im reduced to writing ladder logic programs for one of my project pieces. gawds. -- dave hillstrom mhm15x4 zrbj <This space for rent.>
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:00:03 -0500, dave hillstrom wrote: > im reduced to writing ladder logic programs for one of my project > pieces. gawds. I don't like it when people use "logic" for anything but Boolean/ propositional deduction. It whiffs too much of, say, sticking an adjective on "justice". -- tinmimus99@hotmail.com smeeter 11 or maybe 12 mp 10 mhm 29x13 I wonder what I have been up to. < _Beyond Apollo_
dave hillstrom wrote: > im reduced to writing ladder logic programs for one of my project > pieces. gawds. > I don't recall hearing George Stibitz grumbling about having been reduced to paper, scissors, tin cans and bell wire when he was 'programming' the model K. I think yer spoiled. -- nuts
mimus wrote: > On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:00:03 -0500, dave hillstrom wrote: > >>im reduced to writing ladder logic programs for one of my project >>pieces. gawds. > > I don't like it when people use "logic" for anything but Boolean/ > propositional deduction. > > It whiffs too much of, say, sticking an adjective on "justice". > Yeah. Adjectives imply a lack of purity - some sort of practical application requiring a degree of specificity lacking in the pure mathematical construct. Plato would be appalled. Euclid too. I'm not so sure about George Boole - he had to keep a roof over his head wot with the British Isles having rather raw weather and may well have compromised purity for a cord of wood and a few lambchops. -- nuts
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:33:01 -0500, mixed nuts wrote: > mimus wrote: > >> On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:00:03 -0500, dave hillstrom wrote: >> >>>im reduced to writing ladder logic programs for one of my project >>>pieces. gawds. >> >> I don't like it when people use "logic" for anything but Boolean/ >> propositional deduction. >> >> It whiffs too much of, say, sticking an adjective on "justice". >> > Yeah. Adjectives imply a lack of purity - some sort of practical > application requiring a degree of specificity lacking in the pure > mathematical construct. > > Plato would be appalled. Euclid too. I'm not so sure about George > Boole - he had to keep a roof over his head wot with the British Isles > having rather raw weather and may well have compromised purity for a > cord of wood and a few lambchops. I think you're thinking of Hegel, who proved that the divine dialectic, the will of God acting through the medium of history, achieved its ultimate in Bismarck's Wilhelmine Empire and its bureaucracy . . . . Or Kant, who did pretty much the same. -- tinmimus99@hotmail.com smeeter 11 or maybe 12 mp 10 mhm 29x13 I recognize no authority but the Constitution of the United States (some parts of it) and the bouncer at Jack's and Charlie's. < Benchley
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:09:14 -0500, mixed nuts <melopsiticus@undulatus.budgie> wrote: >dave hillstrom wrote: >> im reduced to writing ladder logic programs for one of my project >> pieces. gawds. >> >I don't recall hearing George Stibitz grumbling about having been >reduced to paper, scissors, tin cans and bell wire when he was >'programming' the model K. > >I think yer spoiled. -- dave hillstrom mhm15x4 zrbj <This space for rent.>
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:52:26 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> wrote: >On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:00:03 -0500, dave hillstrom wrote: > >> im reduced to writing ladder logic programs for one of my project >> pieces. gawds. > >I don't like it when people use "logic" for anything but Boolean/ >propositional deduction. > >It whiffs too much of, say, sticking an adjective on "justice". tell it to GE Fanuc, Allen Bradley, et al....... -- dave hillstrom mhm15x4 zrbj <This space for rent.>
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 00:12:21 -0500, dave hillstrom wrote: > On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:52:26 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> > wrote: > >>On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:00:03 -0500, dave hillstrom wrote: >> >>> im reduced to writing ladder logic programs for one of my project >>> pieces. gawds. >> >>I don't like it when people use "logic" for anything but Boolean/ >>propositional deduction. >> >>It whiffs too much of, say, sticking an adjective on "justice". > > tell it to GE Fanuc, Allen Bradley, et al....... Not to mention all the goddam algebraists. My point is it's a bad idea to facilitate in any way the idea that there's more than one kind of "logic", since that opens a royal road to all sorts of anti-rational BS. -- tinmimus99@hotmail.com smeeter 11 or maybe 12 mp 10 mhm 29x13 Hoc est ratio? < Lucilius
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 11:10:50 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> wrote: >On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 00:12:21 -0500, dave hillstrom wrote: > >> On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:52:26 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>>On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:00:03 -0500, dave hillstrom wrote: >>> >>>> im reduced to writing ladder logic programs for one of my project >>>> pieces. gawds. >>> >>>I don't like it when people use "logic" for anything but Boolean/ >>>propositional deduction. >>> >>>It whiffs too much of, say, sticking an adjective on "justice". >> >> tell it to GE Fanuc, Allen Bradley, et al....... > >Not to mention all the goddam algebraists. > >My point is it's a bad idea to facilitate in any way the idea that there's >more than one kind of "logic", since that opens a royal road to all sorts >of anti-rational BS. two words: "girl logic" -- dave hillstrom mhm15x4 zrbj <This space for rent.>
