Something Every American should see...

It's always easy to tell the person who has never been out of the country. He's the one who shows disdain for his country first over what he has. He's the one who is no different from the spoiled teenager who calls the cops when their parents take away their cell phone, not being grateful for even having one in the first place.

Look at someone who I wouldn't surprise is a hero of yours, William Ayers, he first and foremost thought the worst of his country, firebombed federal buildings, the home of a judge who's kids were inside, and bombed police stations killing an officer, but when asked a simple queston by a reporter outside his home, who did he call. The police, and the same type of people he waged war on, did what they are expected to do and came to the assistance of a despicable human being, that killed one of their own, becasue it is their duty. Something someone like you and Mr. Ayres will never understand.

Nobody here has ever said you should follow your country and patriotism blindly, the difference between them and you, wez, is you first assume the worst of your country barring any proof otherwise, regardless of the proven evil deeds of those they oppose. The majority here, will hope the best of their country but have an open mind to mistakes or misdeeds, and can accept that both happen.

 

You mean the Army national guard? The same ones doing multiple tours in Iraq?

hahahaha.. invisible lines are funny.. God/Allah/Jehova/??? can't see them.. he/she/it fools easily.. yay us

 

Who the f*ck is William Ayers? And what the f*ck makes you think anyone who kills people is a hero of mine?



I'm not you, remember?


Barring any proof? Watch the vids yet?


Unlike you, I love America and believe what they taught me it was as a kid.. and am smart enough to know that aint the case, and brave enough to admit it.. woe is me.

 

No invisible lines. Any actions in the US are under the authority and control of the governor of their state. If called for national duty it has to be action outside the US. Nice cherry picking of the law though.

 

American girls and American guys will always stand up and salute;
Will always recognize
When we see ol' glory flying,
There's a lot of men dead,
So we can sleep in peace at night when we lay down our head.

My daddy served in the army,
Where he lost his right eye.
But he flew a flag out in our yard 'til the day that he died.
He wanted my mother, my brother, my sister and me
To grow up and live happy in the land of the free.

Now this nation that I love has fallen under attack.
A mighty sucker punch came flying in from somewhere in the back.
Soon as we could see clearly through our big black eye,
Man we lit up your world like the Fourth of July.

Hey Uncle Sam put your name at the top of his list,
And the Statue of Liberty started shaking her fist.
And the eagle will fly,
And there's gonna be Hell,
When you hear Mother Freedom start ringing her bell!
It's gonna feel like the whole wide world is raining down on you...
Brought to you courtesy of the Red, White and Blue!

Oh, Justice will be served and the battle will rage.
This big dog will fight when you rattle his cage
You'll be sorry that you messed with the US of A
'Cuz we'll put a boot in your ass
It's the American way.

Hey Uncle Sam put your name at the top of his list,
And the Statue of Liberty started shaking her fist.
And the eagle will fly,
And there's gonna be Hell,
When you hear Mother Freedom start ringing her bell!
And it'll feel like the whole wide world is raining down on you...
Brought to you courtesy of the Red, White and Blue!

Of the Red, White and Blue..
Of my Red, White and Blue...

 

How is looking back on the past helping the future of America and the rest of the world? Every country can look back at a bad past they wish they could erase. We learned from our mistakes. Do think we will have another Kent State?

 

You think Tim McVie is a hero. You think the worst of your country without care of rhyme or reason, I figured you respect a like minded individual.

 

Like I said. Most can accept mistakes have been made in the history of our nation but until you have lived in another country or travelled, you really can never respect or appreciate what a great nation we live in.

 

I don't think he's a hero.. you do.. he served in the army and fought in the gulf war. He's a vet.. errr.. was a vet.

And I don't think the worst of my country.. I think what I know to be true. So don't tell me who I think is a hero and what I think of my country. Not real keen on watching it be destroyed by hypocrites and liars blindly supported by people like you.


Real men tell the truth ~ wez

 

The Moriori were a very peaceful people...before they got enslaved and eaten.

 

Really? I do?

Wez, I don't hold you accountable, I understand we only can go off of our experiences, and knowing how limited yours are, in the grand scheme of things, I see where you come from.

Your views on veterans in general I can't condone. You are just like those who stood in airports and spit on the Vietnam vets when they came home and called them baby killers.

With you it's black or white, right or wrong, good or bad. I'm sorry to burst your childhood fantasies and bedtime stories but that's not how the world works.

I respect you as a person, respect your right to have and express your views, but to show the utter disrespect and condemnation for those who are willing to lay their lives down to protect and defend those rights, I can't back you and feel you way too often speak from a position of ignorance. Not ignorance in a bad way, but as not really knowing from experience of which you speak.

 

Yea, I saw them but I also have knowledge and have extended what I know beyond those videos. I don't make it a habit of forming my opinion or basing my assumptions on one piece of evidence or one story/video.

 

Really, I do?

what the f*ck?


Right = right

Wrong = wrong


Little do you know, I'd lay my life down for any individual in this world for what's right. Not for a buck, power, or "glory".


So before painting me as something else and telling me what I am and who I think is a hero, ask first.

 

Going back to past **** has no reverence what so ever as to the plight of America and the world as we know it now. We've come a long way since then.
Terrorist understand that the way to get to people with the understanding of the sanctity of life is to target the innocent . This is a fairly new tactic although carpet bombing cities back in the war was the same thing. To demoralize.
These cells everywere lying dormant are ready for their day to attack.
I think maybe a dirty bomb taking out an entire city with ill effects across the nation might awaken you to the realization that this is an enigma that can not be stopped. Saying your sorry for our ancestors won't help at this point.
Put a helmet on and dig yourself a hole. The Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force and the National Gaurd will protect you.

