THE Humanity! Beer Prices Going UP

TheBookman wrote:

> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:05:24 -0600, BostonBlackie? wrote:
>
>
>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:24:05 -0500, dave hillstrom <DaVe@MeOw.OrG>
>>employed an infinite number of monkeys on an infinite number of
>>typewriter to say:
>>
>>
>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:22:01 GMT, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>http://www.mercurynews.com/foodheadlines/ci_8311983
>>>>
>>>>Hop and Barley prices have increased dramatically, price for *good*
>>>>beer is going up. Bud-water and Curs unaffected.
>>>
>>>good thing i brew my own fermented beverages.
>>
>>If you harvest your own hops and cure them in a smoker, you'll have
>>something like this
>>
>>http://www.schlenkerla.de/rauchbier/beschreibunge.html
>
>
> I was told by the brewmaster at a local microbrewery that Germans tended to
> settle in regions in the US where wild hops grew. HTH.
>
> ESL!
>

As an indicator of soil and climate, almost certainly.
(Almost everybody settled land they were familiar with.)

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On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:22:01 GMT, in
alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, Aratzio
<a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> bloviated:

>
>http://www.mercurynews.com/foodheadlines/ci_8311983
>
>Hop and Barley prices have increased dramatically, price for *good*
>beer is going up. Bud-water and Curs unaffected.
>

Who cares about the history of beer you tards, the future of beer is
EXPENSIVE! We must do something now. We must form a working group to
discuss the ramificatios of the price and the negative impact by said
price with respect to our daily budgets. What must we trim from our
budget to insure an adequate BEER supply. Is there a Beer Futures
market where we can make long term strategic buys to lock in current
prices in the very changing Beer financial market.

Stop discussing history, start planning the future.

TAKE BACK OUR BEER!

 

On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 20:28:04 -0500, dave hillstrom <DaVe@MeOw.OrG>
employed an infinite number of monkeys on an infinite number of
typewriter to say:

>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:05:24 -0600, BostonBlackie?
><gangster@hell-flame-wars.org> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:24:05 -0500, dave hillstrom <DaVe@MeOw.OrG>
>>employed an infinite number of monkeys on an infinite number of
>>typewriter to say:
>>
>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:22:01 GMT, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>http://www.mercurynews.com/foodheadlines/ci_8311983
>>>>
>>>>Hop and Barley prices have increased dramatically, price for *good*
>>>>beer is going up. Bud-water and Curs unaffected.
>>>
>>>good thing i brew my own fermented beverages.
>>
>>If you harvest your own hops and cure them in a smoker, you'll have
>>something like this
>>
>>http://www.schlenkerla.de/rauchbier/beschreibunge.html
>
>mmmmmmmmmmmm
>
>mabye i should look into getting whole hops instead of pellets some
>time, and give that a try.

I can't get that brew in my state of residence. So I save my fix for
my annual pilgrimage to northern Germany. They don't drink it up
there, so we have it delivered via DHL to where I'm staying. I'll
bring back a 10 pack of battles (5L) with me and probably consume
another 20L while there.
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On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 08:37:35 -0600, in
alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, BostonBlackie?
<gangster@hell-flame-wars.org> bloviated:

>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 20:28:04 -0500, dave hillstrom <DaVe@MeOw.OrG>
>employed an infinite number of monkeys on an infinite number of
>typewriter to say:
>
>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:05:24 -0600, BostonBlackie?
>><gangster@hell-flame-wars.org> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:24:05 -0500, dave hillstrom <DaVe@MeOw.OrG>
>>>employed an infinite number of monkeys on an infinite number of
>>>typewriter to say:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:22:01 GMT, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.mercurynews.com/foodheadlines/ci_8311983
>>>>>
>>>>>Hop and Barley prices have increased dramatically, price for *good*
>>>>>beer is going up. Bud-water and Curs unaffected.
>>>>
>>>>good thing i brew my own fermented beverages.
>>>
>>>If you harvest your own hops and cure them in a smoker, you'll have
>>>something like this
>>>
>>>http://www.schlenkerla.de/rauchbier/beschreibunge.html
>>
>>mmmmmmmmmmmm
>>
>>mabye i should look into getting whole hops instead of pellets some
>>time, and give that a try.
>
>I can't get that brew in my state of residence. So I save my fix for
>my annual pilgrimage to northern Germany. They don't drink it up
>there, so we have it delivered via DHL to where I'm staying. I'll
>bring back a 10 pack of battles (5L) with me and probably consume
>another 20L while there.

