THE Humanity! Beer Prices Going UP

On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:05:24 -0600, BostonBlackie?
<gangster@hell-flame-wars.org> wrote:

>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:24:05 -0500, dave hillstrom <DaVe@MeOw.OrG>
>employed an infinite number of monkeys on an infinite number of
>typewriter to say:
>
>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:22:01 GMT, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>http://www.mercurynews.com/foodheadlines/ci_8311983
>>>
>>>Hop and Barley prices have increased dramatically, price for *good*
>>>beer is going up. Bud-water and Curs unaffected.
>>
>>good thing i brew my own fermented beverages.
>
>If you harvest your own hops and cure them in a smoker, you'll have
>something like this
>
>http://www.schlenkerla.de/rauchbier/beschreibunge.html

mmmmmmmmmmmm

mabye i should look into getting whole hops instead of pellets some
time, and give that a try.

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On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:06:39 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:10:55 -0500, dave hillstrom wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:55:57 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:24:05 -0500, dave hillstrom wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:22:01 GMT, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> http://www.mercurynews.com/foodheadlines/ci_8311983
>>>>>
>>>>> Hop and Barley prices have increased dramatically, price for *good*
>>>>> beer is going up. Bud-water and Curs unaffected.
>>>>
>>>> good thing i brew my own fermented beverages.
>>>
>>> Get some torula yeast and you can brew beer from sawdust.
>>>
>>> I imagine pine-beer would be kinda gin-like.
>>
>> probably. though im not sure id call it beer, as it was not made with
>> grains.
>>
>> beer: made from grains.
>> wine: made from fruits.
>> mead: made from honey.
>
><ponder>
>
>So what's it called when it's made from sawdust?
>
>Woody?

my question exactly.

i think id have to taste it before i named it.

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On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:54:59 -0600, TheBookman
<TheBookman@kc.rr.comNULL> wrote:

>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:07:23 -0500, dave hillstrom wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:15:36 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:09:26 +0000, Aratzio wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:24:05 -0500, in
>>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom <DaVe@MeOw.OrG>
>>>> bloviated:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:22:01 GMT, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.mercurynews.com/foodheadlines/ci_8311983
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hop and Barley prices have increased dramatically, price for *good*
>>>>>>beer is going up. Bud-water and Curs unaffected.
>>>>>
>>>>>good thing i brew my own fermented beverages.
>>>>
>>>> And the cost is going up, IF you can get the good hops anymore.
>>>
>>>You can substitute several things for hops with good results, including
>>>catnip and pot.
>>>
>>>Not to mention all the horrible other things you can wrestle into the
>>>boil-bags.
>>
>> indeed. hops were not used in beer until rather recently, i believe
>> between 700 AD and 1,000 AD. before that, they used all kinds of
>> stuff, including hot red pepper.
>
>Unless you're referring to red peppecorns (unlikely or at least very
>uncommon, IMO, given the expense), red (chile) peppers cannot have been
>used to flavor beer before 1492CE, since they originated from the "New
>World", along with potatoes and tomatoes.
>
>HTH.

theres mention of capsicum in the beer records, though ill admit i
dont know where it originates. certainly there were similar types in
southeast asia, but im not really sure about africa and europe.

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On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:07:04 -0600, TheBookman
<TheBookman@kc.rr.comNULL> wrote:

>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:05:24 -0600, BostonBlackie? wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:24:05 -0500, dave hillstrom <DaVe@MeOw.OrG>
>> employed an infinite number of monkeys on an infinite number of
>> typewriter to say:
>>
>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:22:01 GMT, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>http://www.mercurynews.com/foodheadlines/ci_8311983
>>>>
>>>>Hop and Barley prices have increased dramatically, price for *good*
>>>>beer is going up. Bud-water and Curs unaffected.
>>>
>>>good thing i brew my own fermented beverages.
>>
>> If you harvest your own hops and cure them in a smoker, you'll have
>> something like this
>>
>> http://www.schlenkerla.de/rauchbier/beschreibunge.html
>
>I was told by the brewmaster at a local microbrewery that Germans tended to
>settle in regions in the US where wild hops grew. HTH.

makes perfect sense to me.

