Romney: 'Victims' comment not elegantly stated ....DAH!!!!!

I thought it was odd (though not necessarily out of character) for lil joe moen to make a comment about me being on the public dole then avoid explaining what he meant by it. Then it dawned on me! You have to consider the ideology the far left hammers into it's minions. lil joe moen knows I retired at 45 but in his world that means drawing a check from the gov't not living off the fruits of your labor & success. Me being able to retire at 45 and live comfortably off what I've saved pokes holes in the liberal narrative that gov't should be the center of everyone's world and we aren't capable of surviving without the benevolence of Washington.
It took a minute but I got it....

 

I think has much, much more to do with your well-known propensity for lying. In your own words, you retired for health reasons and now it's because you are such a financial whiz that you can simply walk away from us wage earners and become another parasite on the ass of society. I believe you.

 

Joe 2 David 0 - and just to make sure Teddy understands that is lies on this page.

 

Lying to support your liberal narrative?

 

Why can't someone retire for health reasons AND have enough to live on for the rest of their lives? The answer is: They most certainly can.

 

Don't say that too loud, lil joe moen and his ilk may some 'splaining to do to the other lemmings

 

OK lets slow this down just for you. I ask about fed-e-ral in-come tax-es, not sales nor property but fed-e-ral. So one more time …….
What percentage should Americans should not have to pay fed-e-ral income taxes?
To be fair I will answer your questions in order…..Q1,yes…… Q2&Q3, I haven’t taken a poll but I do know several………Q4 Me and all the people in my state pay no sales the week before school starts on clothes, school supplies, computers, etc. (Does your state do that?)……Q5,none….Q6 We pay no state tax……Q7,Yes.

Ok, I answered your questions now would you please give me the courtesy of answering mine. Leave out state,local, property, social security,and all that other bull. I understand this is as difficult for you as the “what is the top percentage Americans should pay in taxes question”, but a simple number will do.

 

Peggy Noonan​

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I think there is a broad and growing feeling now, among Republicans, that this thing is slipping out of Romney’s hands.​

It’s time to admit the Romney campaign is an incompetent one. It’s not big, it’s not brave, it’s not thoughtfully tackling great issues. It’s always been too small for the moment.All the activists, party supporters and big donors should be pushing for change. People want to focus on who at the top is least constructive and most responsible. Fine, but Mitt Romney is no puppet: He chooses who to listen to. An intervention is in order. ​

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“Mitt, this isn’t working.”​

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Interesting topic.

For starters, if one likes Romney or not, I don't think this is something he needs to boost his campaign.

If 47% of Americans are not filing taxes who are they and why?

Would a lot of them be senior citizens? Seems so. Therefore if you need to cut costs bring on the legendary "death panels" but do it for real.
Cut off Social Security. It would be a logical step after all.

Somehow I don't think the Tea Partiers would like this though.

There is ONE way that Romney could possibly defend his words though.

Not something I've really touched on actually.

That would be tax returns. Show people how he has given more than 47% of the people recently. Show people how he has consistently given more or even a comparable percentage.

Walk the walk, don't talk the talk.

Certainly hope NONE of those 47% are Republicans.

 

DICK MORRIS​

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Mitt Romney is right​

There is no sin greater in a presidential race than telling the truth. Romney is being excoriated for accurately describing the situation in America today. Here are the stats:​

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*49% of all Americans pay no fed income tax​

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*47% receive a check from the government of which more than half are means tested welfare checks (Medicaid, welfare, food stamps, etc.)​

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*36% of all Americans of working age are either not working or looking for work.​

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We must remember, however, that a great many of those who receive checks from the government have earned them. Some by their taxes over the years to Social Security and Medicare and others by paying a deeper price by service to their country. ​

The benefits Romney was talking about are means tested benefits, distributed based on income. All together 100 million Americans receive such benefits (out of a total population of 308 million), these benefits include welfare, food stamps, Section 8 housing, Medicaid and other such programs. ​

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Generalities are always unjust. And painting with broad strokes will do many individuals an injustice. But the fact remains that our electorate is basically bifurcated into those who pay taxes and those who receive benefits.​

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The danger comes not with the benefit but with the sense of entitlement. Why do so many people feel Romney will be better at improving the economy and yet still plan to vote for Obama? The answer is that they care more about preserving their entitlements than about improving the economy. They have come to rely on political action more than economic growth as the key to their solvency.​

