The Affordable Care Act....Check & Mate

Discussion in 'Politics' started by JoeNation, Mar 27, 2014.

  1. rlm's cents
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    rlm's cents Well-Known Member

    I guess that means I am paying for the Kennedy tax cuts and war. BTW, just who is paying for the Obama tax cuts?
     
  2. Takiji

    Takiji Well-Known Member

    The Reagan tax increases probably took care of any fallout from the Kennedy cuts. And the 10% Nixon capital gains increase probably helped too. As for the Obama ones, read the post again.
     
  3. David

    David Proud Enemy of Hillary

    NPR was profiling a few Obamacare "success stories" this morning...the common thread, of course, was folks capable of working & paying for their own healthcare (if they were actually willing to put forth the effort) celebrating the reality that they were free from the responsibilities associated with the real world and the rest of us would be paying for something they should be working to pay for!
     
  4. rlm's cents
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    rlm's cents Well-Known Member

    I hate to say this, but tax rates DROPPED from Reagan's inauguration to Bush's inauguration. And they dropped a lot.
     
  5. JoeNation
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    JoeNation The ReichWing Abuser

    The law is working. Are there bugs here and there, absolutely? Can they be fixed over time, absolutely? Is the far Right going to be a dishonest broker in that process, absolutely. Screw 'em.
     
  6. David

    David Proud Enemy of Hillary

    "Bugs"? Really? Millions losing their coverage & billion dollar cost overruns are way more than "bugs".

    Or maybe, by "bugs", you are referring to the dims claim that young people aren't signing up for Obamacare because they aren't tech-savvy enough to use their computers? Is that it?
     
  7. CoinOKC
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    CoinOKC T R U M P

    It's not that there are "bugs here and there" (btw, it's more like a swarm or infestation), it's that the law itself is a complete train wreck. Democrats themselves are fleeing from being associated with Obamacare like it was the plague:

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    March 13, 2014

    The magnitude of Obamacare's failure is becoming increasingly clear every day. Enrollment rates and demographics are weak. Central promises have been shattered. Affordability remains elusive for millions. Costs for families, small businesses and the federal government are going up. And the uninsured aren't participating. In spite of a parade of delays and "fixes," Reeling from a bellwether special election loss, Democrats find themselves right back where they were in late 2013: Panicked over their poisonous signature law. Back then, they tried to blame "glitches" in the rollout. The problems that persist today cut to the heart of the law itself. How will Democrats spin Obamacare heading into November? They've devolved from vowing to proudly run on Obamacare, to focusing on making needed changes to the law, to...chaotic disagreement. Politico reports:

    Democrats can’t even agree whether Obamacare was the reason for their crushing loss in a Florida special election Tuesday. Now picture how their messaging plan for the health care law is shaping up for 2014. Republican lobbyist David Jolly’s victory over Democrat Alex Sink has many Democrats privately worried and publicly split about how to talk about Obamacare.

    A few Democrats are advocating a drastic rhetorical shift to the left, by criticizing their own party for not going far enough when it passed the law in 2010. Other Democrats plan to sharply criticize the Affordable Care Act when running for re-election. Many plan to stick to the simple message that Obamacare is flawed and needs to be fixed —a tactic that plainly didn’t work for Sink.

    Taken together, the Democratic Party is heading into an already tough election year divided — instead of united — on the very issue Republicans plan to make central to their campaigns.

    Pro tip: Messaging isn't the problem. Among the Democrats with the most to lose in November is a trio of vulnerable southern Senators: Kay Hagan, Mary Landrieu and Mark Pryor. Hagan has literally fled Obamacare questions, Landrieu is on record saying that she is "100 percent" responsible for the law, which Mark Pryor called an "amazing success story." Rattled by how badly his "success story" is proceeding, Pryor is running an erratic campaign. He accidentally touted his opponent's website at a press conference on Medicare (which he repeatedly voted to cut in order to pay for Obamacare), and bizarrely accused his Republican foe of feeling "entitled" to his seat due to his military service, or something. That, coming from a career politician who used his family's prominent political name to get elected. Americans for Prosperity has launched a $700,000 television ad buy in Arkansas targeting Pryor for misleading his constituents about keeping their existing health coverage: Wanda: The moment my insurance was cancelled

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3132959/posts?page=13
     
  8. JoeNation
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    JoeNation The ReichWing Abuser

    Really, your opinions are like gnats buzzing around your head. They are annoying but of no real consequence.
     
  9. JoeNation
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    JoeNation The ReichWing Abuser

    Surprise, surprise... Another Right-wing blog against the ACA.

    Welcome to Free Republic!
    The Premier Conservative Site on the Net!
     
  10. David

    David Proud Enemy of Hillary

    Welcome to BO's New Normal...where facts become opionions & opinions become facts!
     
  11. JoeNation
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    JoeNation The ReichWing Abuser

    Opinions? You got that right. Yours seem to be just a little off.

    Fact:

    Obamacare Has Led To Coverage For 9.5 Million!
     
  12. rlm's cents
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    rlm's cents Well-Known Member

    And how many have paid? How many have completed the enrollment? How many are simply reenrolling in Medicare/medicaid?
     
  13. David

    David Proud Enemy of Hillary

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  14. CoinOKC
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    CoinOKC T R U M P

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    “Lies,” Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid calls the TV ads that feature people complaining about ObamaCare. Sorry: The people in those ads are sick, but their new health policies don’t let them see the specialists or get the medications they need.

    These patients aren’t liars; they’re people President Obama claimed he would help, who instead are being harmed.

