
>>>a million to one against.
>>>
>>>(The Adams-Pratchett Axiom of Improbability.)
>>
>>Douglas Adams?
>> (It's a real axiom, and a lot older than he.)
>
>
> ?


Douglas Adams, "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy," "The
Restaurant at the Edge of the Universe," etc., which makes extreme
use of various improbabilities and pseudoparadoxes in theoretical
"physics," incl. "The Improbability Drive."
All(?) such "theories" exist only in isolation; Adams simply plugs
them back into mainstream reality and cackles at the "results."

>
> Are you speaking simply of the truism that anything not impossible can
> happen, no matter how unlikely, or something even grottier?


Approximately; it's merely an "opening lesson" in almost any
statistics course/book, i.e., that anything that has even a
vanishingly small probability of happening damwell /will/ eventually
happen, i.e., that it's inevitable.
It's a crucial point of subatomic physics, planetology, and
cosmology often forgotten by the careless and never learned by those
who would rather be Faithful.

>
> I fixed the API Axiom above. Sorry.
>

The actual principle has no specific coefficient, and I've never
heard (to remember it) that it had an attribution name.
One feels that Zeno would have propounded it, but then he missed
so damned much that was right next to what he knew that it makes one
leery of using "any," "all," or "none" in any context outside the
strictly logical.
It's a big universe, and temporally infinite.

--
-------(m+
~/)_|
Gresham's Law is not worth a Continental.
http://scrawlmark.org

 

mimus wrote:

> On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 03:27:15 -0600, Dennis M. Hammes wrote:
>
>
>>mimus wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:56:54 +0000, Aratzio wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 04:13:58 -0600, in rec.arts.poems, "Dennis M.
>>>>Hammes" <scrawlmark@arvig.net> bloviated:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Aratzio wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:18:51 -0500, in the land of
>>>>>>alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom <DaVe@MeOw.OrG>
>>>>>>got double secret probation for writing:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:21:23 GMT, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:22:01 GMT, in
>>>>>>>>alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, Aratzio
>>>>>>>><a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> bloviated:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>http://www.mercurynews.com/foodheadlines/ci_8311983
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Hop and Barley prices have increased dramatically, price for *good*
>>>>>>>>>beer is going up. Bud-water and Curs unaffected.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Who cares about the history of beer you tards, the future of beer is
>>>>>>>>EXPENSIVE! We must do something now. We must form a working group to
>>>>>>>>discuss the ramificatios of the price and the negative impact by said
>>>>>>>>price with respect to our daily budgets. What must we trim from our
>>>>>>>>budget to insure an adequate BEER supply. Is there a Beer Futures
>>>>>>>>market where we can make long term strategic buys to lock in current
>>>>>>>>prices in the very changing Beer financial market.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Stop discussing history, start planning the future.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>TAKE BACK OUR BEER!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>theyre selling six packs of schlitz malt liquor at the quickie mart
>>>>>>>for $3.99.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>They still make Shitz?
>>>>>
>>>>>"Teh Galaxy's Finest Malt Liquor!"
>>>>
>>>>ICK
>>>>
>>>>Next up a review of Pabst
>>>>
>>>>ICK
>>>
>>>Beast, man. Milwaukee's Best. By the (cheap) pitcher.
>>
>>There's actually little better for a slow, cheap, mob drunk like a
>>reunion or tailgate.
>> (Is it my imagination, or do the kegs always seem better'n the cans?)
>
>
> I don't know, I always encountered it in pitchers as a slow, cheap,
> late-night college alternative-rock bar drunk.
>
> Heavy stuff. Including the next morning.
>
> Or, well, you know. Dawn. Whatever.
>

Avoid Hangovers: stay drunk, and sleep in class.

--
-------(m+
~/)_|
Gresham's Law is not worth a Continental.
http://scrawlmark.org

 

Wavy G wrote:

> Dear, "Aratzio": Do you like me? Please check a box ( ) YES ( ) NO:
>
>
>>http://www.mercurynews.com/foodheadlines/ci_8311983
>>
>>Hop and Barley prices have increased dramatically, price for *good*
>>beer is going up. Bud-water and Curs unaffected.
>>
>
>
> God damned Arabs!
>

You mean it isn't enuf we gotta squeeze our oil outta towels, we
gotta squeeze our beer outuv 'em /too/, now?
(I /hate/ how the towels get fulla sand from pounding their heads
on the ground five times a day.)

--
-------(m+
~/)_|
Gresham's Law is not worth a Continental.
http://scrawlmark.org

 

On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 09:16:24 -0600, "Dennis M. Hammes"
<scrawlmark@arvig.net> wrote:

>mimus wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 03:05:00 -0600, Dennis M. Hammes wrote:
>>
>>
>>>mimus wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 04:02:08 -0600, Dennis M. Hammes wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>dave hillstrom wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 06:15:37 -0600, "Dennis M. Hammes"
>>>>>><scrawlmark@arvig.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>dave hillstrom wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:04:48 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:54:59 -0600, TheBookman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:07:23 -0500, dave hillstrom wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:15:36 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:09:26 +0000, Aratzio wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:24:05 -0500, in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom <DaVe@MeOw.OrG>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>bloviated:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:22:01 GMT, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.mercurynews.com/foodheadlines/ci_8311983
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hop and Barley prices have increased dramatically, price for *good*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>beer is going up. Bud-water and Curs unaffected.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>good thing i brew my own fermented beverages.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>And the cost is going up, IF you can get the good hops anymore.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>You can substitute several things for hops with good results, including
>>>>>>>>>>>>catnip and pot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Not to mention all the horrible other things you can wrestle into the
>>>>>>>>>>>>boil-bags.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>indeed. hops were not used in beer until rather recently, i believe
>>>>>>>>>>>between 700 AD and 1,000 AD. before that, they used all kinds of
>>>>>>>>>>>stuff, including hot red pepper.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Unless you're referring to red peppecorns (unlikely or at least very
>>>>>>>>>>uncommon, IMO, given the expense), red (chile) peppers cannot have been
>>>>>>>>>>used to flavor beer before 1492CE, since they originated from the "New
>>>>>>>>>>World", along with potatoes and tomatoes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>HTH.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Didn't, like, the Toltecs or Olmecs or anyone brew beer?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>sure they did.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>everyone brewed beer of some sort.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>although its still somewhat up in the air about whether beer, wine, or
>>>>>>>>mead were first on the human fermentables calendar. the probability
>>>>>>>>is beer or mead, which ferment far faster than wine, but who knows?
>>>>>>>>were talking like 8000 BC or more back in history.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Right, and cereal grains date back only to 5000 BCE and the founding
>>>>>>>of Jericho around the discovery of Emmer wheat, or 3000> BCE and rice
>>>>>>>in the Orient.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Honey is relatively rare (until commercial hay-fields) and incurs
>>>>>>>some difficulty in the harvest, particulary for a people without
>>>>>>>ready (made from scratch) fire. Honey is also self-preserving, and
>>>>>>>will not ferment unless diluted and forced.
>>>>>>>Berries are likely first of that group, are more common than
>>>>>>>fruits, esp. the modern, large-pulp varieties, and several will
>>>>>>>produce all season.
>>>>>>>However one wonders if Adam actually ate apple or got plonked on
>>>>>>>natural cider (cf. Frost's "The Cow in Apple-Time"), hence the
>>>>>>>Injunction.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>However, the most-likely "first" is one of the known root-starches.
>>>>>>>The earliest under cultivation were various water-lilies (lotus,
>>>>>>>e.g.) in the Tigris, Nile, Indus, etc.
>>>>>>>What makes it difficult is that written records postdate Jericho,
>>>>>>>and that the materials of undistilled booze are ephemeral and the
>>>>>>>tools common pots, obviating archeological evidence.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>making it even harder, one theory has that people travelling around
>>>>>>even pre civilization would make containers out of skins for water.
>>>>>>the theory says that they might even put in fruits or honey for taste,
>>>>>>which of course would have wild yeast on it, and so by seeming magic,
>>>>>>a skin here or there would produce an alcoholic elixer. and of course
>>>>>>that skin would become imbued with yeast such that pretty much any
>>>>>>water/sugar addition would do the trick! and yer just not gonna find
>>>>>>a skin like this in the archeological record.
>>>>>
>>>>>Perzakly.
>>>>> But the funny thing about statistics is this, that if a thing has
>>>>>only a chance in a billion of happening, it's fuken well gonna happen.
>>>>
>>>>No no no, that's only if it's
>>
>>
>> exactly
>>
>>
>>>>a million to one against.
>>>>
>>>>(The Adams-Pratchett Axiom of Improbability.)
>>>
>>>Douglas Adams?
>>> (It's a real axiom, and a lot older than he.)
>>
>>
>> ?
>
>
>Douglas Adams, "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy," "The
>Restaurant at the Edge of the Universe," etc., which makes extreme
>use of various improbabilities and pseudoparadoxes in theoretical
>"physics," incl. "The Improbability Drive."
> All(?) such "theories" exist only in isolation; Adams simply plugs
>them back into mainstream reality and cackles at the "results."
>
>>
>> Are you speaking simply of the truism that anything not impossible can
>> happen, no matter how unlikely, or something even grottier?
>
>
>Approximately; it's merely an "opening lesson" in almost any
>statistics course/book, i.e., that anything that has even a
>vanishingly small probability of happening damwell /will/ eventually
>happen, i.e., that it's inevitable.
> It's a crucial point of subatomic physics, planetology, and
>cosmology often forgotten by the careless and never learned by those
>who would rather be Faithful.
>
>>
>> I fixed the API Axiom above. Sorry.
>>
>
>The actual principle has no specific coefficient, and I've never
>heard (to remember it) that it had an attribution name.
> One feels that Zeno would have propounded it, but then he missed
>so damned much that was right next to what he knew that it makes one
>leery of using "any," "all," or "none" in any context outside the
>strictly logical.
> It's a big universe, and temporally infinite.