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Did Romney err in telling it like it is? It would have been better if he had made a forthright, factual statement on the issue. It looks bad for these unpleasant facts to come out in a "gotcha" moment at a videotaped private event. But the fact remains that an Obama reelection would turn the tide psychologically in America from the land of upward mobility through hard work and initiative and toward a country akin to Greece: dependent on government aid in the form of a subsidy and government handouts. ​

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By stating this fundamental truth, albeit off the record, Romney has done a service for which he should be praised not excoriated. It all boils down to what John Kennedy said: There are those who ask what their country can do for you, and those who ask what you can do for your country.​

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Dick Morris is a Fox News contributor and author. His latest book is "Screwed!: How Foreign Countries Are Ripping America Off and Plundering Our Economy-and How Our Leaders Help Them Do It." Visit his website: www.dickmorris.com and follow him on Twitter@dickmorris.​

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Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/09/18/mitt-romney-gets-it-right/#ixzz26tByOS2A​

 

Waaaa

Waaaaay to much MSNBC-LSD for you.

 

BTW, I guess your failure to answer my question (post #27) just means you don't want people to know your answer would be at least 51% or greater.

 

First of all, Peggy Noonan is a Republican and writes for the liberal rag the Wall Street Journal. Second, what does this have to do with MSNBC?

 

Sorry, skimmed it and missed the question. I answer direct questions with direct answers for those who respond in kind. You generally do so I will pay you the same courteously. I think it is the best way to understand each other but is rarely adhered to in this forum.

Your question:

Ok, I answered your questions now would you please give me the courtesy of answering mine. Leave out state,local, property, social security,and all that other bull. I understand this is as difficult for you as the “what is the top percentage Americans should pay in taxes question”, but a simple number will do.


You are asking me, What is the top percentage Americans should pay in taxes question?


I believe in a progressive tax system not a flat tax system. The top rate has been as much as 90% for top wage earners and has fallen to what people like Romney pay 13.9% or zero percent in many cases. I'm open to a top tax rate of 50% or higher for people making a million dollars a year or more. I'd even go higher with a good argument. You have to admit that even at 50% tax rate, people like Romney would do fine. They like to call it redistribution of "their" money but that really says that taxable income, which we all recognize as the basis of government revenue which benefits everyone in the country is really theirs to give or not to give. I disagree with that. We all benefit from all that we have built, fought and died for together as a country and this attitude of me-me-me simply says I've got mine thanks to everything this country has provided in the past but I don't want to contribute anything towards that country nor it's future. It just smacks of greed and seems rather antithetical to the American way of life.

 

Thank you, Karl Marx.

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Have you been drinking the Kool-Aid again, Little Joe?

10-part report raises questions about narrative of Obama's early life​

A newly published report raises questions about some established narratives in the early life of President Obama, suggesting the president's upbringing was one of privilege and not hardship.

The Washington Examiner published a 10-part report detailing Obama's path to the White House. Some of the information appears to conflict with the narratives the Obamas and the Democratic Party have pushed, most recently at the party's convention in Charlotte.

At the convention, Michelle Obama said they "were both raised by families who didn't have much in the way of money or material possessions."

Examiner Executive Editor Mark Tapscott questioned that.

"I'm sure he had a difficult childhood given the circumstances with his parents, but from a financial standpoint and social standpoint and so forth , it was not an underprivileged childhood," Tapscott said.

The Examiner reports that the Indonesian neighborhood, Menteng, where Obama's mother and step-father raised the young Barry Soetoro was the most exclusive in Jakarta.

Later sent to live with his grandparents in Hawaii where his grandmother was a bank vice president, Obama attended the exclusive Punahoe school. He later went on to Columbia University and Harvard Law School.

In his first job as a Chicago community organizer, Obama rejected more lucrative offers.

But while he worked in the city's impoverished Southside, he lived in exclusive Hyde Park.

Of his 12 years as a lecturer at the University of Chicago Law School, Time Magazine said in 2008: "Within a few years he had become a rock star professor with hordes of devoted students." But student evaluations obtained by the Examiner tell a different story. In 2003, only a third of students recommended his courses.

"It went steadily down in the last five or six years that he was there. He was among the lowest-ranked professors," Tapscott said.
Nor did the future president leave any record of scholarly writings, while similarly credentialed colleagues had a prolific presence in law journals.

"He showed up to class, he gave his lectures and he was gone," Tapscott said.

The Examiner found sharp contrasts between Obama's memory of his legal work, and the record of it.

In "Dreams From My Father," he wrote: "In my legal practice, I work mostly with churches and community groups, men and women who quietly built grocery stores and health clinics in the inner city, and housing for the poor."

But a document filed with the Illinois Secretary of State shows the young lawyer represented some well-heeled clients. In one case, he represented a politically connected preacher and real estate developer, Bishop Arthur Brazier, who had failed to provide heating and running water to 15 apartments in the dead of winter. Obama's client had all the tenants forcibly removed from the building, yet paid only a $50 fine under Obama's legal counsel.

For all of his critics on the right, community organizer Obama left many colleagues on the left disheartened, by allegedly selling out to the Chicago establishment.

The late radical journalist Robert Fitch, who specialized in urban politics, said: "What we see is that the Chicago core of the Obama Coalition is made of blacks who've moved up by moving poor blacks out."

D'Anna Carter, a neighborhood activist, singled out the president's closest aid, Valerie Jarrett, for criticism. Jarrett was CEO of Habitat Co., a low-income real estate firm that made millions of dollars in part by leveraging federal programs like the Low Income Housing Tax Credit with subprime lending to poor people.

"They were never interested in poor people. They would sell poor people a bill of goods," Carter said.

Some argue that President Obama won office on his strength as a reformer - he did vow to "fundamentally transform America." But the Examiner found as a state senator he rejected overtures to reform the Chicago machine.

"He made it pretty clear he wasn't interested in risk-taking or challenging the Chicago machine's lock on a lot of mechanics of government in Cook County in Chicago," said one frustrated former colleague, former state Sen. Steve Rauschenberger.

Mayor Richard J Daley -- the last of the big city bosses -- built that machine by rewarding allies with patronage positions. Today, Obama's choice of aides suggests an unbreakable bond to that machine. Closest aide Valerie Jarrett, campaign adviser David Axelrod, and former chiefs of staff Rahm Emanuel and Bill Daley all cut their political teeth in the Daley machine.

The legendary Chicago Tribune writer Mike Royko once penned this advice to mayoral candidate Richard M. Daley, the son of the big city boss: "Reward your friends and punish your enemies." It is a phrase the president once used to describe how Latinos should think about elections.

In a 2010 interview, Obama urged Latinos to say: "We're gonna punish our enemies and reward our friends who stand with us on issues that are important to us."

To that end, The Examiner says 31 Obama campaign bundlers received clean-energy loans and grants totaling more than $16 billion. The auto bailout favored the United Auto Workers -- over secured creditors -- and eight of the 10 states getting the most contracts from the stimulus program were heavily Democratic.

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Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/20/10-part-report-raises-questions-about-narrative-obama-early-life/#ixzz271ueJFIZ​

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Thanks for that socialistic redistributionist and achievement punishing answer. I remember some time ago when you were challenged to put that one into words. Since I’m not a PL careerist, I missed that one and might have to go look it up for the fun of it.

Whether you ‘skimmed over it’ or artful dodge I was only referring to the question that you answered above as a reference to your inability to answer a particular question in the past.

So with that said I will ask the primary question again and thanks in advance for your answer.

What percentage of Americans should not have to pay federal income taxes?

 

The latest is that the recording released originally was incomplete. How interesting. The liberals caught lying again.

Oh! BTW, Teddy, the originators have admitted it. i wonder if that will get any publicity.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/watch-full-secret-video-private-romney-fundraiser

 

And just to add fuel to the fire, David Corn (the originator of the Romney 47% tape tape) is an employee of NBC. And another log to the fire - NBC refuses to air the Obama redistribution tape, are you ready for this, BECAUSE IT CANNOT BE VERIFIED.

 

Uh oh, well that says just about everything we need to know. Hell, if he works for NBC, just "shoot the messenger" and forget this non-story. Nothing coming out of NBC is anything but lies, innuendoes and falsehoods. You can't even consider what they spew as "news"; they're more like a nest of political, partisan drones who wouldn't know news if it bit them on the tail.

We don't need to hear any more Obama "redistribution" jabber. We all know he wants to redistribute wealth. It's his socialistic mantra and he wants to subject the American populace to it and subvert us to his will. If he wins another term, it may indeed become a Triumph of the Will.