Last time I was in northern europe I had a beer called Kaiser Doppel
Malt. Don't know whether it was just beer-o'clock and I wanted a beer
or whether it really was the best beer I have ever tasted. I prefer to
think the latter.

 

On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:44:41 -0500
Meat Plow <meat@petitmorte.net> wasted precious bandwith with:

> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:55:57 -0500, mimus wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:24:05 -0500, dave hillstrom wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:22:01 GMT, Aratzio
> ><a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >>>http://www.mercurynews.com/foodheadlines/ci_8311983
> >>>
> >>>Hop and Barley prices have increased dramatically, price for
> >*good*>>beer is going up. Bud-water and Curs unaffected.
> >>
> >> good thing i brew my own fermented beverages.
> >
> > Get some torula yeast and you can brew beer from sawdust.
> >
> > I imagine pine-beer would be kinda gin-like.
>
> I prefer mesquite beer
>
Made from mesquite beans???

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On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:14:52 -0800
Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wasted precious bandwith with:

> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:38:20 -0500, in the land of
> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom
> <DaVe@MeOw.OrG> got double secret probation for writing:
>
> >On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:24:48 -0800, Aratzio
> ><a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:01:55 -0500, in the land of
> >>alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom
> ><DaVe@MeOw.OrG>>got double secret probation for writing:
> >>
> >>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:09:26 GMT, Aratzio
> ><a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>>>wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:24:05 -0500, in
> >>>>alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom
> ><DaVe@MeOw.OrG>>>>bloviated:
> >>>>
> >>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:22:01 GMT, Aratzio
> ><a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>>>>>wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>http://www.mercurynews.com/foodheadlines/ci_8311983
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Hop and Barley prices have increased dramatically, price for
> >*good*>>>>>beer is going up. Bud-water and Curs unaffected.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>good thing i brew my own fermented beverages.
> >>>>
> >>>>And the cost is going up, IF you can get the good hops
> >anymore.>>
> >>>which is why MEAD is so appealing now! hah! NO HOPS!!!!!
> >>
> >>Yeah, honey is going up faster than the hops, what with all the
> >bees>dying off.
> >
> >a world without flowers and their fruits would be a tragedy
> >indeed.
>
> Yeah, all the dead people would smell
>
Who said "kill the bees and the rest follow"?
I think it was Einstein...
WHY IS THERE A alt.free.newsservers.aratzio???
You got some 'splainin to do...

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On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 08:46:08 -0800, in
alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, ???hw??f <snuhwolf@netscape.net>
bloviated:

>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:14:52 -0800
>Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wasted precious bandwith with:
>
>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:38:20 -0500, in the land of
>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom
>> <DaVe@MeOw.OrG> got double secret probation for writing:
>>
>> >On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:24:48 -0800, Aratzio
>> ><a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:01:55 -0500, in the land of
>> >>alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom
>> ><DaVe@MeOw.OrG>>got double secret probation for writing:
>> >>
>> >>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:09:26 GMT, Aratzio
>> ><a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>>>wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:24:05 -0500, in
>> >>>>alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom
>> ><DaVe@MeOw.OrG>>>>bloviated:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:22:01 GMT, Aratzio
>> ><a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>>>>>wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>http://www.mercurynews.com/foodheadlines/ci_8311983
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>Hop and Barley prices have increased dramatically, price for
>> >*good*>>>>>beer is going up. Bud-water and Curs unaffected.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>good thing i brew my own fermented beverages.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>And the cost is going up, IF you can get the good hops
>> >anymore.>>
>> >>>which is why MEAD is so appealing now! hah! NO HOPS!!!!!
>> >>
>> >>Yeah, honey is going up faster than the hops, what with all the
>> >bees>dying off.
>> >
>> >a world without flowers and their fruits would be a tragedy
>> >indeed.
>>
>> Yeah, all the dead people would smell
>>
>Who said "kill the bees and the rest follow"?
>I think it was Einstein...
>WHY IS THERE A alt.free.newsservers.aratzio???
>You got some 'splainin to do...

Bowtie, in one of his psychotic fits newgrouped it in my honor.

At least he didn't go for any of my sock puppets, like Far Canal.