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 11:57:37 -0500, dave hillstrom wrote: > On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 11:10:50 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> > wrote: > >>On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 00:12:21 -0500, dave hillstrom wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:52:26 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:00:03 -0500, dave hillstrom wrote: >>>> >>>>> im reduced to writing ladder logic programs for one of my project >>>>> pieces. gawds. >>>> >>>>I don't like it when people use "logic" for anything but Boolean/ >>>>propositional deduction. >>>> >>>>It whiffs too much of, say, sticking an adjective on "justice". >>> >>> tell it to GE Fanuc, Allen Bradley, et al....... >> >>Not to mention all the goddam algebraists. >> >>My point is it's a bad idea to facilitate in any way the idea that there's >>more than one kind of "logic", since that opens a royal road to all sorts >>of anti-rational BS. > > two words: "girl logic" <calmly> I imagine there have been one or two reverse allegations in the past of the existence of some "guy logic". So it goes. -- tinmimus99@hotmail.com smeeter 11 or maybe 12 mp 10 mhm 29x13 I'm a man But I can change If I have to I guess. < "The Man's Prayer"
On Jan 15, 9:12 pm, dave hillstrom <D...@MeOw.OrG> wrote: > On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:52:26 -0500, mimus <tinmimu...@hotmail.com> > wrote: > > >On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:00:03 -0500, dave hillstrom wrote: > > >> im reduced to writing ladder logic programs for one of my project > >> pieces. gawds. > > >I don't like it when people use "logic" for anything but Boolean/ > >propositional deduction. > > >It whiffs too much of, say, sticking an adjective on "justice". > > tell it to GE Fanuc, Allen Bradley, et al....... > If you mention Fanuc ever again, ever, I will rip your fooken head off. Clear? -- Slipped Moebius mhm28x9
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:04:24 -0800, Slipped Moebius wrote: > On Jan 15, 9:12 pm, dave hillstrom <D...@MeOw.OrG> wrote: >> On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:52:26 -0500, mimus <tinmimu...@hotmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> >On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:00:03 -0500, dave hillstrom wrote: >> >> >> im reduced to writing ladder logic programs for one of my project >> >> pieces. gawds. >> >> >I don't like it when people use "logic" for anything but Boolean/ >> >propositional deduction. >> >> >It whiffs too much of, say, sticking an adjective on "justice". >> >> tell it to GE Fanuc, Allen Bradley, et al....... > > If you mention Fanuc ever again, ever, I will rip your fooken head > off. > > Clear? What's that Japanese for? "bit misalignment"? -- tinmimus99@hotmail.com smeeter 11 or maybe 12 mp 10 mhm 29x13 You want a job and a lizard to ride? < _The Einstein Intersection_
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:04:24 -0800 (PST), in the land of alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, Slipped Moebius <erroneouscorrection@yahoo.com> got double secret probation for writing: >On Jan 15, 9:12 pm, dave hillstrom <D...@MeOw.OrG> wrote: >> On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:52:26 -0500, mimus <tinmimu...@hotmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> >On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:00:03 -0500, dave hillstrom wrote: >> >> >> im reduced to writing ladder logic programs for one of my project >> >> pieces. gawds. >> >> >I don't like it when people use "logic" for anything but Boolean/ >> >propositional deduction. >> >> >It whiffs too much of, say, sticking an adjective on "justice". >> >> tell it to GE Fanuc, Allen Bradley, et al....... >> > >If you mention Fanuc ever again, ever, I will rip your fooken head >off. > >Clear? mmmmm, monkey brains. -- Does the name Pavlov ring a bell? Aratzio - Usenet ruiner #2
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:04:24 -0800 (PST), Slipped Moebius <erroneouscorrection@yahoo.com> wrote: >On Jan 15, 9:12 pm, dave hillstrom <D...@MeOw.OrG> wrote: >> On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:52:26 -0500, mimus <tinmimu...@hotmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> >On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:00:03 -0500, dave hillstrom wrote: >> >> >> im reduced to writing ladder logic programs for one of my project >> >> pieces. gawds. >> >> >I don't like it when people use "logic" for anything but Boolean/ >> >propositional deduction. >> >> >It whiffs too much of, say, sticking an adjective on "justice". >> >> tell it to GE Fanuc, Allen Bradley, et al....... >> > >If you mention Fanuc ever again, ever, I will rip your fooken head >off. > >Clear? but you love them, i know! -- dave hillstrom mhm15x4 zrbj <This space for rent.>