 

Once again you support my point. Just/unjust, good/bad, and right/wrong are all subjective terms. What one person believes is not necessarily what another does. That's why I said you live in a childhood fantisy world.

Tim McVie believed what he did was right/just/good; your "19" believed they were doing what was right/just/good, Harry Trueman believed what he did was right/just/good, Pontius Pilot believed he was doing what was right/just/good, etc... and everyone of them were both right and wrong, depending on what your belief system is.

No need to ask, you're actions speak for themselves. How can you pledge to lay your life down for what is right, when what is right is different for everyone, and most importantly when you are only offering this up for what you believe to be right. Is that really a noble pledge or a selfish one for ones own wants/beliefs/desires?

As for Tim McVie, it's another reason you show yourself uncapable of grasping the real world. You say we think Tim McVie is a hero because he served in the miitary. The thing is, that this is more presumptuous than me claiming you find him a hero for standing up for his beliefs, but the difference is unlike you, I take the whole sum of a persons deeds in defining them.

Just as I have taken everything I know of you and as much as you "claim" you love your country, your words and actions show otherwise. Countless times, over and over, you first condemn your country, you lump the actions of a few to define the deeds of the many in every situation.

All businessmen are greedy theives and liars because a few have shown this trait. All Republicans are hypocrits because someone cites a few examples of their interpretation of such. A few soldiers have blindly followed orders and have done bad things so all soldiers are mindless killers.

 

Since those things are not living entities, you must mean the individual human beings that belong to them mostly made up of poor kids enticed by free college and bonus checks to do the bidding of others.


Sorry.. doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy.. I'd rather stand up for myself and do my own dying as an indivdual.

 

Good, then you must think it's ok for someone to melt your flesh off your bone. Whatever turns your crank.

"My" 19? hahahaha.. Yeah, I loves me some death. Where all those people were wrong was in that they thought they had the right to decide that someone other than themselves walking the Earth should die and took actions to prove it.

Whereas, I know better.

I offer it up to anyone who lives under someone elses thumb because it's not right for people to lord over other people for their own selfish desires through violence, intimidation, and hypocrisy.

If someone wants to kill me for saying so, so be it. I don't need to kill anyone to prove anything.


If someone thinks that's "right", that someone is a sick individual who needs to be told it isn't right, but most likely is merely hypocritical and defines right/wrong inconsistantly depending on which side of the coin they're on.


For example, you would probably think it's wrong for me to melt the flesh off your bones, yet you think it's ok to do to Panamanians.


Or you probably would think it's wrong for another countries soldiers to invade your homeland and kick in your front door, yet you think it's ok to do to Iraqi's.


Or you probably think it's wrong for people in Iran to obtain nuclear weapons but you think it's ok for people in your country to have them.


Wrong = wrong

Right = right

Whatever you think is right/wrong is fine by me as long as you extend it to every individual human being in every other country on this planet, including yourself. Hypocrisy and double standards are always wrong, period.

Errrr.. you said he was my hero? Can't return the favor? How odd. I don't respect when people "stand up for their beliefs" with violence, intimidation, and hypocrisy, unlike you. Prolly think different if it was you they were doing it to though, I reckon. Tell me I'm wrong?

I love people and I condemn no one, I forgive. And a country is not a living entity so it is not even possible to condemn it. Why do you think I wouldn't love the people who live in my homeland and show me where my words and actions say otherwise?

If you love someone, you tell them the truth as you know/believe it.

You show me where I ever said anything of the sort. I never said all businessmen are greedy thieves, nor did I say all republicans are hypocrites. Some soldiers actually do refuse to blindly follow orders. And killing other people whom you never met is always a bad thing and anyone in their right mind would know that.


Matter of fact, I think I've made it quite clear that I believe labels = sh*t and no one is a word.


Do you think all ______ are ______ because Saddam did bad things? Or all ______ are _______ because 19 people flew planes into buildings? You must.. you condone the invasion of their country.. So why then is it not ok for a country to do the same to us based on the actions of a few individuals? Or is it?

 

Your opinion. Not fact. Just because you say it or believe it, doesn't make it so.

You don't "know" anything. You believe you know better. Just because you say it or believe it, doesn't make it so.

Just your opinon of what's right. Just because you say it or believe it, doesn't make it so.

Your opinon of the situation. Just because you say it or believe this is the case, doesn't make it so.

Nothing but your opinion. Just because you believe it, doesn't make it so.

You say it, your actions prove otherwise. Just because you say it or believe it, doesn't make it so.

Your opinion. Just because you believe it, doesn't make it so.

Your opinion. Just because you say it or believe it, doesn't make it so.

 

Opinions? Hahahaha.. perhaps.. There were also some questions in there for you.. I'll prove me right, or you'll prove me wrong. I really don't wanna assume anything... so... Lets start here..



Do you think it's ok for people in Iran to obtain nuclear weapons?


Me.. No.


What say you?

 

If you are only asking about nuclear weapons, and only asking my opinion. I say, "no".

The current regime has expressed their intention to wipe another soverign nation off the map.

Do I think it "right" that one nation has them and another one doesn't. In absolute theory, "no". In reality based on the basic intentions or likelyhood that any would be used in an act of agression, I believe that those that have them now, are kept in pretty much a good check and balance situation unlike the stated intentions of some rogue states. This goes back over a half decade where the US developed them and in theory actually saved lives by using them, against a nation that the US was at war with. Right or wrong, good or bad, is not for me to say.

I believe the end result justified the use.

With that said. Do I believe there should be a constant strive to work toward the elimination of such weapons, "yes", but for now we are where we are.