Ready for more truth about Obamacare?

Whatever you say..

 

Hey Lucy!

This guy's a Liberal shill. He just re-posts Liberal talking points without considering the material. He never has thoughtful discussions...just contradicts anything you say.

 

Yak! You posted just the right quote! Ha ha! Thank you.

 

What's wrong, Mr. RB. Too many fact getting in your way?

 

Everyone needs to go to Joe's link to the Kiser Family health care calculator and play with the numbers. Here's what I got stating an income of $11,000.00 a year for a 21 year old, single, non-smoker. Premium: 100% covered. Out of pocket, well here's what I copied from the link........

Your out-of-pocket maximum for a Silver plan (not including the premium) can be no more than $6,350. Whether you reach this maximum level will depend on the amount of health care services you use. Currently, about one in four people use no health care services in any given year.

Cool, poor people pay over half their yearly income in deductibles. And also, what is meant by "a government tax credit subsidy". Does this mean that you pay the premium out of pocket and get a tax credit when you file at the end of the year. How exactly does this work for someone barely making it paycheck to paycheck. Please, enlighten me.

Here's Joe's link, just for fun....
http://kff.org/interactive/subsidy-calculator

 

Wanna see how crazy this program is? Instead of using a lower income, put in a higher income & see how much of a taxpayer subsidy people with substantial incomes can still qualify for.
This just confirms what many of us have been saying all along...Obamacare was never about helping people, it's about control- control by getting people addicted to dependence on the government.

 

I'm not a liberal shill....I am a liberal. We are the ones the public is siding with. You are the ones with all the crazies.

You march to the Koch brothers song. How does that feel?

 

Sure, family of 4 in your 40's with 2 kids, non-smoking, $94,000.00 income and you get at tax rebate. This is nothing more than the fine art of buying votes. The ear mark of an oligarchy.

 

I just realized something about this Obamacare scam & it's promise to help people....if you are eligible for insurance thru your employer, you will not qualify for any subsidy. Think about this...you don't have to have to be on the insurance your employer provides & it doesn't have to be "affordable" you just have to be eligible for insurance thru your employer.
So, the poor family that technically has access to insurance through an employer even though the insurance that is unaffordable (because Obamacare raised their premiums) gets nothing?

 

Wow! You could not be more ignorant. You have just found that perfect middle ground between complete stupidity and acting like a total asshole. Nice going!

 

Well, then explain it genius. Apparently, I could qualify for a subsidy while a struggling family won't? My uncle, the retired millionaire, qualifies to have his entire premium subsidized while his daughter, a single mother of 3, who makes $50k managing a restaurant (whose insurance she can't afford because the premiums are so high now) qualifies for zip?

**I'm guessing that red alert light & buzzer are going off all over lib land, judging from fog-of-war's response**

 

David, I think you nailed it. Also, aren't people who refuse this generous offer of "affordable" health care subject to a tax.

 

See, you're either lying or your sister is one more idiot that your parents gave birth to. Here is a fact: Subsidies are available to Americans who make less than 400% of the poverty level, or $94,200 for a family of four.

So why wouldn't your sister qualify for a subsidy?

 

I am 100% certain that none of you have ever read the ACA well enough to criticize it based on your own complaints. You have however listened endlessly to Right-wing talking points which were specifically designed to confound the truth. And anyone should listen to you...why?

 

According to KFF if you have access to inurance through your employer you do not qualify for a subsidy.

 

Why would you need a subsidy if your employer was paying for your health insurance?

 

I thought this whole Obamacare scheme was based around the premise that insurance wasn't affordable for the average family.
I see what you're attempting to do here though. Not everyone who has access to insurance through their employer has their premiums covered by the employer, do they? My cousin has access to insurance through her job but cant afford the cost of it. She isn't entitled to a subsidy while here father, who is more than comfortable, financially, could qualfy for a 100% subsidy. Is this how the legislation was designed?

 

It is clear that you have little actual knowledge of how the Affordable Care Act really works. You haven't let that stop you from railing against it for purely ideological reasons anyway. I don't believe that you have enough knowledge to argue the merits of the law with any degree of competency and I refuse to go head-to-head with your ideological conclusions. Narratives do not an argument make. You certainly are entitled to your own low information opinions, you just don't get to have a separate set of facts based on God knows what. Sorry, go read a few information websites on the ACA. There are all kinds of them that can answer any questions you have. Then come back and ask questions that actually demonstrate some degree of knowledge on the topic.

 

Well, show me where I'm wrong then....don't act like a pissy little b*tch. I went to the site YOU directed folks to. Are you now saying KFF isn't the place to get answers (because earlier you claimed it was the place)? For what it's worth, I used a family of 4 and selected the drop down that said insurance was available through the employer. I kept dropping the income amount until I stopped getting the reply that the example didn't qualify for a subsidy but their was no point where a subsidy kicked in...it went from no subsidy to Medicaid, no middle ground.
I also called my (democrap) senator's local office & asked what I should do to learn about & register for Obamacare since the federal site wasn't working- they too referred me to the Kaiser site for information.

 

You really want ME to hold your hand and walk you through the ins and outs of the Affordable Care Act? Really? I kind of doubt that in all seriousness given your opinion of me and my "ilk". The answers are out there, you just have to be open minded enough to go out there and educate yourself. I won't hold my breath.
For my part, I have health insurance through my employer which is the State of Illinois. I, like the vast majority of Americans, have nothing to do except sit back and enjoy the benefits of no pre-existing conditions, health insurance coverage for my college age children, no benefit caps, and many other adjustments that make health care insurance far more beneficial to ordinary Americans and less likely to simply pad the bottom line of private insurance companies. Why would I have to know all the various circumstance encompassed in the new law when so few of them have any affect whatsoever on me? I have health insurance.
You are too ideologically drunk to ever figure out the benefits you to will enjoy especially when it comes to pre-existing conditions. P.S. Diabetes is a pre-existing condition.