    They had insurance, but their plans got canceled because of the Affordable Care Act, forcing them into ObamaCare. Now they’re discovering that ObamaCare plans aren’t for sick people. They offer “free” mammograms, “free” colonoscopies and “free” contraceptives – meaning you don’t have a copay. But if you have cancer, MS or Parkinson’s, you’re in trouble: Most ObamaCare plans skimp on specialists and life-saving drugs.

    Dr. Jeffrey English, a Georgia neurologist who treats patients with advanced MS, worries that such patients forced into exchange plans will deteriorate rapidly. Some plans don’t cover six out of the 10 drugs that can treat MS, including the ones most effective at staving off irreversible paralysis.

    “ObamaCare is a throwback to the old HMO model of the 1990s, which promised a broad package of coverage for primary-care benefits like vaccines and routine doctor visits. But to pay for these benefits, the ObamaCare plans skimp on other things, principally the number of doctors you’ll have access to and also the number of costlier branded drugs,” explains Dr. Scott Gottlieb, a practicing physician and fellow at the American Enterprise Institute.

    It’s like a car with leather seats and Bose speakers, but a lousy engine. Another aspect of this approach: Most exchange plans exclude the academic medical centers that cancer patients look to when their local hospital runs out of answers.

    Dr. Katherine Albrecht developed stage 3c breast cancer (which had spread to her lymph nodes) in 2011. Doctors at her local hospital in Nashua, NH, told her to get her affairs in order. But her Anthem PPO health insurance allowed her to go to Dana Farber Cancer Center in Boston, where she was successfully treated, and afterward to Cornell Breast Cancer Center.

    Her Anthem policy was canceled late last year, because it didn’t meet ObamaCare mandates such as maternity coverage. Yet ObamaCare-compliant policies in New Hampshire won’t cover care at 10 of the 26 hospitals in the state, and none outside the state – so if she’d been on ObamaCare when she got cancer, she couldn’t have gone to Boston for care. Albrecht says, “Under ObamaCare, I’d be dead.”

    Recently, the president urged Organizing for Action volunteers to enroll as many people as possible in ObamaCare before the March 31 deadline, calling it “God’s work.” Really? Maybe helping the uninsured is God’s work. But not convincing people with health problems to move into plans that won’t provide the care they need to stay alive. In the private sector, that would be fraud. It takes politics to a new low.

    In February 2013, the Obama administration whacked people with pre-existing conditions even harder by suspending the cap on out-of-pocket expenses under an ObamaCare policy, which was originally set to kick in Jan. 1 at $6,350 for an individual. Theodore M. Thompson, a vice president of the National Multiple Sclerosis Society, said “The promise of out-of-pocket limits was one of the main reasons we supported health-care reform.”

    Without the cap, an MS patient on Copaxone, which costs $6,000 a month, will have to spend about $1,500 to $2,000 every month for the co-pay on that one drug alone. That’s unaffordable for many.

    Before the Affordable Care Act, nine out of every 10 Americans with pre-existing conditions had coverage. They got it through an employer-provided plan, Medicare or Medicaid without discrimination. Only the individual-policy market let insurers charge sick people more or turn them away – and even in that market most got covered. Nationwide, only 2 million to 4 million people with health problems couldn’t get coverage. That’s about 1 percent of the population – a small, fixable problem.

    But ObamaCare doesn’t fix the problem, it makes it far worse. As millions lose on-the-job coverage this year or next and get pushed into ObamaCare, those with pre-existing illnesses will have the same difficulty getting care as the patients in the TV ads. It’s no lie.

    http://www.aim.org/guest-column/how-obamacare-slaps-the-sick/
     
  15. David

    David Proud Enemy of Hillary

    Add to that the fact that doctors across the country are excusing themselves from participating in any plan connected to Obamacare...
     
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  16. JoeNation
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    JoeNation The ReichWing Abuser

    Do you know what the sweet thing for me is? I don't have to listen to you fringe dead-enders blather on endlessly buying into every whacky BS talking point FOX feeds you. The goal of 7 million new sign ups is within reach and you have failed. You failed completely. You totally failed in your obstruction, your lies, your silly obsession with something that is here and staying here. You lose! You're just too stubbornly dumb to realize it. That makes me smile. :D
     
  17. David

    David Proud Enemy of Hillary

    If Obamacare was a good idea, why would 7 million be the goal when admin numbers range from 17-50 million uninsured? Why wouldn't you have the millions of uninsured + everyboby who supposedly had poor, uber expensive insurance beating down the doors to enroll? And why would BO have to lie to the public to get what little support the plan has among the people?
     
  18. JoeNation
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    JoeNation The ReichWing Abuser

    I wish that I cared to explain this to you. I really don't and your ignorance is just so obvious. You obviously haven't a clue about the very subject you are railing against. 7 million "new sign ups" the vast majority of people that will get coverage for probably the first time will get it through Medicaid expansion. Oh, except in states where Republicans have blocked Medicaid expansion even though it was funded by the Feds and cost them nothing. Ideology over people in real need. Dead people as a trade off for Right-wing ideology. NICE!!!
     
  19. David

    David Proud Enemy of Hillary

    I think it's more a case of being unable to 'splain it rather than not caring. The math just isn't there. One would rightfully expect that if you offer some incredible, life changing program, nearly free of charge, to people who have barely been able to survive tax penalties & media bliztes wouldn't be necessary to get 10% or so to sign up for it.
     
  20. JoeNation
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    JoeNation The ReichWing Abuser

    It's not that the math doesn't add up...It more like you can't get a trained ape to do math. The math will never add for you because you have no idea what you're talking about. Your ignorance is not my issue. It's yours. Deal with it.
     

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