Physicists don't deliver

On Jul 2, 2:19?am, kronec...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

> There is the Transistor for starters. You wouldn't be sitting in front
> of a PC now would you?

Oh sure. What are you going to calculate on those Bell Labs solid
state amplifiers?
1+1 = 2?

Anyway transistors were reverse engineered from UFO debris.

 

Benj wrote:
> On Jul 1, 10:45 pm, dave hillstrom <D...@MeOw.OrG> wrote:
>
>>> Next time you need nuclear imaging, keep physicists in mind.
>> and thats it, folks. the full list of physicists accomplishments
>> during the last 30 years.
>
> No that's not even it! Yes nuclear magnetic resonance is physics, but
> the NMR machines so important in chemistry weren't developed by
> physicists and ESPECIALLY the imaging devices used in medicine
> weren't.
>
> These physicist claims for "developing" a host of things remind me of
> the old Twilight Zone show where the guy goes back in time and figures
> he'll be rich because he knows all manner modern inventions. So he
> goes to a mechanic and tells him he's invented the "self-starter" for
> an automobile. So he tells the mechanic, "It's simple! You turn the
> key and the car starts!" This is about what you get from "idea men".
> This is where physicists have all turned into bullshit artists even
> here as they try to claim credit for things in which they played next
> to no part and can't even understand the technology needed at the
> level needed to even BUILD one let alone INVENT one! Look at this
> list: "I was thinking more in terms of CDs, computers, modern cars,
> electronics,
> weather forecasting, global satellite navigation systems, cell
> phones... you know, the stuff you use, Jade."
>
> I'd love to see a physicist try to even UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY the
> technology used in these devices. BWAHAHAhahaha!
>
> Like so many older professions, physicists tend to be riding on a past
> reputation. Time was...say back in WWII when the bullshit they are
> spinning now was a true story. Engineers and applied scientists in
> those days used to be quite narrowly focused on handbooks and rules
> and component specifications. When the kind of general understanding
> of physical principles was needed engineers didn't have the broad
> education to handle it. So physicists were called in to not only
> build the atomic bomb, but also for a host of other things like say
> the magnetron. Electromagnetics at that level was way beyond the
> engineers of the day.
>
> But people aren't dumb. Physics education pretty much stayed the same
> (only adding more modern topics which often tended to make no sense
> and were simply dogma) while engineers and other applied professions
> had educational curricula totally revised to create a group of persons
> highly educated in a BROAD spectrum of math and science and still
> grounded in practical application. So now except for exotica, (like
> say cryogenics) you observe as you do here physicists trying to claim
> credit for computers, and CDs, and electronics, and cellphones, simply
> because one of their kind once developed a solid state amplifier
> that just barely worked! If you want the radar cross-section of a
> ogive, ask a physicist. Sure, that will work...not! Sheesh!
>
> As someone else here said, yeah we LOVE the H bomb, and you did some
> great shit in WWII, but what have you done for us lately?
>


You sound like you have physics envy... that solid background of
classical mechanics, quantum physics, thermodynamics, surface physics,
maybe even relativity... That basic stuff taught in those textbooks.

Never to late to go back to school!

Prepare yourself for the new fields of nano technology, genetic engineering,
quantum computing, etc.

 

Benj wrote:

>
> Anyway transistors were reverse engineered from UFO debris.
>
>

Cite evidence please!

 

On Jul 2, 2:40?am, kronec...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

> However, credit where credit is due, it was the Physicists that
> developed the laser diode without which engineers could not design CD
> and DVD players.

Actually you don't have a clue how many people in how many professions
had major roles in developing the laser diode. As usual, a physicist
(Hall) first demonstrated the feasibility, but after that it was
industrial open season. To say Hall invented the DVD player is
laughable!

> We work best together but I think in Physics it's got to a stage that
> it needs a genius brain to make progress after Einstein. In
> engineering we can evolve and improve gradually. In fact since the
> invention of the microprocessor Elect Engineers have only made thing
> smaller and faster.
> That is a great achievement of course but what is new?