 

On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 06:19:15 -0600, Dennis M. Hammes wrote:

> TheBookman wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:05:24 -0600, BostonBlackie? wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:24:05 -0500, dave hillstrom <DaVe@MeOw.OrG>
>>>employed an infinite number of monkeys on an infinite number of
>>>typewriter to say:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:22:01 GMT, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>http://www.mercurynews.com/foodheadlines/ci_8311983
>>>>>
>>>>>Hop and Barley prices have increased dramatically, price for *good*
>>>>>beer is going up. Bud-water and Curs unaffected.
>>>>
>>>>good thing i brew my own fermented beverages.
>>>
>>>If you harvest your own hops and cure them in a smoker, you'll have
>>>something like this
>>>
>>>http://www.schlenkerla.de/rauchbier/beschreibunge.html
>>
>>
>> I was told by the brewmaster at a local microbrewery that Germans tended to
>> settle in regions in the US where wild hops grew. HTH.
>>
>> ESL!
>>
>
> As an indicator of soil and climate, almost certainly.
> (Almost everybody settled land they were familiar with.)

My point being that if one lives in an area historically settle by Germans,
there's a fair liklihood of finding wild hops in your area for your brewing
needs.

Locating such, and the legality of collecting same are the one's own
responsibility, of course.

OTOH, some people live in areas where they can reasonably grow their own
hops, but YMMV as to the practicality of doing so.

ESL!


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On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 06:15:37 -0600, Dennis M. Hammes wrote:

> dave hillstrom wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:04:48 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:54:59 -0600, TheBookman wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:07:23 -0500, dave hillstrom wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:15:36 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:09:26 +0000, Aratzio wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:24:05 -0500, in
>>>>>>>alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom <DaVe@MeOw.OrG>
>>>>>>>bloviated:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:22:01 GMT, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>http://www.mercurynews.com/foodheadlines/ci_8311983
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Hop and Barley prices have increased dramatically, price for *good*
>>>>>>>>>beer is going up. Bud-water and Curs unaffected.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>good thing i brew my own fermented beverages.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>And the cost is going up, IF you can get the good hops anymore.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You can substitute several things for hops with good results, including
>>>>>>catnip and pot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Not to mention all the horrible other things you can wrestle into the
>>>>>>boil-bags.
>>>>>
>>>>>indeed. hops were not used in beer until rather recently, i believe
>>>>>between 700 AD and 1,000 AD. before that, they used all kinds of
>>>>>stuff, including hot red pepper.
>>>>
>>>>Unless you're referring to red peppecorns (unlikely or at least very
>>>>uncommon, IMO, given the expense), red (chile) peppers cannot have been
>>>>used to flavor beer before 1492CE, since they originated from the "New
>>>>World", along with potatoes and tomatoes.
>>>>
>>>>HTH.
>>>
>>>Didn't, like, the Toltecs or Olmecs or anyone brew beer?
>>
>> sure they did.
>>
>> everyone brewed beer of some sort.
>>
>> although its still somewhat up in the air about whether beer, wine, or
>> mead were first on the human fermentables calendar. the probability
>> is beer or mead, which ferment far faster than wine, but who knows?
>> were talking like 8000 BC or more back in history.
>
> Right, and cereal grains date back only to 5000 BCE and the founding
> of Jericho around the discovery of Emmer wheat, or 3000> BCE and rice
> in the Orient.
>
> Honey is relatively rare (until commercial hay-fields) and incurs
> some difficulty in the harvest, particulary for a people without
> ready (made from scratch) fire. Honey is also self-preserving, and
> will not ferment unless diluted and forced.
> Berries are likely first of that group, are more common than
> fruits, esp. the modern, large-pulp varieties, and several will
> produce all season.
> However one wonders if Adam actually ate apple or got plonked on
> natural cider (cf. Frost's "The Cow in Apple-Time"), hence the
> Injunction.
>
> However, the most-likely "first" is one of the known root-starches.
> The earliest under cultivation were various water-lilies (lotus,
> e.g.) in the Tigris, Nile, Indus, etc.
> What makes it difficult is that written records postdate Jericho,
> and that the materials of undistilled booze are ephemeral and the
> tools common pots, obviating archeological evidence.

I can't believe our distant African forebears didn't take careful notice
of the elephants getting fried on fermented fruit . . . .

