So what's the deal with the Keystone XL pipeline project?

Would that be the "Fox truth"? It just amazes me that people can actually believe that one news source is the only truth out there and all the other unrelated news sources must be in cahoots against the truth. How delusional do you really have to be to find that scenario even plausible? Too funny!

 

You specifically stated "The Media" without any qualification. What you really wanted to say is the "left wing media" isn't agreeing with what the "right wing media" is saying and you think the right wing media is the only one's telling you the straight truth. You just don't think the media is giving it the attention you think it warrants. Did it ever dawn on you that it is getting all the attention it needs.

Yes, Solyndra was a mess. However, it isn't anything like loosing a pallet with 12 billion dollars on it. The sheer lack of actual things they can use against Obama just annoys the mess our of the Right Wing.

I had to look up LightSquared. What about this bothers you? There is no evidence that the company ever contributed to Obama's campaign. In fact, Obama sold stock he owned in the company at a loss in 2005. I think its just another blown out of proportion thing for Republicans to get upset about. (See what I did there when I said I think as a way to show the source.)

 

Did you also find out about Beacon Power Corp? Evergreen Solar Inc.?

 

It's a tactic to force Canada to sale the oil to China. The strategy goal is Iran war.

STOP REPEATING THE SAME STORY IN MULTIPLE THREADS​

 

Heard a new one today. Now Ener1 went bankrupt - AKA Enron1 according to Biden.
http://www.businessweek.com/news/20...subsidized-battery-unit-seeks-bankruptcy.html

 

And private industry is just so much more trustworthy than government....

SEC to Investigate TransCanada's Lies on Keystone XL Job Claims

Today Greenpeace sent a letter to the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) asking them to stop TransCanada Corporation from continuing to illegally mislead investors and the American public with wildly inflated job creation claims for its Keystone XL tar sands pipeline.

TransCanada and its allies in Congress (TransCanada has spent $1.3 million dollars on lobbying for Keystone XL) have routinely used deceitful jobs numbers in their support of the Keystone pipeline, claiming that it would create 20,000 jobs in America. In reality the pipeline will create less than 1/3rd that number, possibly far less according to studies by the EPA and Cornell University.

Furthermore, TransCanada knows its jobs claims are exaggerated. According to the company, the U.S. pipeline would create jobs at a rate 67 times higher per mile of pipeline than the rate given to Canadian officials for the miles of pipeline it would build in that country.

http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/en/ne...tigate-transcanadas-lies-on-keyst/blog/38830/

 

Since you repeat, I will repeat;

I will add that you have no chance of convincing me that jobs and exports will not be created by this pipeline. It has been been under review for longer than it took the USA to fight and win WWII. It has been blessed by all except BO. What else is left?

BTW, the EPA and Cornell forecasts cite as cause the for their reduced figures as the recovery of the crude in Canada, not the pipeline or refining of the crude. If anyone here thinks that if we do not accept the crude from Canada, they will not send it to China, I have some land to sell the about 1,000 mile due east of NYC

 

I respect Greenpeace but they hardly can be considered unbiased in this case.

I'll ask moen again...other than the jobs created building the pipeline, can't you foresee jobs being created from the ripple effect? Hotels, restaurants, entertainment, retail, etc. There are multipliers in place to predict the impact the pipeline would of had on job creation associated with the project.

 

Massive profit and oil for export (increasing massive profit to the fat cats) is the only agenda here.

A giant asteroid hits the earth and disintegrates it into a gazillion pieces. The ripple effect for rock collectors would be outstanding.

Bottom line, it's oil for export, for the fat cats. AS USUAL. Screw the pipeline, and concentrate of our fresh water supply before the pipeline advocates poison it with their future oil disasters, then try an sell us fresh water at a huge markup, and then, start the process all over again.
Socialism is always a bad idea unless the recipients of the socialism are big oil interests.

 

Oh, geesh....is it back?

 

No doubt other indirect financials benefit would be guaranteed at least temporarily to local economies. Anyone who said differently would be lying. But, given the potential environmental dangers from spills to refining pollution this stuff produces to all the danger that comes with processing and burning this heavy sour crude on both ends of the pipeline, is it really worth a couple of temporary jobs and a tiny bump to local economies? There are just bigger issues than a couple of cents in a few local economies to consider. I believe in the end, this pipeline will be built anyway.

 

How do you know they will be "temporary"? Or will provide a "tiny bump" to the local economies? And as a supporter of BO's stimulus packages why would you have a problem with your self-described "temporary" "tiny bumps" in the first place?

 

You would not care to show me any reference indicating just;
Why Keystone pipe would not be safer than the existing 25,000 mile already over the Nebraska Ogallala aquifer?
Why any "heavy sour crude" is ever burned?
Why there is any "danger" in processing this crude?

 

Well, when a pipe is in the ground, it really doesn't take a heck of a lot of people to stand over it and watch it does it? And when this pipeline creates or saves the millions of jobs that the stimulus saved, then I will be for it. And by the way, the projected jobs are two years max with maybe 70 people hired at the end of the project. It's hard to really know because Transcanada has already lied so much, but even they say the jobs laying the pipeline are about two years max.

 

Man, you are great at coming up with these factoids without any reference. Problem is your "facts" are nothing but left wing lies.

 

OK have it your way. They will hire 20,000 people to stand over the groud where the pipe is buried. Another Left-wing lie.

 

Do you have so much as a small clue as to what this pipeline/crude will really be doing? So far you do not know how the pipeline is built, you don't know how the line will be operated, you don't know what will be done with the crude, you don't know how the crude will be processed, you don't know what will be done with the end products, etc. However, you have sure learned the left talking points. You just cannot back them up with any facts.

 

No, no you win, TransCanada will hire 20,000 people on a permanent basis to stand over the buried pipeline. Gotcha chief!

 

WOW! You cannot even get your sarcasm based in facts, can you?

 

I'm agreeing with you. Can't you take a "win" with grace? I am agreeing that TransCanada WILL hire 20,000 workers in this country on a permanent basis and they will be put to work standing over a buried pipeline once it has been laid. All that Left-wing propaganda about TransCanada claims being false are just that, propaganda. You and David are absolutely right! I'm sure the 20,000 jobs will be permanent and that they'll keep all 20,000 workers employed once the pipeline is laid. How could I have been so silly as to think that they wouldn't need those 20,000 people once the pipeline has been laid. I guess that I was just relying on factoids as you said when you said that my post was just a Left-wing lie.