Nothing new? In case you didn't notice, virtually ALL of modern
electronic technology including the PC that all the physicists here
are trying to take credit for, in truth doesn't go back to just the
transistor for its existence. Without the invention of the Fairchild
planar process that gave us the Integrated Circuit, we'd all still be
back in the transistor radio stage and your computer would fill your
room! Needless to say a LOT of people were (are) involved in
developing these things and making them work. One can claim an
invention because you first demonstrated feasibility, but truth is
that a workable invention has a lot of contributions along the way and
the removal of the more salient ones would also render the invention
worthless.

As for All physics stopping with Einstein, I guess that's right! The
only question that remains is just WHO here on usenet is "smarter than
Einstein"? I know a couple of candidates have applied for the
office!

 

On Jul 2, 2:36?pm, dave hillstrom <D...@MeOw.OrG> wrote:

> >> those packages are often called "hocky pucks" by the engineers that
> >> use them every day in high power designs. ?and they are simply
> >> upscaled sizewise from the little solid state switches weve been
> >> producing for decades. ?a little change of doping here, a little metal
> >> deposition there, and voila! ?an expensive solid state switch with
> >> damned near zero ohms for high power designs like electric cars.
>
> >> oh, and, by the way, they hire engineers to run the semiconductor
> >> lines nowadays. ?and they hire engineers to design the next rev of
> >> semiconductor line. ?
>
> > ? Yeah but those engineer don't have the foggiest idea what makes
> > ? those semiconductors work. ?So sad.
>
> ahem. ?as an electrical engineering student at RPI in the mid 80's, i
> was forced to take SEVERAL materials and semiconductor theory classes.
> so your point is incorrect.
>
> thanks for playing. ?please try again.

Don't you love this physicist bullshit artist hubris? Oh sure,
ANYBODY can just crank out a 1000 amp switch! Bwahahaha!

I would love to see old Uncle Al build just ONE SOLID STATE DIODE from
scratch let alone a hockey puck array! It's easy Al! Just a little
sand here and a little doping there and voila! You have a working
electric car!

I challenge you Al, give us the procedure for building just ONE solid
state diode? I'm willing to bet you have ZERO idea even of the theory
let alone the practical information as to how to actually construct
one!

Bullshit artist.

 

On Jul 3, 12:15?am, spooge <spo...@petitmorteREMOVETHIS.net> wrote:

> > ok, now we are getting somewhere! ?there is at least ~one~ thing
> > physicists have done for us within the last 30 years!
>
> How sad is it that the sum total of contribution made by the thousands and
> thousands and thousands of physicists that have toiled - mostly on
> government (that's you and I) funding - lo these past 5 decades can be
> contained in a list of one (1) item?

Actually the list is quite long, but if we told you what is on it,
we'd have to kill you!

 

On Jul 3, 2:13?am, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:

> > so, again, what have you physicists done for us lately, hmmm?
>
> ? ?o shown how the Sun works (via neutrinos)

Theory probably wrong.

> ? ?o determined the age of the observable universe to a few percent
> ? ? ?from the CMB

Theory DEFINITELY wrong!

> ? ?o demonstrated quantum computing (that will keep engineers busy)

Oh sure. I've got one on my desk right now! Great invention!

> ? ?o entanglement (that too will keep engineers busy)
> ? ?o etc.

Now we are getting somewhere! Oh yes! Quantum Mechanics! Now there is
where theory really meets common sense! It's where things exist and
don't exist at the same time! Where waves travel in nothing and
everything happens by pure dice throwing! Yep this is REAL progress!
Um can you say "bullshit artist"? I KNEW that you could!

> ? ?Actually the list is pretty dang long. Would you like scientific
> ? ?references?

We know it is, but if you told us what is on that list ALL of us would
have to be killed! So for now, let us just stick with the A-bomb and
H-bomb as the major triumphs of modern physics!

 

On Jul 3, 2:54?am, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
> Benj wrote:
>
> > Anyway transistors were reverse engineered from UFO debris.
>
> ? ?Cite evidence please!

I'd give it to you but then I'd have to kill you!

For now we'll just refer to Col. Corso's book.