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On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 20:33:35 -0500, dave hillstrom wrote:

> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:54:59 -0600, TheBookman
> <TheBookman@kc.rr.comNULL> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:07:23 -0500, dave hillstrom wrote:
>>

>>>
>>> indeed. hops were not used in beer until rather recently, i believe
>>> between 700 AD and 1,000 AD. before that, they used all kinds of
>>> stuff, including hot red pepper.
>>
>>Unless you're referring to red peppecorns (unlikely or at least very
>>uncommon, IMO, given the expense), red (chile) peppers cannot have been
>>used to flavor beer before 1492CE, since they originated from the "New
>>World", along with potatoes and tomatoes.
>>
>>HTH.
>
> theres mention of capsicum in the beer records, though ill admit i
> dont know where it originates. certainly there were similar types in
> southeast asia, but im not really sure about africa and europe.

Well, ripened /piper nigrum/ (i.e. red peppercorns, IIRC) as a beer
flovoring in SE Asia is much more likely, since that was one of the primary
sources, if not _the_ primary source. OTOH, I dunno how much barley they
could have access to, in that time & place.

As for capsicum (aka chile peppers), after discovery by Colombus (he set
out in _search_ of pepper, why do you think he called them "peppers"?
Marketing & Damage Control, of course!), the Portugese were most
responsible for spreading chile peppers throughout Asia, Africa & Spain.

Asia primarily for trading purposes, but Afica was along the way, so it
made sense to spread a possibly valuable commodity there, as well - if it
took, they'd have closer trading stops, as well.

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On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 20:37:38 -0600, TheBookman
<TheBookman@kc.rr.comNULL> wrote:

>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 20:33:35 -0500, dave hillstrom wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:54:59 -0600, TheBookman
>> <TheBookman@kc.rr.comNULL> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:07:23 -0500, dave hillstrom wrote:
>>>
>
>>>>
>>>> indeed. hops were not used in beer until rather recently, i believe
>>>> between 700 AD and 1,000 AD. before that, they used all kinds of
>>>> stuff, including hot red pepper.
>>>
>>>Unless you're referring to red peppecorns (unlikely or at least very
>>>uncommon, IMO, given the expense), red (chile) peppers cannot have been
>>>used to flavor beer before 1492CE, since they originated from the "New
>>>World", along with potatoes and tomatoes.
>>>
>>>HTH.
>>
>> theres mention of capsicum in the beer records, though ill admit i
>> dont know where it originates. certainly there were similar types in
>> southeast asia, but im not really sure about africa and europe.
>
>Well, ripened /piper nigrum/ (i.e. red peppercorns, IIRC) as a beer
>flovoring in SE Asia is much more likely, since that was one of the primary
>sources, if not _the_ primary source. OTOH, I dunno how much barley they
>could have access to, in that time & place.
>
>As for capsicum (aka chile peppers), after discovery by Colombus (he set
>out in _search_ of pepper, why do you think he called them "peppers"?
>Marketing & Damage Control, of course!), the Portugese were most
>responsible for spreading chile peppers throughout Asia, Africa & Spain.
>
>Asia primarily for trading purposes, but Afica was along the way, so it
>made sense to spread a possibly valuable commodity there, as well - if it
>took, they'd have closer trading stops, as well.

all i know is that there is much reference prior to the hops age of
using pepper in beer. it was said to give a "warm glow" to the
patrons who drank it. now, black pepper wouldnt be such a stretch, i
imagine...

