I see. He left before his enlistment is over. I understand now. It is Desertion under the UCMJ, instead of discharged as stated: Honorable, with RE3 reenlistment eligibility, and Equal /Senior Rank NCOs were complicit in modifying Official Discharge/Separation Forms to assist in a cover-up. Yes, You are correct. I read about this in The Spy Who Came In From The Cold. I admire your numismatic knowledge. I think it best, though, you not dabble in the DD214/NGS22 world. You would not want to unnecessarily advance rumor and innuendo and silly stuff that could result in physical violence against someone, when the receiver of communicated nonsense believes the baloney.
Whether it was a legit discharge or a dishonorable desertion, fact is he did not lead his soldiers when his nation called upon him to do so. And the damning part of this is that he misrepresents his servitude. I heard a clip of him doing exactly that. How this man could call JD Vance "weird" when Vance did serve when his nation called dishonors anyone that wore the uniform. That is simply unforgivable.
Walz claims to be a higher rank than he actually is. It's no different than a grunt going around saying "I'm a Major". That, in simple terms, is "stolen valor". Here's the definition: Stolen valor is a term for the behavior of military impostors: individuals who lie about serving in the military or the extent of their military service. So, Walz lied about the extent of his military service. He never achieved the rank he claims to be.
Walz lied about being a retired "command sergeant major" (that's stolen valor) and he lied about carrying a gun "in war" (that's a lie): Walz is described as a retired "command sergeant major" in his governor's website biography and has also claimed he carried a gun "in war," despite never experiencing active combat.
I do not agree. He was not under Orders to deploy, with or without his unit. Checking Deployment Status of the Unit at that time, it appears that Orders for the Unit was issued about 2 months after his retirement. There is ALWAYS gossip in the Armed Forces about where/when/if/how long a Unit or individual is going to be deployed. It is a long standing and time honored shoot the sh.t bs session topic over a beer or coffee and cig break. Any active military service member can request retirement after 20 year. t is either approved or disapproved by the CO. It is also allowable to file for retirement after 20 years (and in some situations less than 20 years) even if the Unit has received deployment Orders. It is still a decision of the Co, and the Co will consider Unit cohesin, TO&E, MOS status and need, etc. As to CSM status, he did achieve the rank of CSM. He was not allowed to retire with that permanent rank because he served in the rank for less than 3 years, and did not complete the necessary coursework that would have been required. Thus, upon retirement, the permanent rank would be and is E8. This is no difference for any Armed Forces member....for instance filed promotions and another example an RIF including combat related service. This happened quite frequently in Indian Country; there were many 2nd lieutenants that were given a choice of reenlistment as an E5 or an Honorable discharge, because certain Officer slots were no longer required. I do know, and heard his statement that he had carried and used weapons of war, and it is a bit misleading and suggestive of active combat, but never stated to my knowledge that he was in active combat, and he did state on previous occasions that the Troops in combat contributed a lot more than he did. If we are going to judge a Vet, then the basis of judgement should be equal. As, again, only an example, Sen. Vance was deployed to a combat active area, and did not participate in active combat. The Sen. has stated this, but the fact that he was in a Combat theater, is interpreted by the general public that has not listened or cared to ask, is under the impression he was in active combat. So what occurs? Exactly what is occurring in this Thread...an assumption that one Vet was in active combat and the other was not, so hang the guy that wasn't. Well, you are going to need 2 ropes. Perception and assumption can be fun, but it can also be dangerous. I am 100% supportive of enthusiastic participation in the election process, via communication, debating this choice over that choice and declaring your mom wears combat boots and your dad wears bloomers, but, we should all strive to be reasonable in our enjoyment of the bashing process. It is the American way.
And I think that clarity of thought and the ability to be objectionable to factual information is what separates us from.... them.
I enthusiastically concur, and i appreciate your recognition of intent, because that is exactly what I wanted to convey. Winning via Bullshit is NEVER honorable. Never.
Then he needs to remove the lie on his biography that he retired as a Command Sergeant Major. And he needs to stop telling people that he carried weapons of war IN war. But, until then he’s stealing valor by claiming the military rank he’s not entitled to claim.
Except, he did retire as a CSM, and had served in that capacity. The process of retirement is straightforward...you request and at the time of request state your present rank. This was done. Some months later, the discharge status of rank was amended, per DOD Regs, to permanent retirement status of E8, after review due to, again, time in rank, less than 3 years AND not completing required courses. He did not receive either document in person, and both were mailed to his last known address. I do agree the Bio should clarify the status post-amendment. I would also insist Sen. Vance publicly stating he did not participate in active combat. I mean PUBLICLY STATING, to a media covered major event. I agree that both candidates should stop the bullshit and correct the perceptions that voters have about their individual Vet status. Then , the public can start making choices that are reality based.
I agree that he briefly attained the rank of CSM on paper until such rank was stripped from him because he didn’t complete the requirements. It’s completely disingenuous for him to claim that he retired as a CSM and he should PUBLICLY APOLOGIZE for doing so. Many vets who proudly and rightfully earned their titles consider what he did as Stolen Valor.
In general, I concur. Would you agree with my thoughts concerning Sen. Vance publicly stating his active combat participation? It would only be honorable to do so, if he espouses the status of the Governor as stolen valor, no?
THIS is the attitude every legally voting person should aspire to, in this and every future voting/election season. We want free and fair and honorable elections, then we should all demand an end to all BS by the Candidates.
I don't think they call it BS, @charley . . . I think they more wokely consider it to be calculatedly misleading.