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On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 06:15:37 -0600, "Dennis M. Hammes"
<scrawlmark@arvig.net> wrote:

>dave hillstrom wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:04:48 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:54:59 -0600, TheBookman wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:07:23 -0500, dave hillstrom wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:15:36 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:09:26 +0000, Aratzio wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:24:05 -0500, in
>>>>>>>alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom <DaVe@MeOw.OrG>
>>>>>>>bloviated:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:22:01 GMT, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>http://www.mercurynews.com/foodheadlines/ci_8311983
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Hop and Barley prices have increased dramatically, price for *good*
>>>>>>>>>beer is going up. Bud-water and Curs unaffected.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>good thing i brew my own fermented beverages.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>And the cost is going up, IF you can get the good hops anymore.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You can substitute several things for hops with good results, including
>>>>>>catnip and pot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Not to mention all the horrible other things you can wrestle into the
>>>>>>boil-bags.
>>>>>
>>>>>indeed. hops were not used in beer until rather recently, i believe
>>>>>between 700 AD and 1,000 AD. before that, they used all kinds of
>>>>>stuff, including hot red pepper.
>>>>
>>>>Unless you're referring to red peppecorns (unlikely or at least very
>>>>uncommon, IMO, given the expense), red (chile) peppers cannot have been
>>>>used to flavor beer before 1492CE, since they originated from the "New
>>>>World", along with potatoes and tomatoes.
>>>>
>>>>HTH.
>>>
>>>Didn't, like, the Toltecs or Olmecs or anyone brew beer?
>>
>>
>> sure they did.
>>
>> everyone brewed beer of some sort.
>>
>> although its still somewhat up in the air about whether beer, wine, or
>> mead were first on the human fermentables calendar. the probability
>> is beer or mead, which ferment far faster than wine, but who knows?
>> were talking like 8000 BC or more back in history.
>>
>
>Right, and cereal grains date back only to 5000 BCE and the founding
>of Jericho around the discovery of Emmer wheat, or 3000> BCE and rice
>in the Orient.
>
>Honey is relatively rare (until commercial hay-fields) and incurs
>some difficulty in the harvest, particulary for a people without
>ready (made from scratch) fire. Honey is also self-preserving, and
>will not ferment unless diluted and forced.
> Berries are likely first of that group, are more common than
>fruits, esp. the modern, large-pulp varieties, and several will
>produce all season.
> However one wonders if Adam actually ate apple or got plonked on
>natural cider (cf. Frost's "The Cow in Apple-Time"), hence the
>Injunction.
>
>However, the most-likely "first" is one of the known root-starches.
>The earliest under cultivation were various water-lilies (lotus,
>e.g.) in the Tigris, Nile, Indus, etc.
> What makes it difficult is that written records postdate Jericho,
>and that the materials of undistilled booze are ephemeral and the
>tools common pots, obviating archeological evidence.

making it even harder, one theory has that people travelling around
even pre civilization would make containers out of skins for water.
the theory says that they might even put in fruits or honey for taste,
which of course would have wild yeast on it, and so by seeming magic,
a skin here or there would produce an alcoholic elixer. and of course
that skin would become imbued with yeast such that pretty much any
water/sugar addition would do the trick! and yer just not gonna find
a skin like this in the archeological record.

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On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:21:23 GMT, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
wrote:

>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:22:01 GMT, in
>alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, Aratzio
><a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> bloviated:
>
>>
>>http://www.mercurynews.com/foodheadlines/ci_8311983
>>
>>Hop and Barley prices have increased dramatically, price for *good*
>>beer is going up. Bud-water and Curs unaffected.
>>
>
>Who cares about the history of beer you tards, the future of beer is
>EXPENSIVE! We must do something now. We must form a working group to
>discuss the ramificatios of the price and the negative impact by said
>price with respect to our daily budgets. What must we trim from our
>budget to insure an adequate BEER supply. Is there a Beer Futures
>market where we can make long term strategic buys to lock in current
>prices in the very changing Beer financial market.
>
>Stop discussing history, start planning the future.
>
>TAKE BACK OUR BEER!

theyre selling six packs of schlitz malt liquor at the quickie mart
for $3.99.

--
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<This space for rent.>

 

On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:57:04 GMT, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
wrote:

>On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 08:46:08 -0800, in
>alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, ???hw??f <snuhwolf@netscape.net>
>bloviated:
>
>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:14:52 -0800
>>Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wasted precious bandwith with:
>>
>>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:38:20 -0500, in the land of
>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom
>>> <DaVe@MeOw.OrG> got double secret probation for writing:
>>>
>>> >On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:24:48 -0800, Aratzio
>>> ><a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:01:55 -0500, in the land of
>>> >>alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom
>>> ><DaVe@MeOw.OrG>>got double secret probation for writing:
>>> >>
>>> >>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:09:26 GMT, Aratzio
>>> ><a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>>>wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:24:05 -0500, in
>>> >>>>alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom
>>> ><DaVe@MeOw.OrG>>>>bloviated:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:22:01 GMT, Aratzio
>>> ><a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>>>>>wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>http://www.mercurynews.com/foodheadlines/ci_8311983
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>Hop and Barley prices have increased dramatically, price for
>>> >*good*>>>>>beer is going up. Bud-water and Curs unaffected.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>good thing i brew my own fermented beverages.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>And the cost is going up, IF you can get the good hops
>>> >anymore.>>
>>> >>>which is why MEAD is so appealing now! hah! NO HOPS!!!!!
>>> >>
>>> >>Yeah, honey is going up faster than the hops, what with all the
>>> >bees>dying off.
>>> >
>>> >a world without flowers and their fruits would be a tragedy
>>> >indeed.
>>>
>>> Yeah, all the dead people would smell
>>>
>>Who said "kill the bees and the rest follow"?
>>I think it was Einstein...
>>WHY IS THERE A alt.free.newsservers.aratzio???
>>You got some 'splainin to do...
>
>Bowtie, in one of his psychotic fits newgrouped it in my honor.
>
>At least he didn't go for any of my sock puppets, like Far Canal.

that was so funny. 400+ groups newgrouped in one extremely
unmedicated night by the bowtie. oh, how we laughed.

--
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<This space for rent.>

 

On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:18:51 -0500, in the land of
alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom <DaVe@MeOw.OrG>
got double secret probation for writing:

>On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:21:23 GMT, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:22:01 GMT, in
>>alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, Aratzio
>><a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> bloviated:
>>
>>>
>>>http://www.mercurynews.com/foodheadlines/ci_8311983
>>>
>>>Hop and Barley prices have increased dramatically, price for *good*
>>>beer is going up. Bud-water and Curs unaffected.
>>>
>>
>>Who cares about the history of beer you tards, the future of beer is
>>EXPENSIVE! We must do something now. We must form a working group to
>>discuss the ramificatios of the price and the negative impact by said
>>price with respect to our daily budgets. What must we trim from our
>>budget to insure an adequate BEER supply. Is there a Beer Futures
>>market where we can make long term strategic buys to lock in current
>>prices in the very changing Beer financial market.
>>
>>Stop discussing history, start planning the future.
>>
>>TAKE BACK OUR BEER!
>
>theyre selling six packs of schlitz malt liquor at the quickie mart
>for $3.99.

They still make Shitz?

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On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:26:32 -0500, in the land of
alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom <DaVe@MeOw.OrG>
got double secret probation for writing:

>On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:57:04 GMT, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 08:46:08 -0800, in
>>alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, ???hw??f <snuhwolf@netscape.net>
>>bloviated:
>>
>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:14:52 -0800
>>>Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wasted precious bandwith with:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:38:20 -0500, in the land of
>>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom
>>>> <DaVe@MeOw.OrG> got double secret probation for writing:
>>>>
>>>> >On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:24:48 -0800, Aratzio
>>>> ><a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:01:55 -0500, in the land of
>>>> >>alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom
>>>> ><DaVe@MeOw.OrG>>got double secret probation for writing:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:09:26 GMT, Aratzio
>>>> ><a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>>>wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:24:05 -0500, in
>>>> >>>>alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom
>>>> ><DaVe@MeOw.OrG>>>>bloviated:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:22:01 GMT, Aratzio
>>>> ><a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>>>>>wrote:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>http://www.mercurynews.com/foodheadlines/ci_8311983
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>Hop and Barley prices have increased dramatically, price for
>>>> >*good*>>>>>beer is going up. Bud-water and Curs unaffected.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>good thing i brew my own fermented beverages.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>And the cost is going up, IF you can get the good hops
>>>> >anymore.>>
>>>> >>>which is why MEAD is so appealing now! hah! NO HOPS!!!!!
>>>> >>
>>>> >>Yeah, honey is going up faster than the hops, what with all the
>>>> >bees>dying off.
>>>> >
>>>> >a world without flowers and their fruits would be a tragedy
>>>> >indeed.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, all the dead people would smell
>>>>
>>>Who said "kill the bees and the rest follow"?
>>>I think it was Einstein...
>>>WHY IS THERE A alt.free.newsservers.aratzio???
>>>You got some 'splainin to do...
>>
>>Bowtie, in one of his psychotic fits newgrouped it in my honor.
>>
>>At least he didn't go for any of my sock puppets, like Far Canal.
>
>that was so funny. 400+ groups newgrouped in one extremely
>unmedicated night by the bowtie. oh, how we laughed.

I think it was over a week or so. We were scoring at home. Fred Hall
won with like 110.