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On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:54:59 -0600, TheBookman wrote:

> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:07:23 -0500, dave hillstrom wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:15:36 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:09:26 +0000, Aratzio wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:24:05 -0500, in
>>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom <DaVe@MeOw.OrG>
>>>> bloviated:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:22:01 GMT, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.mercurynews.com/foodheadlines/ci_8311983
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hop and Barley prices have increased dramatically, price for *good*
>>>>>>beer is going up. Bud-water and Curs unaffected.
>>>>>
>>>>>good thing i brew my own fermented beverages.
>>>>
>>>> And the cost is going up, IF you can get the good hops anymore.
>>>
>>>You can substitute several things for hops with good results, including
>>>catnip and pot.
>>>
>>>Not to mention all the horrible other things you can wrestle into the
>>>boil-bags.
>>
>> indeed. hops were not used in beer until rather recently, i believe
>> between 700 AD and 1,000 AD. before that, they used all kinds of
>> stuff, including hot red pepper.
>
> Unless you're referring to red peppecorns (unlikely or at least very
> uncommon, IMO, given the expense), red (chile) peppers cannot have been
> used to flavor beer before 1492CE, since they originated from the "New
> World", along with potatoes and tomatoes.
>
> HTH.

Didn't, like, the Toltecs or Olmecs or anyone brew beer?

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On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 20:29:13 -0500, dave hillstrom wrote:

> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:06:39 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:10:55 -0500, dave hillstrom wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:55:57 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:24:05 -0500, dave hillstrom wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:22:01 GMT, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.mercurynews.com/foodheadlines/ci_8311983
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hop and Barley prices have increased dramatically, price for *good*
>>>>>> beer is going up. Bud-water and Curs unaffected.
>>>>>
>>>>> good thing i brew my own fermented beverages.
>>>>
>>>> Get some torula yeast and you can brew beer from sawdust.
>>>>
>>>> I imagine pine-beer would be kinda gin-like.
>>>
>>> probably. though im not sure id call it beer, as it was not made with
>>> grains.
>>>
>>> beer: made from grains.
>>> wine: made from fruits.
>>> mead: made from honey.
>>
>> <ponder>
>>
>> So what's it called when it's made from sawdust?
>>
>> Woody?
>
> my question exactly.
>
> i think id have to taste it before i named it.

I dunno, I kind of like the sound of "Ahhh, that was a proper pint of
woody, that was!"

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On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:04:48 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:54:59 -0600, TheBookman wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:07:23 -0500, dave hillstrom wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:15:36 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:09:26 +0000, Aratzio wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:24:05 -0500, in
>>>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom <DaVe@MeOw.OrG>
>>>>> bloviated:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:22:01 GMT, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>http://www.mercurynews.com/foodheadlines/ci_8311983
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hop and Barley prices have increased dramatically, price for *good*
>>>>>>>beer is going up. Bud-water and Curs unaffected.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>good thing i brew my own fermented beverages.
>>>>>
>>>>> And the cost is going up, IF you can get the good hops anymore.
>>>>
>>>>You can substitute several things for hops with good results, including
>>>>catnip and pot.
>>>>
>>>>Not to mention all the horrible other things you can wrestle into the
>>>>boil-bags.
>>>
>>> indeed. hops were not used in beer until rather recently, i believe
>>> between 700 AD and 1,000 AD. before that, they used all kinds of
>>> stuff, including hot red pepper.
>>
>> Unless you're referring to red peppecorns (unlikely or at least very
>> uncommon, IMO, given the expense), red (chile) peppers cannot have been
>> used to flavor beer before 1492CE, since they originated from the "New
>> World", along with potatoes and tomatoes.
>>
>> HTH.
>
>Didn't, like, the Toltecs or Olmecs or anyone brew beer?

sure they did.

everyone brewed beer of some sort.

although its still somewhat up in the air about whether beer, wine, or
mead were first on the human fermentables calendar. the probability
is beer or mead, which ferment far faster than wine, but who knows?
were talking like 8000 BC or more back in history.

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On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:10:10 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 20:29:13 -0500, dave hillstrom wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:06:39 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:10:55 -0500, dave hillstrom wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:55:57 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:24:05 -0500, dave hillstrom wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:22:01 GMT, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.mercurynews.com/foodheadlines/ci_8311983
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hop and Barley prices have increased dramatically, price for *good*
>>>>>>> beer is going up. Bud-water and Curs unaffected.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> good thing i brew my own fermented beverages.
>>>>>
>>>>> Get some torula yeast and you can brew beer from sawdust.
>>>>>
>>>>> I imagine pine-beer would be kinda gin-like.
>>>>
>>>> probably. though im not sure id call it beer, as it was not made with
>>>> grains.
>>>>
>>>> beer: made from grains.
>>>> wine: made from fruits.
>>>> mead: made from honey.
>>>
>>> <ponder>
>>>
>>> So what's it called when it's made from sawdust?
>>>
>>> Woody?
>>
>> my question exactly.
>>
>> i think id have to taste it before i named it.
>
>I dunno, I kind of like the sound of "Ahhh, that was a proper pint of
>woody, that was!"

the mind boggles.

