Supreme Court & Obamacare ruling...

Yep. If faceitousity is a word I was doing it.

 

A few things....
First of all, if I have "chased all these people away", how come I'm pretty much the last Lefty here? Good question Joe! Numbers don't lie. 4 Right-wing loons and one Lefty. Hum?
Another issue. You 4 Right-wing lunatics are absolutely right. I do not suffer fools quietly or without insults. If it really bothers you, tough! Don't care, stop whining.
Finally, due to much travel and much work over the next few months, I am rarely if ever coming here to post anything. Now that I have manipulated you into responding to my posts against the rules of your little girl pinky swear coven of non-responses, I have lost interest in playing with you guys. It just isn't as much fun when I can't imaging veins popping out your necks after I’ve posted a good zinger due to a self-imposed stupidity pact or possibly just natural lifelong behavior, whichever.
So Clembo, they are all yours. Have a great summer all. Enjoy the Right-wing echo chamber many of you prefer to actual debate. It makes you what you are. Dumb fools!

Adieu!

 

Have a nice vacation. I would say that I'm going to miss your insults and irrational posts, but it wouldn't be true.

 

Take care man.

 

So sir would you wish to pick up the mantle of the left and be its king or do you consider yourself to be an independent.

 

Wow, I never thought Moen would turn tail and run.

 

How did I miss this?

Don't let the door hit you....

 

He didn't say he was leaving forever folks. If I were a betting man I'd bet he'll be back.

 

We can hope though, can't we?

My guess is that he is going back in for more programming....

 

Ya think?

 

Definite possibility Stu.


















Or this could be a birthday present for David. I happen to know it's coming up.

 

But in the mean time, maybe we can have a couple conversations without being called idiot, hypocrite, racist, moron, etc.

 

Well, you are wrong once again. The individual mandate was, indeed, ruled unconstitutional under the Constitution's Commerce Clause. As Chief Justice John Roberts stated,

The Affordable Care Act is constitutional in part and unconstitutional in part. The individual mandate cannot be upheld as an exercise of Congress's power under the Commerce Clause. That Clause authorizes Congress to regulate interstate commerce, not to order individuals to engage it. In this case, however, it is reasonable to construe what Congress has done as increasing taxes on those who have a certain amount of income, but choose to go without health insurance. Such legislation is within Congress's power to tax.​

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In other words, the Individual Mandate only stands as a tax (not under the Commerce Clause). So, our taxes are going up under Obamacare. Who didn't see that coming?​

 

Sorry, but you need to keep reading. It is constitutional AS A TAX!

 

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/supreme-court-issue-obamacare-decision-135554880.html

 

However, present speculation is that they took the teeth out of forcing states to open their medicaid rolls. That is where the majority of the uncovered people were to be added. They are still trying to figure that one out.

 

Correct! It certainly IS a tax increase (as witnessed by the Supreme Court's decision today). However, back in 2009, Obama "absolutely reject[ed] the notion" of it being a tax increase:

The critical decision by a majority on the Supreme Court to treat the individual mandate included in President Barack Obama's health care law as a constitutionally justified tax is at direct odds with how the president defended the legislation in 2009 as he was working to wrangle sufficient votes to get it passed.
Shortly after Obama took to the House chamber to deliver a speech before a joint session of Congress in September 2009, he sat down with ABC News' George Stephanopoulos for an interview on the subject.
Stephanopoulos pressed the president on how he could keep his promise not to raise taxes on most Americans, but require they be fined if they don't carry health insurance.
STEPHANOPOULOS: You were against the individual mandate …
OBAMA: Yes.
STEPHANOPOULOS: … during the campaign. Under this mandate, the government is forcing people to spend money, fining you if you don't. How is that not a tax?
OBAMA: Well, hold on a second, George. Here—here's what's happening. You and I are both paying $900, on average—our families—in higher premiums because of uncompensated care. Now what I've said is that if you can't afford health insurance, you certainly shouldn't be punished for that. That's just piling on. If, on the other hand, we're giving tax credits, we've set up an exchange, you are now part of a big pool, we've driven down the costs, we've done everything we can and you actually can afford health insurance, but you've just decided, you know what, I want to take my chances. And then you get hit by a bus and you and I have to pay for the emergency room care, that's …
STEPHANOPOULOS: That may be, but it's still a tax increase.
OBAMA: No. That's not true, George. The—for us to say that you've got to take a responsibility to get health insurance is absolutely not a tax increase. What it's saying is, is that we're not going to have other people carrying your burdens for you anymore than the fact that right now everybody in America, just about, has to get auto insurance. Nobody considers that a tax increase. People say to themselves, that is a fair way to make sure that if you hit my car, that I'm not covering all the costs.
STEPHANOPOULOS: But it may be fair, it may be good public policy …
OBAMA: No, but—but, George, you—you can't just make up that language and decide that that's called a tax increase. Any …
STEPHANOPOULOS: Here's the …
OBAMA: What—what—if I—if I say that right now your premiums are going to be going up by 5 or 8 or 10 percent next year and you say well, that's not a tax increase; but, on the other hand, if I say that I don't want to have to pay for you not carrying coverage even after I give you tax credits that make it affordable, then …
STEPHANOPOULOS: I—I don't think I'm making it up. Merriam Webster's dictionary: Tax—"a charge, usually of money, imposed by authority on persons or property for public purposes."
OBAMA: George, the fact that you looked up Merriam's dictionary, the definition of tax increase, indicates to me that you're stretching a little bit right now. Otherwise, you wouldn't have gone to the dictionary to check on the definition. I mean what …
STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, no, but …
OBAMA: … what you're saying is …
STEPHANOPOULOS: I wanted to check for myself. But your critics say it is a tax increase.
OBAMA: My critics say everything is a tax increase. My critics say that I'm taking over every sector of the economy. You know that. Look, we can have a legitimate debate about whether or not we're going to have an individual mandate or not, but …
STEPHANOPOULOS: But you reject that it's a tax increase?
OBAMA: I absolutely reject that notion.

 

BO lied! So what else is new! BTW, you cannot keep the insurance even if you like it despite BO. You cannot keep the Doctor despite BO. It is not budget neutral despite BO. The medical costs did not go down despite BO. ETC.

 

Just what is so wrong with everyone paying a little towards the Health Care of the nation. Here if I come down with a serious illness, say cancer I know that I will receive treatment and I won't have to worry about Doctor bills in my future. I just cannot understand what appears to be an obssesion with Americans in paying large sums of money for health care. For example a simple thing such a giving birth, here in the UK you go in to hospital you give birth, you come home, thats it. It costs the NHS

• Normal delivery without complications - £1174 $1820
• Casarian section with complications - £3626 $5620
• In-patient bed payment - £346-£420 per day $536-$651
• Booking appointment - £145 $225
• Follow on appointment - £65-£78 $100-$121

(Department of Health, 2010)

You don't have to pay anything, it has already been paid out of the nations taxes.​

How much are the same things in the US?​

 

I just did a quick search and it looks like National Insurance Tax Rate on your income has almost doubled in the last 30 years? From about 6% to 12% now? Is that right? And then there is a tax on the employer too? Is that right? Do you think that tax reduces wages in addition to the tax you pay on your wages?

That sure sounds like you are paying for it and, like most of these types of programs, paying more and more the longer they exist.

And, the UK also is in debt. Somewhere north of a trillion pounds? So you aren't even paying for all of it either.