Pope Calls Out ‘Ideological Christians’ as a ‘Serious Illness’ - Listening GOP?

Where do you draw the line, or base your perception of innocence? Should we have not bombed Japan, killing tens of thousands of innocent civilians, men, women and children, to end a war that could have raged on for decades otherwise, killing millions? You can't say that was right, but killing another innocent isn't while not being hypocritical.

 

Could you say that going out and shooting an innocent stranger in the head is the same as killing someone during war? If you can't, aren't YOU being hypocritical?

 

Isn't that what war is, OKC? I'm not saying anything is right, I was just asking what his idea of killing an innocent was.

 

Right. That's exactly what war is. And liberals have declared war on the unborn.

 

Right...I forgot conservatives were against womens rights. Theyd rather the unborn be born so they can declare war on them in their youth for profit. My bad.

 

They always talk about individual responsibility and keeping government out of our lives until that mantra runs into nothing more than a religious belief about reproduction then they want to start speaking for this imaginary life over the life of an individual that is already here and then make sure that government is there to enforce their religious belief system. Too sad, really too sad.
The highest court in the land has already decided that their religious belief is not enforceable on the rest of us. So, legally, they have no case. The medical profession is OK with abortion. So it isn't a medical position. So it basically comes down to their religious beliefs. I don't belong to your religion so stop trying to make me abide by your silly asinine beliefs. Period!

 

So, we just kill 'em all, huh? Kill 'em unfettered? Wanted a boy? Abort the girl & keep trying. Don't like the brown eyed babies? Kill 'em til you get one with blue eyes? The baby not formed properly? Just kill it & start over?

 

Murder is more about right vs wrong than anything else...

 

Murder is a legal definition. If you think abortion is murder, don't have one. Keep your religious beliefs off of women's bodies. The Democrats do more to prevent abortion than the repukes ever do by making birth control free and available and repukes even fight that. Abortion will happen and has happened whether it was legal or not. You can't force people to carry a pregnancy if they do not want to. What are you going to do, throw women in prison for not wanting to reproduce? Good luck.

 

You might want to think about that a minute - re; the Catholic Church and Hobby Lobby.

 

I guess my concern is more about the baby than the voter...

 

My own moral view on abortion is that it is wrong but I do not have the right to foist MY views as a man on a woman who's body it is.

 

Bless your misguided concerns.

 

I suppose you might have a point IF it is only the woman we're talking about. However, there is a separate human life involved, one in which the woman is nurturing and hosting. If she wants to cut her own toe off or whatever, who cares? But the human gestating inside her is a separate, distinct human being.

 

So you believe that the woman has no say in the it then?

 

Taking the life of the unborn human being inside her is homicide. The word "homicide" is different than the word "murder" in that homicide can sometimes be justified or excusable whereas murder usually refers to unlawful killing.

Since it's unlawful, after a certain point, to take the life of an unborn human being, the correct term is "homicide" (homo=man, cide=kill). Now, we have to decide when the merging of sperm and egg becomes a human being. Is it at the moment of conception? Is it at the moment of birth? Fortunately for us, the Supreme Court has ruled that abortion (homicide) is unlawful after "viability" which can occur as early as 24 weeks. Of course, only a doctor can determine when viability occurs (it could be earlier or it could be later), but after that the decision is no longer in the hands of the woman.

There are some people who believe that a human being exists at the moment of conception while others believe that it's not a human being until the moment of birth. I don't agree with either position (but, I'd be interested to hear the opinion of others on this forum as to when they think a human being exists).

So, to answer your question, yes the woman certainly has a say in the matter, but only up to "viability". After all, there comes a point when it's not just her body, but the bodies of two separate human beings.

 

What abortion does is let the dear little souls, imperfectly formed though they may be, bypass the pain and struggle of existence in this vale of tears and go straight to Heaven where they frolic and gambol at the feet of Jesus and bask in the divine, non-cancerous glow of the Almighty. I mean it seems to me that we're doing the little bastards a favor.

 

I believe they're only bastards if the parents are unmarried. I mean, technically speaking...

 

I wasn't speaking technically. But you knew that.

 

Oh, so you were just talking out of your ass then?