 

Benj wrote:
> On Jul 3, 2:13 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
>
>>> so, again, what have you physicists done for us lately, hmmm?
>> o shown how the Sun works (via neutrinos)
>
> Theory probably wrong.
>
>> o determined the age of the observable universe to a few percent
>> from the CMB
>
> Theory DEFINITELY wrong!
>
>> o demonstrated quantum computing (that will keep engineers busy)
>
> Oh sure. I've got one on my desk right now! Great invention!
>
>> o entanglement (that too will keep engineers busy)
>> o etc.
>
> Now we are getting somewhere! Oh yes! Quantum Mechanics! Now there is
> where theory really meets common sense! It's where things exist and
> don't exist at the same time! Where waves travel in nothing and
> everything happens by pure dice throwing! Yep this is REAL progress!
> Um can you say "bullshit artist"? I KNEW that you could!
>
>> Actually the list is pretty dang long. Would you like scientific
>> references?
>
> We know it is, but if you told us what is on that list ALL of us would
> have to be killed! So for now, let us just stick with the A-bomb and
> H-bomb as the major triumphs of modern physics!
>
>
>
>

I was hoping you were smarter that you reply suggests.

 

Benj wrote:
> On Jul 3, 2:54 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
>> Benj wrote:
>>
>>> Anyway transistors were reverse engineered from UFO debris.
>> Cite evidence please!
>
> I'd give it to you but then I'd have to kill you!
>
> For now we'll just refer to Col. Corso's book.


Ah nothing to cite!

 

On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 11:04:15 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal aided th'
terraists with the following claims :

> In article <pan.2008.07.02.15.07.30.896931@netscape.net>,
> §ñühw?£f <snuhwolf@netscape.net> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 11:41:52 +0000, The God of Odd Statements, Henry
>> Schmidt aided th' terraists with the following claims :
>>
>> > On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 20:45:27 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal did most
>> > oddly state:
>> >> dave hillstrom wrote:
>> >>> On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 20:24:27 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>> > dave hillstrom wrote:
>> >>> >> On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 19:59:57 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
>> >>> >> wrote:
>> >>> >> > dave hillstrom wrote:
>> >>> >> >> On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 17:09:53 -0400, "Robert J. Kolker"
>> >>> >> >> wrote:
>> >>> >> >> >Uncle Al wrote:
>> >>> >> >> >> Daedalus wrote:
>> >>> >> >> >>>On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 12:41:01 -0700, Uncle Al wrote:
>> >>> >> >> >>>>Daedalus wrote:
>> >>> >> >> >>>>
>> >>> >> >> >>>>>I used to admire physicists in a big way for their big ideas
>> >>> >> >> >>>>>and fascinating concepts. These days they just seem like
>> >>> >> >> >>>>>nutty professors
>> >>> >> >> >>>>>and bullshit artists to me.
>> >>> >> >> >>>>
>> >>> >> >> >>>>[snip crap]
>> >>> >> >> >>>>
>> >>> >> >> >>>>Turn off your computer. It runs on physics. Idiot.
>> >>> >> >> >>>
>> >>> >> >> >>>Oh no sir. I beg to differ. It runs on electricity. I know very
>> >>> >> >> >>>well that electricity was not invented nor discovered by a
>> >>> >> >> >>>physicist.
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >> 1) James Clarke Maxwell
>> >>> >> >> >> 2) Nicola Tesla
>> >>> >> >> >> 3) James Bardeen
>> >>> >> >> >> 4) Idiot
>> >>> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> >You forgot Michael Faraday who made the world's first electrical
>> >>> >> >> >motor.
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> and what a piss poor motor it was. only when ENGINEERS got a hold
>> >>> >> >> of it did it become a useful, broadly applicaple technology.
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> >physics is applied math
>> >>> >> >engineering is poorly applied math
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> >math rules
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> engineering is math made into something USEFUL to the general, or
>> >>> >> specific, public.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >thats what we let you think
>> >>>
>> >>> YOU are just trying, and vainly i might add, to twist my tail. hah!
>> >>
>> >> i dont troll and i dont respond to trolls
>> >
>> > Liar. Liar liar, pants on fire.
>>
>> I H8 maths...whenever I try and do it it just makes me feel more stupider.
>
> well duh
>
well buh