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On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:36:31 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 06:15:37 -0600, Dennis M. Hammes wrote:
>
>> dave hillstrom wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:04:48 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:54:59 -0600, TheBookman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:07:23 -0500, dave hillstrom wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:15:36 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:09:26 +0000, Aratzio wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:24:05 -0500, in
>>>>>>>>alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom <DaVe@MeOw.OrG>
>>>>>>>>bloviated:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:22:01 GMT, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>http://www.mercurynews.com/foodheadlines/ci_8311983
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Hop and Barley prices have increased dramatically, price for *good*
>>>>>>>>>>beer is going up. Bud-water and Curs unaffected.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>good thing i brew my own fermented beverages.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>And the cost is going up, IF you can get the good hops anymore.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You can substitute several things for hops with good results, including
>>>>>>>catnip and pot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Not to mention all the horrible other things you can wrestle into the
>>>>>>>boil-bags.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>indeed. hops were not used in beer until rather recently, i believe
>>>>>>between 700 AD and 1,000 AD. before that, they used all kinds of
>>>>>>stuff, including hot red pepper.
>>>>>
>>>>>Unless you're referring to red peppecorns (unlikely or at least very
>>>>>uncommon, IMO, given the expense), red (chile) peppers cannot have been
>>>>>used to flavor beer before 1492CE, since they originated from the "New
>>>>>World", along with potatoes and tomatoes.
>>>>>
>>>>>HTH.
>>>>
>>>>Didn't, like, the Toltecs or Olmecs or anyone brew beer?
>>>
>>> sure they did.
>>>
>>> everyone brewed beer of some sort.
>>>
>>> although its still somewhat up in the air about whether beer, wine, or
>>> mead were first on the human fermentables calendar. the probability
>>> is beer or mead, which ferment far faster than wine, but who knows?
>>> were talking like 8000 BC or more back in history.
>>
>> Right, and cereal grains date back only to 5000 BCE and the founding
>> of Jericho around the discovery of Emmer wheat, or 3000> BCE and rice
>> in the Orient.
>>
>> Honey is relatively rare (until commercial hay-fields) and incurs
>> some difficulty in the harvest, particulary for a people without
>> ready (made from scratch) fire. Honey is also self-preserving, and
>> will not ferment unless diluted and forced.
>> Berries are likely first of that group, are more common than
>> fruits, esp. the modern, large-pulp varieties, and several will
>> produce all season.
>> However one wonders if Adam actually ate apple or got plonked on
>> natural cider (cf. Frost's "The Cow in Apple-Time"), hence the
>> Injunction.
>>
>> However, the most-likely "first" is one of the known root-starches.
>> The earliest under cultivation were various water-lilies (lotus,
>> e.g.) in the Tigris, Nile, Indus, etc.
>> What makes it difficult is that written records postdate Jericho,
>> and that the materials of undistilled booze are ephemeral and the
>> tools common pots, obviating archeological evidence.
>
>I can't believe our distant African forebears didn't take careful notice
>of the elephants getting fried on fermented fruit . . . .

oh, im sure they did. but theres a difference between finding
something like that in nature and actually being able to create it on
your own.

--
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<This space for rent.>

 

On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:03:19 -0800, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
wrote:

>On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:18:51 -0500, in the land of
>alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom <DaVe@MeOw.OrG>
>got double secret probation for writing:
>
>>On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:21:23 GMT, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:22:01 GMT, in
>>>alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, Aratzio
>>><a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> bloviated:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>http://www.mercurynews.com/foodheadlines/ci_8311983
>>>>
>>>>Hop and Barley prices have increased dramatically, price for *good*
>>>>beer is going up. Bud-water and Curs unaffected.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Who cares about the history of beer you tards, the future of beer is
>>>EXPENSIVE! We must do something now. We must form a working group to
>>>discuss the ramificatios of the price and the negative impact by said
>>>price with respect to our daily budgets. What must we trim from our
>>>budget to insure an adequate BEER supply. Is there a Beer Futures
>>>market where we can make long term strategic buys to lock in current
>>>prices in the very changing Beer financial market.
>>>
>>>Stop discussing history, start planning the future.
>>>
>>>TAKE BACK OUR BEER!
>>
>>theyre selling six packs of schlitz malt liquor at the quickie mart
>>for $3.99.
>
>They still make Shitz?

dunno, but the strohs brewery certainly makes quite a bit of malt
liquor.