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On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:38:20 -0500, in the land of
alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom <DaVe@MeOw.OrG>
got double secret probation for writing:

>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:24:48 -0800, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:01:55 -0500, in the land of
>>alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom <DaVe@MeOw.OrG>
>>got double secret probation for writing:
>>
>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:09:26 GMT, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:24:05 -0500, in
>>>>alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom <DaVe@MeOw.OrG>
>>>>bloviated:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:22:01 GMT, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.mercurynews.com/foodheadlines/ci_8311983
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hop and Barley prices have increased dramatically, price for *good*
>>>>>>beer is going up. Bud-water and Curs unaffected.
>>>>>
>>>>>good thing i brew my own fermented beverages.
>>>>
>>>>And the cost is going up, IF you can get the good hops anymore.
>>>
>>>which is why MEAD is so appealing now! hah! NO HOPS!!!!!
>>
>>Yeah, honey is going up faster than the hops, what with all the bees
>>dying off.
>
>a world without flowers and their fruits would be a tragedy indeed.

Yeah, all the dead people would smell

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On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:08:06 -0500, in the land of
alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
got double secret probation for writing:

>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:25:33 -0800, Aratzio wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:10:55 -0500, in the land of
>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom <DaVe@MeOw.OrG>
>> got double secret probation for writing:
>>
>>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:55:57 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:24:05 -0500, dave hillstrom wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:22:01 GMT, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.mercurynews.com/foodheadlines/ci_8311983
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hop and Barley prices have increased dramatically, price for *good*
>>>>>> beer is going up. Bud-water and Curs unaffected.
>>>>>
>>>>> good thing i brew my own fermented beverages.
>>>>
>>>> Get some torula yeast and you can brew beer from sawdust.
>>>>
>>>> I imagine pine-beer would be kinda gin-like.
>>>
>>> probably. though im not sure id call it beer, as it was not made with
>>> grains.
>>>
>>> beer: made from grains.
>>> wine: made from fruits.
>>> mead: made from honey.
>>
>> Bee Spit is spelt wrong.
>
>I never see that expression without having a flashback to _Married with
>Children_ . . . .

Not MWC think Rhea Perlman as Carla

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On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:16:02 -0800, Aratzio wrote:

> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:08:06 -0500, in the land of
> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
> got double secret probation for writing:
>
>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:25:33 -0800, Aratzio wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:10:55 -0500, in the land of
>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom <DaVe@MeOw.OrG>
>>> got double secret probation for writing:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:55:57 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:24:05 -0500, dave hillstrom wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:22:01 GMT, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.mercurynews.com/foodheadlines/ci_8311983
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hop and Barley prices have increased dramatically, price for *good*
>>>>>>> beer is going up. Bud-water and Curs unaffected.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> good thing i brew my own fermented beverages.
>>>>>
>>>>> Get some torula yeast and you can brew beer from sawdust.
>>>>>
>>>>> I imagine pine-beer would be kinda gin-like.
>>>>
>>>> probably. though im not sure id call it beer, as it was not made with
>>>> grains.
>>>>
>>>> beer: made from grains.
>>>> wine: made from fruits.
>>>> mead: made from honey.
>>>
>>> Bee Spit is spelt wrong.
>>
>>I never see that expression without having a flashback to _Married with
>>Children_ . . . .
>
> Not MWC think Rhea Perlman as Carla

I'd rather flash back to Christina Applegate TYVM.

Even if that is a bit on the pedo side.