> if you werent selected
> then thats the whole point
>
I want an anti-verse. Where Bush is a Good Guy

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On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 15:48:04 +0000, Demon Lord Henry Schmidt of Confusion
aided th' terraists with the following claims :

> On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 08:04:23 -0700, hwأf attempted to confuse the
> issue further by squeaking:
>> On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 11:34:21 +0000, The God of Odd Statements, Henry
>> Schmidt aided th' terraists with the following claims :
>>> On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 05:26:02 +0000, Sam Wormley did most oddly state:
>>>> ave Maelstrom's wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> dave hillstrom mhm15x4 zrbj
>>>>> "i believe that the word "fuckhead" has become so wide spread and
>>>>> nearly meaningless as to qualify as a metavariable, similar to "foo"
>>>>> and "bar".
>>>>> and that it should uphold the responsibilities and enjoy the
>>>>> privileges
>>>>> of the new office. here here!!"
>>>>> -dave hillstrom
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hey Dave--Let's talk Global Positioning System, specifically Cesium
>>>> and Rubidium clocks, relativistic corrections and the quantum
>>>> mechanics behind the circuitry. Then there is the determination of
>>>> the figure of the earth, the spread spectrum correlation receivers
>>>> and the correlation pseudo noise codes. Add to that the
>>>> supersensitive electronic receivers used in the ground control
>>>> segment and the semiconductor technology in the receiving CPUs....
>>>> It was the theorists and the physicists with insatiable curiosity
>>>> that came up with the breakthroughs necessary for this global
>>>> utility.
>>>>
>>>> Bet you don't even know what GPS is!
>>>
>>> Why are you replying to Daev's .sig?
>>
>> Because Daev sig is SEXY, duh.
>>
>> BTW, it was the concept of triangulation what made possible the theory
>> that yu could looks at the timestamps of differents signals comming from
>> the sAtTelitEs that they soem tiems use to beem thots into our heds when
>> they are not using them to spy onus with our cellfonez. FYI
>> HTH
>> HAND
>
> So, math again.

GPS STANDS FOR 'GENERAL PERSONAL SCRUTINY'!!!!11111!!!!!!!



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On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 15:49:13 +0000, Demon Lord Henry Schmidt of Confusion
aided th' terraists with the following claims :

> On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 08:01:19 -0700, hwأf attempted to confuse the
> issue further by squeaking:
>> On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 03:32:08 +0000, The God of Odd Statements, Henry
>> Schmidt aided th' terraists with the following claims :
>>> On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:22:57 -0400, mixed nuts did most oddly state:
>>>> Daedalus wrote:
>>>>> I used to admire physicists in a big way for their big ideas and
>>>>> fascinating concepts. These days they just seem like nutty professors
>>>>> and bullshit artists to me. They are the big talkers that never
>>>>> deliver on much. The daydreamers that don't seem to ever give you a
>>>>> straight answer about anything. Sure we can fold space or make a
>>>>> lightsaber in maybe a hundred years.
>>>>>
>>>>> Astronomers are kind of the same way, but astronomers actually
>>>>> discover something new once in a while, or the claim to. Since I don't
>>>>> own a Hubble telescope, I don't know if that giant planet is really in
>>>>> the next solar system.
>>>>>
>>>>> We've got biochemists that are on the verge of creating single cells
>>>>> out of amino acids in a lab and those yokel physicists are busy
>>>>> building giant atom smashers under the ground to look for dark matter.
>>>>> And working on this:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/07/01/invisible.cloak/index.html?iref=mpstoryview
>>>>>
>>>>> Why not do something helpful to mankind, you k00ks?
>>>>
>>>> Torll.
>>>
>>> You're just sticking up for those k00ky physicists.
>>
>> I bet he's working onna TIME MACHINE
>>
>> I want to go back and see Jebus!
>
> You'd just wind up having to become him.

I'm not much of a carpenter...

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On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 20:23:19 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal aided th'
terraists with the following claims :

> In article <CiXak.1613$7%6.688@edtnps82>,
> The Original Demon Prince of Absurdity
> <absurd_number_of_nicks@hell.everyposehasits.corn> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 11:03:01 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal did the
>> cha-cha, and screamed:
>> > Snuhwolf wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 14:06:34 -0400, Daedalus aided th' terraists with
>> >> the following claims :
>> >>
>> >> > I used to admire physicists in a big way for their big ideas and
>> >> > fascinating concepts. These days they just seem like nutty professors
>> >> > and bullshit artists to me. They are the big talkers that never
>> >> > deliver on much. The daydreamers that don't seem to ever give you a
>> >> > straight answer about anything. Sure we can fold space or make a
>> >> > lightsaber in maybe a hundred years.
>> >> >
>> >> > Astronomers are kind of the same way, but astronomers actually
>> >> > discover something new once in a while, or the claim to. Since I don't
>> >> > own a Hubble telescope, I don't know if that giant planet is really in
>> >> > the next solar system.
>> >> >
>> >> > We've got biochemists that are on the verge of creating single cells
>> >> > out of amino acids in a lab and those yokel physicists are busy
>> >> > building giant atom smashers under the ground to look for dark matter.
>> >> > And working on this:
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/07/01/invisible.cloak/index.html?iref=mpstor
>> >> > yvi
>> >> > ew
>> >> >
>> >> > Why not do something helpful to mankind, you k00ks?
>> >> >
>> >> > Jade
>> >>
>> >> Ahhh...but what if they create teh TIME MACHINE? Then we can go back and
>> >> kill hitler, make sure Gore gets inaugurated etc And totally fuck up
>> >> the time stream so that you finnaly get to meet yourself as your own
>> >> father.
>> >> That would totally rawk!
>> >
>> > its not so exciting in practice
>> > there are no absolute in causality only probabilities so what you think of
>> > a time paradox
>> > as the past coalesces becomes just a low probability event noncausally
>> > selected
>>
>> And then you wind up traipsing *across* timestreams, in a "Magical Mystery
>> Tour" sense...Really, you need a TARDIS.
>
> a time capsule is hopelessly overengineered
> moving all that interior all over the universe
>
> all you really need to do is map a door to different locations
>

What a beautiful mind.
Time isnt linear? I'd like to slow it down some times and speed it up at
others. Can you suggest a product that will fulfill my needs?
TIA

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Benj wrote:
> Now we are getting somewhere! Oh yes! Quantum Mechanics! Now there is
> where theory really meets common sense! It's where things exist and
> don't exist at the same time! Where waves travel in nothing and
> everything happens by pure dice throwing! Yep this is REAL progress!
> Um can you say "bullshit artist"? I KNEW that you could!

If a Quantum "mechanic" is stating such crap, they should be demoted to
a quantum physicist immediately since they some how have forgotten the
"mechanics" parts.


--
James M Driscoll Jr
Spaceman

 

On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 08:16:17 -0700, in
alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, ???hw?f <snuhwolf@netscape.net>
bloviated:

>On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 15:48:04 +0000, Demon Lord Henry Schmidt of Confusion
>aided th' terraists with the following claims :
>
>> On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 08:04:23 -0700, ???hw?f attempted to confuse the
>> issue further by squeaking:
>>> On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 11:34:21 +0000, The God of Odd Statements, Henry
>>> Schmidt aided th' terraists with the following claims :
>>>> On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 05:26:02 +0000, Sam Wormley did most oddly state:
>>>>> ave Maelstrom's wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> dave hillstrom mhm15x4 zrbj
>>>>>> "i believe that the word "fuckhead" has become so wide spread and
>>>>>> nearly meaningless as to qualify as a metavariable, similar to "foo"
>>>>>> and "bar".
>>>>>> and that it should uphold the responsibilities and enjoy the
>>>>>> privileges
>>>>>> of the new office. here here!!"
>>>>>> -dave hillstrom
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey Dave--Let's talk Global Positioning System, specifically Cesium
>>>>> and Rubidium clocks, relativistic corrections and the quantum
>>>>> mechanics behind the circuitry. Then there is the determination of
>>>>> the figure of the earth, the spread spectrum correlation receivers
>>>>> and the correlation pseudo noise codes. Add to that the
>>>>> supersensitive electronic receivers used in the ground control
>>>>> segment and the semiconductor technology in the receiving CPUs....
>>>>> It was the theorists and the physicists with insatiable curiosity
>>>>> that came up with the breakthroughs necessary for this global
>>>>> utility.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bet you don't even know what GPS is!
>>>>
>>>> Why are you replying to Daev's .sig?
>>>
>>> Because Daev sig is SEXY, duh.
>>>
>>> BTW, it was the concept of triangulation what made possible the theory
>>> that yu could looks at the timestamps of differents signals comming from
>>> the sAtTelitEs that they soem tiems use to beem thots into our heds when
>>> they are not using them to spy onus with our cellfonez. FYI
>>> HTH
>>> HAND
>>
>> So, math again.
>
>GPS STANDS FOR 'GENERAL PERSONAL SCRUTINY'!!!!11111!!!!!!!
>
>

