The Death Penalty

I certainly haven't forgotten it and I doubt most Americans have forgotten it. I think our elected officals and big business have a bit of amnesia on the subject though. I think the current representatives in congress need to be tossed and never allowed to be re-elected. The culture or cycle of corruption needs to be broken. Is this really going to happen? No way in H-E-double-toothpicks!

 

Vote for McCain.

 

Danr The IRA were not the good guy's they were and still are IMHO a bunch of murdering cowerdly thugs, there is nothing romantic or gallent about planting a bomb in a pub or shooting a police officer in front of his family or drilling through someones kneecap.
What a lot of people tend to forget is that in 1969 the British Army went into Ulster to Protect the Catholic population from attack by Protestants they were met with thanks and joy by the Catholic population until the IRA decided to start it's war.
Just in case anyone thinks I am biased I would also like to include the Protestant Terrorists (And there were many) in my description of Cowerdly Murdering thugs.
I can still not condone my Goverments decision to free these people they should rot in prison for life.

De Orc

 

Well De Orc you are alot closer to what is going on then we are but it amazes me how some people in this nation think that the terrorists are the good guys.
Tell me is the price of real estate in Ireland still zooming.

 

Price of real estate across the UK is still on the up but we are begining to see case of negative equity appearing which is bad.

De Orc

 

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Our founding fathers could be spun as terrorists. As for killing innocents Nobody has as much blood on their hands an the USA.

 

The term, "terrorist" or terrorism actually has a fairly precise definition. It runs something like -- acts of aggression by a paramilitary force against a civilian population." By this definition, George Washington, the other founders, and the patriots who fought under their command do not qualify as terrorists by any stretch of the imagination.

But thanks for clarifying your political leanings for all who read this forum, and be thankful that you live in one of the few places on earth that would tolerate your expression of that viewpoint.

 

El Salvador

 

Don't you realize that there are enough people to hate in the world already without your working so hard to give us another?

 

Danr,not all Irish people were or are anti-British.It must be remembered that thousands of loyal Irishmen fought against the Nazis,despite the fact Eamon de Valera declared Ireland to be neutral.Sinn Fein/I.R.A. has lied to the people of both parts of the isle of Ireland since 1916,& Gerry Adams & Martin McGuinness are still telling lies,which
is no wonder why Ian Paisley of Ulster is so popular.He's the most honest politician ever to come out of the British Isles,which is why he should have been made a hereditary Lord years ago! He's a hero in my eyes.

Aidan.

 

These are the type of details that I am completely ignorant of. In the states there is a sympathy among the Irish for the IRA though.

 

Pure unadulaturated baloney! Here is a question for you Danr, as an outsider, what do you think of the human race?

 

Hitler - Germany
Stalin - Russia
Moa - China
Pol Pot - Cambodia
Sadam - Iraq
Khomani - Iran
Tojo - Japan

Danar you claim that your country has the blood of more inocents than any other on its hands, I would appreciate it if you could explain this in more detail.
here is a short list of names that I believe have more blood on there hands, I could go on if you want. If you decide to go back a century or two then I will grant you the Indian wars but again I can provide you with worse if than that.

De Orc

 

I have to make the comment that the whole concept of "hereditary Lord" and the concept of royalty/nobility in general belongs in the dustbin of history. "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..."

 

Native Americans
Central Americans (specifically El Salvador)
The Reagan wars in Central America did not get much ink but we are responsible for unthinkable acts there.
enslavement of millions of Africans

Read some Chomsky if you are really interested. I think CoinTalk gets $ if you buy from this link.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/s...lended&field-keywords=Chomsky&Go.x=10&Go.y=13

 

Allready mentioned the Indians and gave you that one, now El SalvadorI dont believe that ran into millions, yes the death toll was high but a great portion of it was commited by Goverment forces and not just by the Rebles.
As for Millions of Africans enslaved lets put that into perspective it was not carried out soley by US citizens one of the largest slave trading groups was Arab, we the Brits were involved as were the French, Potugese, Spanish, Dutch then you had the Black tribes who were quite happy to sell others into slavery for trade.
So that one again is out of the window, can I ask how many slaves were systimaticly worked to death? how many were taking straight from the ships and butcherd?
If you are going to argue then at least have your facts right please dont just rely on trite rhetoric.

De Orc

 

If you are sincere in your desire to learn of the crimes committed by he USA read Chomsky. He is VERY careful with his sources and the only defence that the right has against him is to ignore him. Chomsky is the real deal on this issue. As for the slavery issue it is dumb to put that off on the Dutch (they participated in the first generation but we held them for many generations). Chomsky is in no way trite.

 

Danr,
first of all the vast amount of American Indians or Native Americans who died in what is now the United States died without even seeing an European. The European diseases, that the Europeans got from Asia, traveled thru North America faster then the europeans did.
second, the muslim arabs that you always defend are still enslaving black africans today. Even the leftwing supported Amsterdam Times out of Harlem in New York City has reported this along with The Christian Science Monitor, and numerous letters of Africian leaders to a deaf Muslim controled UN.
Third there were three main anti-sandinista forces fighting during the Reagan
era. At times they were all lead by Indians and were composed of a majority of Indians and were supported by both the US and Argentina. The contras or counter revolutionaries fought the communist soviet/cuban backed Sandinista government in Nicaragua for the Sandinista's were conducting a policy of genocide against them at that time.

 

Again Danar you insult me by insinuating I am dumb, yet I respondes in a polite and well meaning manner.
Please for once try to read what I say and I quote 'one of the largest slave trading groups was Arab, we the Brits were involved as were the French, Potugese, Spanish, Dutch then you had the Black tribes'

As You will see the Dutch were towards the back of the list so how I am blaming it all on the Dutch I realy dont know. What I do know is that many of the European ports were built primerily on the ptofit from the slave trade.
The holding of slaves is yet another issue that can be adressed elswhere.
You have accused the USA of having the blood of Inocents on its hands more so than anyone else, I on the other hand have refuted this with facts were are yours ?? In my original post I gave you the Indians but you chose to ignore that, Salvador was in the big picture a minor spat and the US did not Masacre or commit Genocide agains the Slaves they were too valuble.

PLEASE ANSWER THE QUESTION ​

De Orc

 

Why waist your breath DeOrc, old Danr made his first mistake when he enter this battle of wits unarmed.:high5: