Saddam and Al Queda

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Danr, Nov 22, 2005.

  1. Danr

    Danr New Member

    I am not blaming the Jews (though I do have a prob with the Likud party, as does Sharon, the Isrealis have there rightwing nut jobs also). I was pointing out the irony of the fact that THE UN RESOLUTIONS were used to justify the invsion of Iraq. My comment had more to do with the UN than the Jews or Isreal.
     
  2. Danr

    Danr New Member

  3. Andy

    Andy Well-Known Member


    Nutjobs? Israel has had the bomb for so many years with Likud in power and they never used it. In fact in every conflict that nation has fought for survival and yet they always shown restraint.

    It seems to me that the left, and I do not consider all liberals left but some leftists call themselves liberals, always resorts to name calling to prevert the truth.

    As for the UN, don't get me started on all of the genocides that took place under their watch, there troops were present, and how that body did nothing
    but watch.

    (Thanks Midas).
     
  4. Andy

    Andy Well-Known Member

    Good observation. If only more people can read inbetween the headlines.
    I once heard a smarter person then myself state something along the lines, "If you want to know what is going to happen politically tommorrow around the world, then read the financial pages today."
     
  5. quick dog

    quick dog New Member


    Purchasing 70 Boeing 777s was a real gesture. It helps the massive trade-deficit. Regardless, I believe that I shall come unglued the next time the Chinese drag out another stupid panda bear. Wing Wing, Ding Dong, or whatever. What a hapless attempt at cultural bonding. Knock down one of our planes, imprison the crew, extort the US goverment for compensation, then roll out another stupid panda bear. It all balances out I suppose........................NOT. :desk:
     
  6. Danr

    Danr New Member

    Andy did you notice SHARON (of all people) is calling the Likud to extreme, SHARON!! He is leaving that political party for its extremeism. As you know Sharon is neither leftist or liberal.
    Now my original point was that it is beyond silly to use UN resolutions as a justification to go to war. It is even sillier to mention how bad it is for Iraq to have 14(?) resolutions and then tout Isreal who have more than that.
    As for the UN itself it seems to be the best we have for now, I too would like to see substantial improvement there.
    Now Isreal and the bomb, maybe we should start a thread on just that (it is a big issue)
    What Isreali bomb? ;)
     
  7. Danr

    Danr New Member

    Basically if you are not watching China (and, maybe more importantly) India you are missing the real story of our time. Islam is a sideshow.
     
  8. Andy

    Andy Well-Known Member

    China has been a major story since there was a China.
    India is a democracy and a friend of the United States in which I have noticed that the Bush administration has reached out for closer ties with military and terrorism options.

    I fail to see how anyone could view the middle east and what was before US intervention the largest arab military power as side show.
     
  9. Danr

    Danr New Member

    The long term impact of the Asian giants will be greater
     
  10. Andy

    Andy Well-Known Member

    The muslims want us dead. The chinese want our technology and money, India is a democracy and a friend. I don't understand your fears about Asia and feel that it is a line being fed somewhere to take our eyes off the ball.

    If India and China become economic superpowers, then be it. It would most likely make the world a safer and better place in the long run.
    Now maybe that is also my liberal side speaking but the less poor people the better I always thought.
     
  11. Danr

    Danr New Member

    I am not saying the Asian giants will come at us with military force. I am saying that they will progress very quickly and the results will be unpredictable and interesting (sometimes in our favor, often not). There is a common illusion that we can manage these giants with trade deals, secret economic ops, and such, but the results of these measures are not going to always be the desired results (again for better or worse). As for the Muslims they are in no way a major threat and here is why: in todays world brain power rules, over labor, over energy, over military, innovation and brain power rule. The Islamic world have produced very little if any significant innoation in any field for centuries (am I wrong?). One of the main reasons they lack in innovation is that they keep one half of their population in ignorance (women), the brain power of Islamic women is probably the greatest untapped resource in the world today. BTW in China women have great freedom, it is one of the basic tenents of Moaist communism (though in family life women often still suffer), India needs improvement in this area also.
     
  12. Andy

    Andy Well-Known Member

    Danr have you ever noticed the amount of female doctors from India. If you live near a major city, you should have.

    I thought you were suppose to be liberal minded. Are the liberals against poor people becoming middle class right now? I thought it was a good thing that China and India are getting richer as nations. Then again I have been called KKK, nazi and other things by the leftist for thinking.

    Are you muslim or just blinded by the left's lies your so called weak muslims have been commiting genocide upon genocide in this world since Muhammad raised his bloody sword. This terrorist spree is nothing new and they will not stop it until there are no other religions and only one branch of islam.
     
  13. craigG

    craigG New Member

    How can we win?

    Easy! We could shut down the borders with Iran and Syria, that would immediately cut off the murdering scum's escape and supply route. We could
    go after the enemy, instead of just letting him blow up convoys and concrete barriers. We could nuke Iran and Syria, which would eradicate most of the problem. A lot of the terrorists are coming from Iran, because they want us to leave so they can take over. Get rid of them and the process is much easier. Now you can go check with Moen to see whether you should agree
    with me or disagree. :D

    Regards,
    CraigG
     
  14. rambozo

    rambozo New Member

    "We could nuke Iran and Syria, which would eradicate most of the problem."

    no way. we do that and the number of people that would go up in arms against the U.S. would be more than you could count not to mention that it would most likly devide this country.
     
  15. craigG

    craigG New Member

    Nuking Iran and Syria is a good idea, but you're right, there would be a ton of people protesting it. Which is exactly why it'd be a good idea. They know they can keep doing this stuff because the U.S is too afraid of these scoundrels to do anything.

    Regards,
    CraigG
     
  16. rambozo

    rambozo New Member

    using nukes is always a bad idea. if we used nukes then the next time another country went to war and had nuke they would be used.and so on and so on until nuclear war is a normal thing. which for me (as im planning to be around for the 60 years) would be a bad thing
     
  17. quick dog

    quick dog New Member

    Am I the only one here that thinks talking about "nuking" people is wierd? This seems to me to provide a solid argument for the large-scale public distribution of free Prozak. :vanish:
     
  18. craigG

    craigG New Member

    First tell me whether you believe that Islam is a threat to you and your society that must be crushed or not. Then I'll answer your above question.

    Regards,
    CraigG
     
  19. quick dog

    quick dog New Member

    Fundamentalist Islam is a world-problem. However it is not worthy of the "nuclear option". G.W. Bush and company will have turned the corner on terrorism by the time he leaves office in 2008. The Islamic problem will continue for decades, but IMHO, it is not, and will not be, an overwhelming problem.

    One needs to remember that there are probably more Americans in the world than Arabs. There are certainly an awful lot of Muslims, but they will certainly not "call the tunes" in the future. Never. Every year that Muslim fanatics continue to raise hell with western democracies, their world shrinks. Most Muslims of the world are poor and ignorant. Islamic fanatism marginalizes them even further.

    Islamic terrorists have caused so much trouble in Great Britain that the Brits have called out the dogs. Now, according to Muslim media personalities (Link TV), jihadists are moving to Holland to establish operations bases. Eventually, the fanatics will wear-out their welcomes everywhere.

    The "nuclear option" as a potential solution for Muslim extremism is a silly concept, not worthy of serious discussion. It has no redeeming value. :(
     
  20. Danr

    Danr New Member

    We are causing much of the problem be messing with them. We should back off before we create a charismatic cunning leader over there. We are causing our own problems. If a powerful leader emerges out of this then we will learn what trouble is.
     

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