Super Committee as (non) Super as expected.

I said I wasn't sure who the person was on FOX that said it. It was a comment made by a guest, not FOX themselves... it was his comment, and a lie. No effort was made to correct him, which isn't altogether necessary... but would it would have improved my opinion of FOX if she had.

I have no idea who 'yahoo' or 'iteraksyon' is... what channel they on? It really doesn't matter since repeating a lie doesn't make it a truth... it only makes it harder for people to trust each other.

 

What is a convicted liar?

 

Obama is going to continue to be attacked no matter what he does. That's all they know how to do is attack... 'cause they're idiots.

 

YOU, also!

 

Why are those people that had the graciousness not to boo the First Lady and Dr Biden used as an excuse to justify the actions of those with less than a gracious nature? Is it OK to boo and show disrespect if a certain percentage doesn't? What is that percentage anyway? How did you determine what percentage was in which camp in this crowd anyway? All good questions that should make you feel uncomfortable in your own culture. IMHO.

 

You mean I have a conviction on my record and it was for lying? I have the First Amendment right to lie through my teeth if I want and so does everyone else. How can I be convicted of lying? And didn't "who" was a convicted liar, I asked "what" is a convicted liar. Not who but what is a convicted liar?

 

Who? Oh, let's try Bill Clinton and Martha Stewart, to name a couple.

 

Yes, when one objectifies another person based on ethnic heritage as you did with your comment, "... a black man is about as popular as a fly in your grits...", then you've certainly 'played the race card' as it were. Seriously, why even bring up the man's heritage? Can you prove your assertion? As I said previously, he won VA and NC in 2008, so how can you say he's unpopular in the South? Many people in the South voted for him and will certainly do so again. For my money, he's TOO popular in the South! He didn't carry many Southern states, but please show evidence that it was based on his heritage. Are you just pulling these assertions out of your... hat?

 

So you're holding the network responsible for lying when 1) the comment made did not necessarily reflect the opinion of the network, 2) the opinion expressed was not expressed by a representative, and 3) there is no evidence that what was said was a lie (other than the statement disagreed with your opinion on an unexplained matter). We don't know what topic was being discussed, what was said by one side or the other, what was said, or who said it. Therefore, we have no way of countering what yuo're claiming. How can we take this comment seriously? I'm shocked--a commentator allowed someone to express his or her opinion and chose not to pursue a topic that might have gone off on a tangent that was unrelated to the topic segment.

Wait a minute--are you really making this argument? You're holding the majority responsible for the dissenting minority? Are you really saying that you've never been at any non-NASCAR event at which someone was booed before? You're saying that people in the crowd should not have been allowed to assert their First Amendment rights because *you* disagree with their opinions? I don't know, but when a small number of voices is easily drowned out by the majority of the crowd in a mere matter of a few seconds, I'd say that the minority of the crowd was actually a small minority. As to the numbers or the percentage, I never tried to give them, since I have no way of providing them. But to say that no one has a right to boo someone that you hold in respect--and to malign an entire group for the actions of a vocal minority--is the worst sort of fallacious argument. You or I or anyone in a crowd can have a dissenting opinion and not represent the majority. Without dissenting opinion, there would not be a United States of America--I value dissenting opinions, even if I don't always agree with them, the manner in which they are stated, or with the person who stated them.

 

How come this sounds a lot like the OWS is violent debate only with the teams having swapped uniforms? Shouldn't, at this point, someone be saying something about how if you can't prove all the NASCAR fans were booing, then they are not racists or actually booing or ungracious or something...

 

Perhaps they were booing Jill Biden?

 

I said I caught two lies while watching FOX.

I said the comments was made by a guest. FYI, the second lie was from a Congressman. I say FOX has always agreed with the liars. You disagee. I'm not surprized. You defend FOX like it's your kid... are you employed by them, or have you ever sold a story to them? I have to ask.

A representative of what, FOX or the government? As I said, the comment came from a guest. The other comment came from a representative of the government.

Defending a lie is common, but how can we expect to get along when we can't even agree what a lie is? The answer is we can't. So, you can continue to believe in the lie, and I will continue to call them a lie, and you will continue to say it isn't. Isn't that lovely?

There's the problem... you want to counter the claim without knowing jack about it. It's not so much that what I said was wrong (I said FOX was getting better didn't I?) only that you feel the need to counter any comment. THERE'S YOUR PROBLEM.

I know, you can't... not when your intent is to argue a counterpoint.

I'm shocked... you show sarcasm... no, not really... I was being sarcastic. Of course, FOX wouldn't call someone out for saying anything negative about Obama because FOX agrees with the sentiment. Obama has made mistakes, but making a lie about him isn't his issue... it's the liars... and the responsible thing to do is call the liar out on it.

So, defend FOX like it's your LANGUAGE child all you want... defend liars all you want... IMO, you're part of the problem.

 

What passes for an interview on Fox or the mainstream media these days, ranges from lies being told and going unchallenged to interviewers spreading lies complicit with the ones telling the lies. If anyone dares to call anyone on a lie or even disagree with the guest, they never get another guest. The media has become cowardly and the politicians know it. Fox may help spread the lies but it isn't any better to have people like David Gregory refusing to challenge the lies. I can’t stand watching any of those shows anymore.

 

Stop making sense... it confuses us... what were you saying? ...Ok, I'm back...

 

Every time I tried to watch FOX in the last two years they couldn't go 5 minutes without spreading a lie... which is why I didn't trust them. Lately I've seen less unrestrained bsing and can watch for half an hour an only caught two lies. That to me is a remarkable improvement. Another segment I usually can't stand is "The Five". The last couple times I watched it though at least one guy (the obese one) made many counter arguments to the others who were talking bs. So I see that as an improvement too.

To the moderator... sorry, I thought the word was acceptable like "Hell" is... I'll refrain from using it, though my son technically is one.