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On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:10:10 -0500, in the land of
alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
got double secret probation for writing:

>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 20:29:13 -0500, dave hillstrom wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:06:39 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:10:55 -0500, dave hillstrom wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:55:57 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:24:05 -0500, dave hillstrom wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:22:01 GMT, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.mercurynews.com/foodheadlines/ci_8311983
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hop and Barley prices have increased dramatically, price for *good*
>>>>>>> beer is going up. Bud-water and Curs unaffected.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> good thing i brew my own fermented beverages.
>>>>>
>>>>> Get some torula yeast and you can brew beer from sawdust.
>>>>>
>>>>> I imagine pine-beer would be kinda gin-like.
>>>>
>>>> probably. though im not sure id call it beer, as it was not made with
>>>> grains.
>>>>
>>>> beer: made from grains.
>>>> wine: made from fruits.
>>>> mead: made from honey.
>>>
>>> <ponder>
>>>
>>> So what's it called when it's made from sawdust?
>>>
>>> Woody?
>>
>> my question exactly.
>>
>> i think id have to taste it before i named it.
>
>I dunno, I kind of like the sound of "Ahhh, that was a proper pint of
>woody, that was!"

Mimus and Euell Gibbons

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On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:21:31 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:16:02 -0800, Aratzio wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:08:06 -0500, in the land of
>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
>> got double secret probation for writing:
>>
>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:25:33 -0800, Aratzio wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:10:55 -0500, in the land of
>>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom <DaVe@MeOw.OrG>
>>>> got double secret probation for writing:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:55:57 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:24:05 -0500, dave hillstrom wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:22:01 GMT, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.mercurynews.com/foodheadlines/ci_8311983
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hop and Barley prices have increased dramatically, price for *good*
>>>>>>>> beer is going up. Bud-water and Curs unaffected.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> good thing i brew my own fermented beverages.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Get some torula yeast and you can brew beer from sawdust.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I imagine pine-beer would be kinda gin-like.
>>>>>
>>>>> probably. though im not sure id call it beer, as it was not made with
>>>>> grains.
>>>>>
>>>>> beer: made from grains.
>>>>> wine: made from fruits.
>>>>> mead: made from honey.
>>>>
>>>> Bee Spit is spelt wrong.
>>>
>>>I never see that expression without having a flashback to _Married with
>>>Children_ . . . .
>>
>> Not MWC think Rhea Perlman as Carla
>
>I'd rather flash back to Christina Applegate TYVM.
>
>Even if that is a bit on the pedo side.

not. she was HAWT.

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On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:04:48 -0500, mimus wrote:

> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:54:59 -0600, TheBookman wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:07:23 -0500, dave hillstrom wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:15:36 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:09:26 +0000, Aratzio wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:24:05 -0500, in
>>>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom <DaVe@MeOw.OrG>
>>>>> bloviated:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:22:01 GMT, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>http://www.mercurynews.com/foodheadlines/ci_8311983
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hop and Barley prices have increased dramatically, price for *good*
>>>>>>>beer is going up. Bud-water and Curs unaffected.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>good thing i brew my own fermented beverages.
>>>>>
>>>>> And the cost is going up, IF you can get the good hops anymore.
>>>>
>>>>You can substitute several things for hops with good results, including
>>>>catnip and pot.
>>>>
>>>>Not to mention all the horrible other things you can wrestle into the
>>>>boil-bags.
>>>
>>> indeed. hops were not used in beer until rather recently, i believe
>>> between 700 AD and 1,000 AD. before that, they used all kinds of
>>> stuff, including hot red pepper.
>>
>> Unless you're referring to red peppecorns (unlikely or at least very
>> uncommon, IMO, given the expense), red (chile) peppers cannot have been
>> used to flavor beer before 1492CE, since they originated from the "New
>> World", along with potatoes and tomatoes.
>>
>> HTH.
>
> Didn't, like, the Toltecs or Olmecs or anyone brew beer?

Tah Olmecs, IIRC, made a mildly alcoholic, very thin, gruel from maize (aka
field corn here in the States). I suppose you could cll that "beer", but I
wouldn't.

Chocolate, OTOH, was popular in that region, and was another thing imported
from the "new world". As I recall it, chiles were used in flavoring that.
It's not like they had sugar cane, or even honeybees for sweeteners, as
those were introduced from the "old world".

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On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 21:54:54 -0600, TheBookman
<TheBookman@kc.rr.comNULL> wrote:

>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:04:48 -0500, mimus wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:54:59 -0600, TheBookman wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:07:23 -0500, dave hillstrom wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:15:36 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:09:26 +0000, Aratzio wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:24:05 -0500, in
>>>>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom <DaVe@MeOw.OrG>
>>>>>> bloviated:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:22:01 GMT, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>http://www.mercurynews.com/foodheadlines/ci_8311983
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hop and Barley prices have increased dramatically, price for *good*
>>>>>>>>beer is going up. Bud-water and Curs unaffected.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>good thing i brew my own fermented beverages.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And the cost is going up, IF you can get the good hops anymore.
>>>>>
>>>>>You can substitute several things for hops with good results, including
>>>>>catnip and pot.
>>>>>
>>>>>Not to mention all the horrible other things you can wrestle into the
>>>>>boil-bags.
>>>>
>>>> indeed. hops were not used in beer until rather recently, i believe
>>>> between 700 AD and 1,000 AD. before that, they used all kinds of
>>>> stuff, including hot red pepper.
>>>
>>> Unless you're referring to red peppecorns (unlikely or at least very
>>> uncommon, IMO, given the expense), red (chile) peppers cannot have been
>>> used to flavor beer before 1492CE, since they originated from the "New
>>> World", along with potatoes and tomatoes.
>>>
>>> HTH.
>>
>> Didn't, like, the Toltecs or Olmecs or anyone brew beer?
>
>Tah Olmecs, IIRC, made a mildly alcoholic, very thin, gruel from maize (aka
>field corn here in the States). I suppose you could cll that "beer", but I
>wouldn't.

anything made from predominantly grain i would call beer. hell, more
than half the grain in budweiser is rice grains, not that id call it a
fine beer. and id call corn kernels to be much more grain-like than
anything else.

beer: made from grain.
wine: made from fruit.
mead: made from honey.

>Chocolate, OTOH, was popular in that region, and was another thing imported
>from the "new world". As I recall it, chiles were used in flavoring that.
>It's not like they had sugar cane, or even honeybees for sweeteners, as
>those were introduced from the "old world".
>
>ESL!

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Aratzio wrote:

> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:10:10 -0500, in the land of
> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
> got double secret probation for writing:
>
>
>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 20:29:13 -0500, dave hillstrom wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:06:39 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:10:55 -0500, dave hillstrom wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:55:57 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:24:05 -0500, dave hillstrom wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:22:01 GMT, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>http://www.mercurynews.com/foodheadlines/ci_8311983
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hop and Barley prices have increased dramatically, price for *good*
>>>>>>>>beer is going up. Bud-water and Curs unaffected.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>good thing i brew my own fermented beverages.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Get some torula yeast and you can brew beer from sawdust.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I imagine pine-beer would be kinda gin-like.
>>>>>
>>>>>probably. though im not sure id call it beer, as it was not made with
>>>>>grains.
>>>>>
>>>>>beer: made from grains.
>>>>>wine: made from fruits.
>>>>>mead: made from honey.
>>>>
>>>><ponder>
>>>>
>>>>So what's it called when it's made from sawdust?
>>>>
>>>>Woody?
>>>
>>>my question exactly.
>>>
>>>i think id have to taste it before i named it.
>>
>>I dunno, I kind of like the sound of "Ahhh, that was a proper pint of
>>woody, that was!"
>
>
> Mimus and Euell Gibbons
>

Gibbons isn't dead, you know.
He ate so many pine trees he turned into a Euell Log.