black holes are just as likely to emit electromagnetic waves as they
are to spit out a 1963 chevy pickup with pink fuzzy dice, so says
hawking.

--
dave hillstrom mhm15x4 zrbj

<This space for rent.>

 

On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 09:16:24 -0600, Dennis M. Hammes wrote:

> mimus wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 03:05:00 -0600, Dennis M. Hammes wrote:
>>
>>>mimus wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 04:02:08 -0600, Dennis M. Hammes wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>dave hillstrom wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 06:15:37 -0600, "Dennis M. Hammes"
>>>>>><scrawlmark@arvig.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>dave hillstrom wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:04:48 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:54:59 -0600, TheBookman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:07:23 -0500, dave hillstrom wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:15:36 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:09:26 +0000, Aratzio wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:24:05 -0500, in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom <DaVe@MeOw.OrG>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>bloviated:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:22:01 GMT, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.mercurynews.com/foodheadlines/ci_8311983
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hop and Barley prices have increased dramatically, price for *good*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>beer is going up. Bud-water and Curs unaffected.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>good thing i brew my own fermented beverages.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>And the cost is going up, IF you can get the good hops anymore.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>You can substitute several things for hops with good results, including
>>>>>>>>>>>>catnip and pot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Not to mention all the horrible other things you can wrestle into the
>>>>>>>>>>>>boil-bags.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>indeed. hops were not used in beer until rather recently, i believe
>>>>>>>>>>>between 700 AD and 1,000 AD. before that, they used all kinds of
>>>>>>>>>>>stuff, including hot red pepper.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Unless you're referring to red peppecorns (unlikely or at least very
>>>>>>>>>>uncommon, IMO, given the expense), red (chile) peppers cannot have been
>>>>>>>>>>used to flavor beer before 1492CE, since they originated from the "New
>>>>>>>>>>World", along with potatoes and tomatoes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>HTH.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Didn't, like, the Toltecs or Olmecs or anyone brew beer?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>sure they did.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>everyone brewed beer of some sort.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>although its still somewhat up in the air about whether beer, wine, or
>>>>>>>>mead were first on the human fermentables calendar. the probability
>>>>>>>>is beer or mead, which ferment far faster than wine, but who knows?
>>>>>>>>were talking like 8000 BC or more back in history.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Right, and cereal grains date back only to 5000 BCE and the founding
>>>>>>>of Jericho around the discovery of Emmer wheat, or 3000> BCE and rice
>>>>>>>in the Orient.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Honey is relatively rare (until commercial hay-fields) and incurs
>>>>>>>some difficulty in the harvest, particulary for a people without
>>>>>>>ready (made from scratch) fire. Honey is also self-preserving, and
>>>>>>>will not ferment unless diluted and forced.
>>>>>>>Berries are likely first of that group, are more common than
>>>>>>>fruits, esp. the modern, large-pulp varieties, and several will
>>>>>>>produce all season.
>>>>>>>However one wonders if Adam actually ate apple or got plonked on
>>>>>>>natural cider (cf. Frost's "The Cow in Apple-Time"), hence the
>>>>>>>Injunction.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>However, the most-likely "first" is one of the known root-starches.
>>>>>>>The earliest under cultivation were various water-lilies (lotus,
>>>>>>>e.g.) in the Tigris, Nile, Indus, etc.
>>>>>>>What makes it difficult is that written records postdate Jericho,
>>>>>>>and that the materials of undistilled booze are ephemeral and the
>>>>>>>tools common pots, obviating archeological evidence.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>making it even harder, one theory has that people travelling around
>>>>>>even pre civilization would make containers out of skins for water.
>>>>>>the theory says that they might even put in fruits or honey for taste,
>>>>>>which of course would have wild yeast on it, and so by seeming magic,
>>>>>>a skin here or there would produce an alcoholic elixer. and of course
>>>>>>that skin would become imbued with yeast such that pretty much any
>>>>>>water/sugar addition would do the trick! and yer just not gonna find
>>>>>>a skin like this in the archeological record.
>>>>>
>>>>>Perzakly.
>>>>> But the funny thing about statistics is this, that if a thing has
>>>>>only a chance in a billion of happening, it's fuken well gonna happen.
>>>>
>>>>No no no, that's only if it's
>>
>> exactly
>>
>>>>a million to one against.
>>>>
>>>>(The Adams-Pratchett Axiom of Improbability.)
>>>
>>>Douglas Adams?
>>> (It's a real axiom, and a lot older than he.)
>>
>> ?
>
> Douglas Adams, "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy," "The
> Restaurant at the Edge of the Universe," etc., which makes extreme
> use of various improbabilities and pseudoparadoxes in theoretical
> "physics," incl. "The Improbability Drive."
> All(?) such "theories" exist only in isolation; Adams simply plugs
> them back into mainstream reality and cackles at the "results."