--
dave hillstrom mhm15x4 zrbj

<This space for rent.>

 

On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 19:43:28 -0500, dave hillstrom wrote:

> On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:36:31 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 06:15:37 -0600, Dennis M. Hammes wrote:
>>
>>> dave hillstrom wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:04:48 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:54:59 -0600, TheBookman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:07:23 -0500, dave hillstrom wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:15:36 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:09:26 +0000, Aratzio wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:24:05 -0500, in
>>>>>>>>>alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom <DaVe@MeOw.OrG>
>>>>>>>>>bloviated:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:22:01 GMT, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.mercurynews.com/foodheadlines/ci_8311983
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Hop and Barley prices have increased dramatically, price for *good*
>>>>>>>>>>>beer is going up. Bud-water and Curs unaffected.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>good thing i brew my own fermented beverages.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>And the cost is going up, IF you can get the good hops anymore.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You can substitute several things for hops with good results, including
>>>>>>>>catnip and pot.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Not to mention all the horrible other things you can wrestle into the
>>>>>>>>boil-bags.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>indeed. hops were not used in beer until rather recently, i believe
>>>>>>>between 700 AD and 1,000 AD. before that, they used all kinds of
>>>>>>>stuff, including hot red pepper.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Unless you're referring to red peppecorns (unlikely or at least very
>>>>>>uncommon, IMO, given the expense), red (chile) peppers cannot have been
>>>>>>used to flavor beer before 1492CE, since they originated from the "New
>>>>>>World", along with potatoes and tomatoes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>HTH.
>>>>>
>>>>>Didn't, like, the Toltecs or Olmecs or anyone brew beer?
>>>>
>>>> sure they did.
>>>>
>>>> everyone brewed beer of some sort.
>>>>
>>>> although its still somewhat up in the air about whether beer, wine, or
>>>> mead were first on the human fermentables calendar. the probability
>>>> is beer or mead, which ferment far faster than wine, but who knows?
>>>> were talking like 8000 BC or more back in history.
>>>
>>> Right, and cereal grains date back only to 5000 BCE and the founding
>>> of Jericho around the discovery of Emmer wheat, or 3000> BCE and rice
>>> in the Orient.
>>>
>>> Honey is relatively rare (until commercial hay-fields) and incurs
>>> some difficulty in the harvest, particulary for a people without
>>> ready (made from scratch) fire. Honey is also self-preserving, and
>>> will not ferment unless diluted and forced.
>>> Berries are likely first of that group, are more common than
>>> fruits, esp. the modern, large-pulp varieties, and several will
>>> produce all season.
>>> However one wonders if Adam actually ate apple or got plonked on
>>> natural cider (cf. Frost's "The Cow in Apple-Time"), hence the
>>> Injunction.
>>>
>>> However, the most-likely "first" is one of the known root-starches.
>>> The earliest under cultivation were various water-lilies (lotus,
>>> e.g.) in the Tigris, Nile, Indus, etc.
>>> What makes it difficult is that written records postdate Jericho,
>>> and that the materials of undistilled booze are ephemeral and the
>>> tools common pots, obviating archeological evidence.
>>
>>I can't believe our distant African forebears didn't take careful notice
>>of the elephants getting fried on fermented fruit . . . .
>
> oh, im sure they did. but theres a difference between finding
> something like that in nature and actually being able to create it on
> your own.

"Srb subscribed to a theory of great antiquity concerning the foundation
of civilization, a theory beyond proof, but sufficiently within the bounds
of possibility to merit endorsement. Civilization depends on stable
living conditions for populations of some size that will allow them to
build, invent, coin, keep records, and stock supplies for making war.
Civilization in this sense is not possible for migrant populations, that
is, populations whose staff of life is roots, berries and wild animal
carcasses, the search for which keeps them eternally on the move.
Civilization is the offspring of the invention of agriculture. But why
did man take up agriculture? Not to allow himself to build, invent, coin,
keep records, and stock rocks. That could not be foreseen. No, the
invention of agriculture was to save men trouble in collecting the
wherewithal for making beer. And when he drank beer, which he liked to
do, Srb relished the thought that he was secretly preserving civilization."

< Alexi Panshin, _Star Well_

--
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smeeter 11 or maybe 12

mp 10

mhm 29x13

A hopeful thought to carry with you down the toilet.