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TheBookman wrote:

> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 20:33:35 -0500, dave hillstrom wrote:
>
>
>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:54:59 -0600, TheBookman
>><TheBookman@kc.rr.comNULL> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:07:23 -0500, dave hillstrom wrote:
>>>
>
>
>>>>indeed. hops were not used in beer until rather recently, i believe
>>>>between 700 AD and 1,000 AD. before that, they used all kinds of
>>>>stuff, including hot red pepper.
>>>
>>>Unless you're referring to red peppecorns (unlikely or at least very
>>>uncommon, IMO, given the expense), red (chile) peppers cannot have been
>>>used to flavor beer before 1492CE, since they originated from the "New
>>>World", along with potatoes and tomatoes.
>>>
>>>HTH.
>>
>>theres mention of capsicum in the beer records, though ill admit i
>>dont know where it originates. certainly there were similar types in
>>southeast asia, but im not really sure about africa and europe.
>
>
> Well, ripened /piper nigrum/ (i.e. red peppercorns, IIRC) as a beer
> flovoring in SE Asia is much more likely, since that was one of the primary
> sources, if not _the_ primary source. OTOH, I dunno how much barley they
> could have access to, in that time & place.


Wouldn't matter. Asian beer (/sake/) is made from rice.
(Called "rice wine" here merely because they let the alcohol kill
the yeast and don't water it, ~16-18% depending on the yeast.)

>
> As for capsicum (aka chile peppers), after discovery by Colombus (he set
> out in _search_ of pepper, why do you think he called them "peppers"?
> Marketing & Damage Control, of course!), the Portugese were most
> responsible for spreading chile peppers throughout Asia, Africa & Spain.
>
> Asia primarily for trading purposes, but Afica was along the way, so it
> made sense to spread a possibly valuable commodity there, as well - if it
> took, they'd have closer trading stops, as well.
>
> ESL!
>
>


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dave hillstrom wrote:

> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:04:48 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:54:59 -0600, TheBookman wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:07:23 -0500, dave hillstrom wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:15:36 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:09:26 +0000, Aratzio wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:24:05 -0500, in
>>>>>>alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom <DaVe@MeOw.OrG>
>>>>>>bloviated:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:22:01 GMT, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>http://www.mercurynews.com/foodheadlines/ci_8311983
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hop and Barley prices have increased dramatically, price for *good*
>>>>>>>>beer is going up. Bud-water and Curs unaffected.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>good thing i brew my own fermented beverages.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And the cost is going up, IF you can get the good hops anymore.
>>>>>
>>>>>You can substitute several things for hops with good results, including
>>>>>catnip and pot.
>>>>>
>>>>>Not to mention all the horrible other things you can wrestle into the
>>>>>boil-bags.
>>>>
>>>>indeed. hops were not used in beer until rather recently, i believe
>>>>between 700 AD and 1,000 AD. before that, they used all kinds of
>>>>stuff, including hot red pepper.
>>>
>>>Unless you're referring to red peppecorns (unlikely or at least very
>>>uncommon, IMO, given the expense), red (chile) peppers cannot have been
>>>used to flavor beer before 1492CE, since they originated from the "New
>>>World", along with potatoes and tomatoes.
>>>
>>>HTH.
>>
>>Didn't, like, the Toltecs or Olmecs or anyone brew beer?
>
>
> sure they did.
>
> everyone brewed beer of some sort.
>
> although its still somewhat up in the air about whether beer, wine, or
> mead were first on the human fermentables calendar. the probability
> is beer or mead, which ferment far faster than wine, but who knows?
> were talking like 8000 BC or more back in history.
>

Right, and cereal grains date back only to 5000 BCE and the founding
of Jericho around the discovery of Emmer wheat, or 3000> BCE and rice
in the Orient.

Honey is relatively rare (until commercial hay-fields) and incurs
some difficulty in the harvest, particulary for a people without
ready (made from scratch) fire. Honey is also self-preserving, and
will not ferment unless diluted and forced.
Berries are likely first of that group, are more common than
fruits, esp. the modern, large-pulp varieties, and several will
produce all season.
However one wonders if Adam actually ate apple or got plonked on
natural cider (cf. Frost's "The Cow in Apple-Time"), hence the
Injunction.

However, the most-likely "first" is one of the known root-starches.
The earliest under cultivation were various water-lilies (lotus,
e.g.) in the Tigris, Nile, Indus, etc.
What makes it difficult is that written records postdate Jericho,
and that the materials of undistilled booze are ephemeral and the
tools common pots, obviating archeological evidence.

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