Yes, yes?

>> Are you speaking simply of the truism that anything not impossible can
>> happen, no matter how unlikely, or something even grottier?
>
> Approximately; it's merely an "opening lesson" in almost any
> statistics course/book, i.e., that anything that has even a
> vanishingly small probability of happening damwell /will/ eventually
> happen, i.e., that it's inevitable.
> It's a crucial point of subatomic physics, planetology, and
> cosmology often forgotten by the careless and never learned by those
> who would rather be Faithful.

"Crucial"? I'd go with the more likely stuff, meself, like what happens to
a free neutron after about fifteen minutes or at most within an hour or
two (OK, some may never blow).

It's enough to make your hair stand on end.

Not least in its many (and mostly unregarded) implications.

>> I fixed the API Axiom above. Sorry.
>
> The actual principle has no specific coefficient, and I've never
> heard (to remember it) that it had an attribution name.

That's Pratchett's emendation of the Adamsian theory of the greater the
improbability the greater the probability.

> One feels that Zeno would have propounded it, but then he missed
> so damned much that was right next to what he knew that it makes one
> leery of using "any," "all," or "none" in any context outside the
> strictly logical.

Considering that the propositional logic was not separated out from set
theory until George Boole's _An Investigation of the Laws of Thought_
(1854), and the mathematics of form not separated out from propositional
logic until George Spencer Brown's _Laws of Form_ (1964), I have a
somewhat jaundiced view of earlier philosophy, not to mention the "Age of
Reason".

The Greeks in particular along with their many splendid achievements
made many philosophical howlers as well, as could only be expected (I
accept and sympathize with "first gropings" as a rational plea in
mitigation of such things as the "spiritual hypothesis", although that
plea withers with time), and moving on to more complex matters one can
only hope that Plato's _Republic_ was a joke, a satire on Sparta and/or
Utopia-building, although one fears not.

> It's a big universe, and temporally infinite.

Maybe we're just infinitesimal.

--
tinmimus99@hotmail.com

smeeter 11 or maybe 12

mp 10

mhm 29x13

This is part of the eternal wonder of the universe
as man forages out to discover in the womb of time
the nascence of his individuality in the motherhood of possibility.

< Malzberg