Rudy will say anything...

The conservative arguments are usually very easy to counter, they rarely rely on reason (they resort to fear).

 

Isn't the counter-argument in the ear of the beholder? In other words, doesn't the person who made the original argument have to be able to hear, comprehend, or be open to opposing opinions? I don't see that happening when you are an answer looking for a question. You approach everything in the same manner. You decide what is right and go out and look for support for your position while paying no attention to anything that may counter your argument. You then go out and label everyone opposed to your view and put words in their mouths and ignore any arguments that agree with you if they are coming from the opposition, which is really the strange part. Finally, you demand proof from your adversaries while offering nothing of substance in return.
I know that you are infallible in your own mind but we don't live there and I for one am not planning on visiting anytime soon.

 

When it is based on allegations there is no need to have an open mind. If you ever decide to make a statement based on facts I am sure you would have more people who want to hear what you have to say, until then we will keep calling you a liar and an appeaser.

 

I was actually talking to Midas but as long as you feel the need to insert your opinion...You assume that everything that you don't agree with is based on allegations. Facts to you are subjective and you revert to labeling anyone that you disagree with and assume the words that will come out of their mouths before they are spoken because you "already know" what someone that you have stereotyped is going to say.
Finally, you say that there is no need for an open mind indicating that yours is usually closed and there are only specific criteria that have to be in place before you open it. That does not surprise me in the least. Calling people names and labeling them is a clear indication of a closed mind. If that is what you have to resort to, you've already lost any argument.

 

Case in point...

According to the I.R.S., the top 50% wage earners PAY over 96% of all taxes collected. That is a FACT!

However, if you suggest that maybe...just maybe...there is too much tax burdern placed on the workers and producers of this country, you are labeled as "greedy" and "insensitive" or whatever mud your local democrat can sling.

Why? They can't argue with numbers and facts, so let the name calling begin!!

Prove to me where I am WRONG...otherwise, I will have to lable the likes of your 'math' and lack of intellignece for who YOU are!

After all...stupid is as stupid does! Just ask a liberal democrat!

 

Facts are fine as long as they are relevant. What difference does it make who pays what in taxes, does that entitle them to MORE of a say in how our taxes are spent? I don't think so and that is the real issue here. Should someone paying more in taxes every year get to decide what to spend those taxes on? How would you go about deciding who gets first choice? You know and I know that it isn't important who pays what but how the money gets spent once it is collected. You never seem to talk about that aspect. For that matter, you never seem to talk about anything else BUT money. I just don't think money is as important as you obviously do. Maybe you have nothing else in your life. Who knows and who really cares.

 

Ok lets say that is true, why is that bad???

 

This is exactly the mind set of Democarats in this country, they could care less where it comes from, just as long at it keeps coming in and THEY get to say how its is used. Let's talk about this aspect if you don't mind.

 

No, wrong again, FACTS are FACTS!

 

Hilarious conversation as usual guys! As a former “educator” you would think the old one could form a coherent sentence occasionally. Anyone could have taken his sentence the way Danr did given the way it was written but instead of understand that you guys prefer to attack and call people names. Doesn’t this pathetic tactic ever get old with your crowd? Call people names, label them, put words in their mouth , and yell the loudest. Sounds like some pretty fragile egos to me. Do you guys also drive really big trucks to compensate for something else?

 

I drive a really big truck because I can. I enjoy looking down upon you Liberals in your tin-can go carts.

 

For some reason, that doesn't surprise me and niether does that non-stop naming call you guys can't seem to live without. I guess that is all you guys have. How sad for you.

 

That's right...if you ask liberals like our appeasing buddy above how much MORE they want to TAX at the expense of OTHER people that work and make this country work, they will never give you an answer.

I cited I.R.S. figures that the top 50% of wage earners pay over 96% of taxes collected. If you ask a liberal how much MORE of other people's income they wish to TAKE and redistribute to their "Jerry-Springer-type" voting base, they then attack you as "greedy" or "insensitive" of whatever name they can muster because they have NO LOGIC or RATIONAL to justify their call for more government and more taxes.

That's right folks! The same liberals who champion how social security is operated along with the department of motor vehicles want MORE of this government know-how in our lives from cradle to grave with taxes all along the way!

But, if you think about it....it is soooooooooooo easy to be a liberal democrat when you take and spend SOMEBODY'S elses money for programs to make them "feel" good...but never themselves!

So....how much MORE do you want???

 

Forgot to add that the average small business person HAS to pay 15.3% in social security right off of the top. Add in a 30% federal tax rate NOT including STATE and LOCAL taxes, we are already paying over 50 cents of every dollar in taxes!!

Not enough for your liberals? Well then...how much MORE do you want??

Remember...many liberals would love to see a 100% tax rate on the producers and movers of this country, but simply can't understand that will work for year #1 only! After all, why work, risk capital, and sweat if more and more of YOUR EARNED money is going to end up in some government socialist agency??

They just dont get it because they can't do simple math.

They must be the product of government schools where 2 plus 2 equals 4 IF you feel it equals 4. After all, if you feel it equals 5 based on your stupidity level, how insensitive it would be for me to tell you liberals that you are simply WRONG!

 

Ahhhh! More name calling, stereotyping, putting words in other peoples mouths, and labeling. When you actually have something to say, please let us all know. It sure would be a nice change.

 

Then I will make this VERY simple for you Moen...how much MORE should those that work, produce and pay over 96% of the taxes coming into out treasury (the top 50%) PAY???

It is a simple question because obviously through your standard "deflection" response, 50% is NOT enough!!

This is NOT too hard for you...is it??

 

I can't even count anymore how many times you've asked and I've given you an answer to that exact same stupid question. You don't want an answer; you want to state an opinion in the form of a question.

How much is enough for you? What percent is O.K. for you personally? I would pay no taxes if I could get away with it but I don't see either party allowing me to do that. So I pay and watch as Republicans spend 10,000 dollars on toilet seats and those pesky Democrats have the audacity to spend money on taxpayers. Shame on them, spending money on people that actually pay taxes instead of on large military contractors. How much more of our tax money does the military industrial complex want from us anyway? They already get more money than all other countries combined, isn’t that enough? Do the Republicans have to get us into even more wars so we can buy even more weapons?
I don’t care if every single person in this country pays exactly the same percentage in taxes, it’s what is done with those taxes that really matters and you can’t seem to see that because you are so stuck on your stupid question/statement.

 

Well then...there is hope for you.



Also...Then you would support a line item veto...right?

BTW...I did answer how much tax is enough before. Correct me if I am wrong, but do you you want more taxes or not? If not, there is hope for you!

 

The line item veto was already passed and rejected as unconstitutional by the supreme court. It's a dead issue. I doubt anyone is willing to change the constitution to get it passed. It just ain't going to happen. Move on.

 

Good! Then I see you support a Fair Tax. Like I said, there is hope for you!

If Congress wants to give the president the line item veto, they will have to pass a constitutional amendment. Which I strongly support...as did all Presidents including Clinton and Bush.

You want to control spending? Then you hold all of this pork (sorry you muslims) responsible to the Congress person that slipped it into these bills.

It would be right for Congress to pass this amendment. But what does Congress do "right" any how?