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:31:03 -0800, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote: >On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:04:24 -0800 (PST), in the land of >alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, Slipped Moebius ><erroneouscorrection@yahoo.com> got double secret probation for >writing: > >>On Jan 15, 9:12 pm, dave hillstrom <D...@MeOw.OrG> wrote: >>> On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:52:26 -0500, mimus <tinmimu...@hotmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:00:03 -0500, dave hillstrom wrote: >>> >>> >> im reduced to writing ladder logic programs for one of my project >>> >> pieces. gawds. >>> >>> >I don't like it when people use "logic" for anything but Boolean/ >>> >propositional deduction. >>> >>> >It whiffs too much of, say, sticking an adjective on "justice". >>> >>> tell it to GE Fanuc, Allen Bradley, et al....... >>> >> >>If you mention Fanuc ever again, ever, I will rip your fooken head >>off. >> >>Clear? > >mmmmm, monkey brains. i used to love little ge fanuc plc's. love them. true. -- dave hillstrom mhm15x4 zrbj <This space for rent.>
On Jan 16, 4:50 pm, dave hillstrom <D...@MeOw.OrG> wrote: > On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:31:03 -0800, Aratzio <a6ahly...@sneakemail.com> > wrote: > > > > >On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:04:24 -0800 (PST), in the land of > >alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, Slipped Moebius > ><erroneouscorrect...@yahoo.com> got double secret probation for > >writing: > > >>On Jan 15, 9:12 pm, dave hillstrom <D...@MeOw.OrG> wrote: > >>> On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:52:26 -0500, mimus <tinmimu...@hotmail.com> > >>> wrote: > > >>> >On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:00:03 -0500, dave hillstrom wrote: > > >>> >> im reduced to writing ladder logic programs for one of my project > >>> >> pieces. gawds. > > >>> >I don't like it when people use "logic" for anything but Boolean/ > >>> >propositional deduction. > > >>> >It whiffs too much of, say, sticking an adjective on "justice". > > >>> tell it to GE Fanuc, Allen Bradley, et al....... > > >>If you mention Fanuc ever again, ever, I will rip your fooken head > >>off. > > >>Clear? > > >mmmmm, monkey brains. > > i used to love little ge fanuc plc's. love them. true. > You use heroin. I can tell. -- Slipped Moebius mhm28x9
dave hillstrom <DaVe@MeOw.OrG> wrote in news:5meqo3ps3ca636rokc24l3hcah0thkfmu4@4ax.com: > im reduced to writing ladder logic programs for one of my project > pieces. gawds. > what is this i prefer your slow cooked pork products post at least pork is universally loved well cept for the musl... headkase
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:41:06 -0800 (PST), Slipped Moebius <erroneouscorrection@yahoo.com> wrote: >On Jan 16, 4:50 pm, dave hillstrom <D...@MeOw.OrG> wrote: >> On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:31:03 -0800, Aratzio <a6ahly...@sneakemail.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:04:24 -0800 (PST), in the land of >> >alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, Slipped Moebius >> ><erroneouscorrect...@yahoo.com> got double secret probation for >> >writing: >> >> >>On Jan 15, 9:12 pm, dave hillstrom <D...@MeOw.OrG> wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:52:26 -0500, mimus <tinmimu...@hotmail.com> >> >>> wrote: >> >> >>> >On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:00:03 -0500, dave hillstrom wrote: >> >> >>> >> im reduced to writing ladder logic programs for one of my project >> >>> >> pieces. gawds. >> >> >>> >I don't like it when people use "logic" for anything but Boolean/ >> >>> >propositional deduction. >> >> >>> >It whiffs too much of, say, sticking an adjective on "justice". >> >> >>> tell it to GE Fanuc, Allen Bradley, et al....... >> >> >>If you mention Fanuc ever again, ever, I will rip your fooken head >> >>off. >> >> >>Clear? >> >> >mmmmm, monkey brains. >> >> i used to love little ge fanuc plc's. love them. true. >> > >You use heroin. I can tell. if only. theyre so ky00t!!! -- dave hillstrom mhm15x4 zrbj <This space for rent.>
On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 03:58:08 GMT, psykoexgirlfriend <psykoexgirlfriend@hotmail.com> wrote: >dave hillstrom <DaVe@MeOw.OrG> wrote in >news:5meqo3ps3ca636rokc24l3hcah0thkfmu4@4ax.com: > >> im reduced to writing ladder logic programs for one of my project >> pieces. gawds. >> > >what is this > >i prefer your slow cooked pork products post > >at least pork is universally loved > >well cept for the musl... ladder logic is a language that was introduced by manufacturers to be as close to relay logic, the old way things were done, in manufacturing environs. FYI. HTH. FOAD. -- dave hillstrom mhm15x4 zrbj <This space for rent.>
dave hillstrom <DaVe@MeOw.OrG> wrote in news:3hqto3da8tbacd8blfishumenvlnd7ffbh@4ax.com: > On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 03:58:08 GMT, psykoexgirlfriend > <psykoexgirlfriend@hotmail.com> wrote: > >>dave hillstrom <DaVe@MeOw.OrG> wrote in >>news:5meqo3ps3ca636rokc24l3hcah0thkfmu4@4ax.com: >> >>> im reduced to writing ladder logic programs for one of my project >>> pieces. gawds. >>> >> >>what is this >> >>i prefer your slow cooked pork products post >> >>at least pork is universally loved >> >>well cept for the musl... > > ladder logic is a language that was introduced by manufacturers to be > as close to relay logic, the old way things were done, in > manufacturing environs. FYI. HTH. FOAD. > please stop me from googling relay logic.