What are you? A Tom Cruise wanna be?

 

On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 08:17:26 -0700, in
alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, ???hw?f <snuhwolf@netscape.net>
bloviated:

>On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 15:49:13 +0000, Demon Lord Henry Schmidt of Confusion
>aided th' terraists with the following claims :
>
>> On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 08:01:19 -0700, ???hw?f attempted to confuse the
>> issue further by squeaking:
>>> On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 03:32:08 +0000, The God of Odd Statements, Henry
>>> Schmidt aided th' terraists with the following claims :
>>>> On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:22:57 -0400, mixed nuts did most oddly state:
>>>>> Daedalus wrote:
>>>>>> I used to admire physicists in a big way for their big ideas and
>>>>>> fascinating concepts. These days they just seem like nutty professors
>>>>>> and bullshit artists to me. They are the big talkers that never
>>>>>> deliver on much. The daydreamers that don't seem to ever give you a
>>>>>> straight answer about anything. Sure we can fold space or make a
>>>>>> lightsaber in maybe a hundred years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Astronomers are kind of the same way, but astronomers actually
>>>>>> discover something new once in a while, or the claim to. Since I don't
>>>>>> own a Hubble telescope, I don't know if that giant planet is really in
>>>>>> the next solar system.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We've got biochemists that are on the verge of creating single cells
>>>>>> out of amino acids in a lab and those yokel physicists are busy
>>>>>> building giant atom smashers under the ground to look for dark matter.
>>>>>> And working on this:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/07/01/invisible.cloak/index.html?iref=mpstoryview
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why not do something helpful to mankind, you k00ks?
>>>>>
>>>>> Torll.
>>>>
>>>> You're just sticking up for those k00ky physicists.
>>>
>>> I bet he's working onna TIME MACHINE
>>>
>>> I want to go back and see Jebus!
>>
>> You'd just wind up having to become him.
>
>I'm not much of a carpenter...

Wasn't he more a cabinet maker kinda guy?

 

On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 08:21:00 -0700, in
alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, ???hw?f <snuhwolf@netscape.net>
bloviated:

>On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 20:23:19 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal aided th'
>terraists with the following claims :
>
>> In article <CiXak.1613$7%6.688@edtnps82>,
>> The Original Demon Prince of Absurdity
>> <absurd_number_of_nicks@hell.everyposehasits.corn> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 11:03:01 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal did the
>>> cha-cha, and screamed:
>>> > Snuhwolf wrote:
>>> >> On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 14:06:34 -0400, Daedalus aided th' terraists with
>>> >> the following claims :
>>> >>
>>> >> > I used to admire physicists in a big way for their big ideas and
>>> >> > fascinating concepts. These days they just seem like nutty professors
>>> >> > and bullshit artists to me. They are the big talkers that never
>>> >> > deliver on much. The daydreamers that don't seem to ever give you a
>>> >> > straight answer about anything. Sure we can fold space or make a
>>> >> > lightsaber in maybe a hundred years.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Astronomers are kind of the same way, but astronomers actually
>>> >> > discover something new once in a while, or the claim to. Since I don't
>>> >> > own a Hubble telescope, I don't know if that giant planet is really in
>>> >> > the next solar system.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > We've got biochemists that are on the verge of creating single cells
>>> >> > out of amino acids in a lab and those yokel physicists are busy
>>> >> > building giant atom smashers under the ground to look for dark matter.
>>> >> > And working on this:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/07/01/invisible.cloak/index.html?iref=mpstor
>>> >> > yvi
>>> >> > ew
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Why not do something helpful to mankind, you k00ks?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Jade
>>> >>
>>> >> Ahhh...but what if they create teh TIME MACHINE? Then we can go back and
>>> >> kill hitler, make sure Gore gets inaugurated etc And totally fuck up
>>> >> the time stream so that you finnaly get to meet yourself as your own
>>> >> father.
>>> >> That would totally rawk!
>>> >
>>> > its not so exciting in practice
>>> > there are no absolute in causality only probabilities so what you think of
>>> > a time paradox
>>> > as the past coalesces becomes just a low probability event noncausally
>>> > selected
>>>
>>> And then you wind up traipsing *across* timestreams, in a "Magical Mystery
>>> Tour" sense...Really, you need a TARDIS.
>>
>> a time capsule is hopelessly overengineered
>> moving all that interior all over the universe
>>
>> all you really need to do is map a door to different locations
>>
>
>What a beautiful mind.
>Time isnt linear? I'd like to slow it down some times and speed it up at
>others. Can you suggest a product that will fulfill my needs?
>TIA

I just want a teleport button.

 

dave hillstrom wrote:
> On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 00:55:01 GMT, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>
>> Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote:
>>> dave hillstrom wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> ahem. as an electrical engineering student at RPI in the mid
>>>> 80's, i was forced to take SEVERAL materials and semiconductor
>>>> theory classes. so your point is incorrect.
>>
>>> But did you learn the physics (quantum mechanics) of
>>> semiconductors?
>>
>> Can't speak for him, but to get my BSEE I did.
>>
>> There were so many physics courses it would have only taken a few
>> more to get a dual degree.
>
> ditto
>
> but engineers eat better, generally.
>
> i wonder why that is, hmmmm?

Because they would use straigt lines to direct the food to the mouth
instead of "curved lines" that are considered straight and instead
shove the food up thier nose.


--
James M Driscoll Jr
Spaceman

 

On Jul 2, 9:05?pm, j...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
> > j...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> > > Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
> > >> dave hillstrom wrote:
>
> > >>> ahem. ?as an electrical engineering student at RPI in the mid 80's, i
> > >>> was forced to take SEVERAL materials and semiconductor theory classes.
> > >>> so your point is incorrect.
>
> > >> ? ?But did you learn the physics (quantum mechanics) of semiconductors?
>
> > > Can't speak for him, but to get my BSEE I did.
>
> > > There were so many physics courses it would have only taken a few more
> > > to get a dual degree.
>
> > ? ?Very good.
>
> Yeah, well I was a phyics major until I read some salary surveys and
> decided I liked food with my meals and didn't want to be a starving
> student for 2 to 3 more years getting a Phd.
>
> Since I never got into semi development I've had little occasion to
> use much beyond Newton, but sometimes life pulls a surprise and you
> wind up using something you thought was totally useless when going to
> school.
>
> Anyway, about this thread...
>
> Pysicists (and most 'ists) usually invent concepts for "things" and
> seldom actual "things", which is left to the engineers who put
> the concepts together into a product.
>
> That the Sony DVD factory is full of engineers and probably no physicists
> should not be a surprise to anyone with the least bit of common sense.
>

I would put it a different way.

Physicists usually arrive at a general principle or a theory that
covers a broad range of phenomena. It is in fact very unusual for a
physicist to have a theory that provides only one or two applications.
The OP appears to be looking for a direct chain from a physicist's
discovered principle to a clearly recognized application that stems
directly from it.

But the principles and the theories in fact can be applied broadly and
over and over and over again. And this is what applied physicists,
engineers, and inventors do -- repurpose the same principle or theory
to generate multiple applications.

So suppose you have three physicists that collaboratively discover
some fundamental principle. And then suppose that 1357 engineers and
inventors produce 2395 practical applications from that one
fundamental principle. Then who has made the stronger impact? The
multitude of engineers and inventors that produced almost 2400 useful
products, or the handful of physicists that found the principle that
all the rest used?

PD