< _Gravity's Rainbow_

 

On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 19:47:01 -0500, in the land of
alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom <DaVe@MeOw.OrG>
got double secret probation for writing:

>On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:03:19 -0800, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:18:51 -0500, in the land of
>>alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom <DaVe@MeOw.OrG>
>>got double secret probation for writing:
>>
>>>On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:21:23 GMT, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:22:01 GMT, in
>>>>alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, Aratzio
>>>><a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> bloviated:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.mercurynews.com/foodheadlines/ci_8311983
>>>>>
>>>>>Hop and Barley prices have increased dramatically, price for *good*
>>>>>beer is going up. Bud-water and Curs unaffected.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Who cares about the history of beer you tards, the future of beer is
>>>>EXPENSIVE! We must do something now. We must form a working group to
>>>>discuss the ramificatios of the price and the negative impact by said
>>>>price with respect to our daily budgets. What must we trim from our
>>>>budget to insure an adequate BEER supply. Is there a Beer Futures
>>>>market where we can make long term strategic buys to lock in current
>>>>prices in the very changing Beer financial market.
>>>>
>>>>Stop discussing history, start planning the future.
>>>>
>>>>TAKE BACK OUR BEER!
>>>
>>>theyre selling six packs of schlitz malt liquor at the quickie mart
>>>for $3.99.
>>
>>They still make Shitz?
>
>dunno, but the strohs brewery certainly makes quite a bit of malt
>liquor.

You do know Strohs spelled backwrds is Shorts

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On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:13:14 -0800, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
wrote:

>On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 19:47:01 -0500, in the land of
>alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom <DaVe@MeOw.OrG>
>got double secret probation for writing:
>
>>On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:03:19 -0800, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:18:51 -0500, in the land of
>>>alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom <DaVe@MeOw.OrG>
>>>got double secret probation for writing:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:21:23 GMT, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:22:01 GMT, in
>>>>>alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, Aratzio
>>>>><a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> bloviated:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.mercurynews.com/foodheadlines/ci_8311983
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hop and Barley prices have increased dramatically, price for *good*
>>>>>>beer is going up. Bud-water and Curs unaffected.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Who cares about the history of beer you tards, the future of beer is
>>>>>EXPENSIVE! We must do something now. We must form a working group to
>>>>>discuss the ramificatios of the price and the negative impact by said
>>>>>price with respect to our daily budgets. What must we trim from our
>>>>>budget to insure an adequate BEER supply. Is there a Beer Futures
>>>>>market where we can make long term strategic buys to lock in current
>>>>>prices in the very changing Beer financial market.
>>>>>
>>>>>Stop discussing history, start planning the future.
>>>>>
>>>>>TAKE BACK OUR BEER!
>>>>
>>>>theyre selling six packs of schlitz malt liquor at the quickie mart
>>>>for $3.99.
>>>
>>>They still make Shitz?
>>
>>dunno, but the strohs brewery certainly makes quite a bit of malt
>>liquor.
>
>You do know Strohs spelled backwrds is Shorts

which is fine with me. filtering through the undies of the dallas
cheerleaders would be a grand sales point.

--
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<This space for rent.>

 

On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:46:33 -0500, in the land of
alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom <DaVe@MeOw.OrG>
got double secret probation for writing:

>On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:13:14 -0800, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 19:47:01 -0500, in the land of
>>alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom <DaVe@MeOw.OrG>
>>got double secret probation for writing:
>>
>>>On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:03:19 -0800, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:18:51 -0500, in the land of
>>>>alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom <DaVe@MeOw.OrG>
>>>>got double secret probation for writing:
>>>>
>>>>>On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:21:23 GMT, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:22:01 GMT, in
>>>>>>alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, Aratzio
>>>>>><a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> bloviated:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>http://www.mercurynews.com/foodheadlines/ci_8311983
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hop and Barley prices have increased dramatically, price for *good*
>>>>>>>beer is going up. Bud-water and Curs unaffected.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Who cares about the history of beer you tards, the future of beer is
>>>>>>EXPENSIVE! We must do something now. We must form a working group to
>>>>>>discuss the ramificatios of the price and the negative impact by said
>>>>>>price with respect to our daily budgets. What must we trim from our
>>>>>>budget to insure an adequate BEER supply. Is there a Beer Futures
>>>>>>market where we can make long term strategic buys to lock in current
>>>>>>prices in the very changing Beer financial market.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Stop discussing history, start planning the future.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>TAKE BACK OUR BEER!
>>>>>
>>>>>theyre selling six packs of schlitz malt liquor at the quickie mart
>>>>>for $3.99.
>>>>
>>>>They still make Shitz?
>>>
>>>dunno, but the strohs brewery certainly makes quite a bit of malt
>>>liquor.
>>
>>You do know Strohs spelled backwrds is Shorts
>
>which is fine with me. filtering through the undies of the dallas
>cheerleaders would be a grand sales point.

Strohs is from Chicago, yer prolly gettin the Chicago Bears, not
thecheerleaders.

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