Physicists don't deliver

Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote:
> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> > Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote:
> >> dave hillstrom wrote:
> >
> >>> ahem. as an electrical engineering student at RPI in the mid 80's, i
> >>> was forced to take SEVERAL materials and semiconductor theory classes.
> >>> so your point is incorrect.
> >
> >> But did you learn the physics (quantum mechanics) of semiconductors?
> >
> > Can't speak for him, but to get my BSEE I did.
> >
> > There were so many physics courses it would have only taken a few more
> > to get a dual degree.
> >
> >

> Very good.

Yeah, well I was a phyics major until I read some salary surveys and
decided I liked food with my meals and didn't want to be a starving
student for 2 to 3 more years getting a Phd.

Since I never got into semi development I've had little occasion to
use much beyond Newton, but sometimes life pulls a surprise and you
wind up using something you thought was totally useless when going to
school.

Anyway, about this thread...

Pysicists (and most 'ists) usually invent concepts for "things" and
seldom actual "things", which is left to the engineers who put
the concepts together into a product.

That the Sony DVD factory is full of engineers and probably no physicists
should not be a surprise to anyone with the least bit of common sense.

--
Jim Pennino

Remove .spam.sux to reply.

 

On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 15:38:54 -0400, dave hillstrom did the cha-cha, and
screamed:
> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 10:32:02 -0700 (PDT), Eric Gisse wrote:
>>On Jul 1, 6:45?pm, dave hillstrom wrote:
>>> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 14:32:27 -0700 (PDT), Eric Gisse wrote:
>>> >On Jul 1, 10:06?am, Daedalus wrote:
>>> >> I used to admire physicists in a big way for their big ideas and
>>> >> fascinating concepts. These days they just seem like nutty
>>> >> professors and bullshit artists to me. They are the big talkers that
>>> >> never deliver on much. The daydreamers that don't seem to ever give
>>> >> you a straight answer about anything. Sure we can fold space or make
>>> >> a lightsaber in maybe a hundred years.
>>>
>>> >> Astronomers are kind of the same way, but astronomers actually
>>> >> discover something new once in a while, or the claim to. Since I
>>> >> don't own a Hubble telescope, I don't know if that giant planet is
>>> >> really in the next solar system.
>>>
>>> >> We've got biochemists that are on the verge of creating single cells
>>> >> out of amino acids in a lab and those yokel physicists are busy
>>> >> building giant atom smashers under the ground to look for dark
>>> >> matter. And working on this:
>>>
>>> >>http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/07/01/invisible.cloak/index.html?iref=mp...
>>>
>>> >> Why not do something helpful to mankind, you k00ks?
>>>
>>> >> Jade
>>>
>>> >Next time you need nuclear imaging, keep physicists in mind.
>>>
>>> and thats it, folks. ?the full list of physicists accomplishments
>>> during the last 30 years.
>>
>>What, that isn't good enough?
>
> not compared to the vast quantities of innovations made by engineers and
> inventors during the same time span. so, no, its not good enough.
>
> not to mention that its engineers and software geeks that have made the
> big steps in nuclear imaging since the first little tidbit from the
> physicists.

Damnitall, WHERE'S THAT FTL/HYPERSPACE DRIVE?!? Or the wormhole-opener.

--
________________________________________________________________________
Hail Eris! TM#5; COOSN-029-06-71069; Usenet Ruiner #5; Gutter Chix0r #17
Cardinal Snarky of the Fannish Inquisition; Official Chung Demon
Most Hated Usenetizen of All Time #13; Top Asshole #3; Lits Slut #16
BowTie's Spuriously Accused Pedo Photographer #4
AUK Psycho & Felon #21; Parrot & Zombie #2; AUK Hate Machine Cog #19
Anonymous Psycho Criminal #18
"Computers, like cats, can operate crossdimensionally; the trick is in
getting them to do what you want."

Barbara Woodhouse Memorial Dog Whistle
Trainer of PorchMonkey4Life
http://www.screedbomb.info/porchie/

"I'll be long gone before some smart person ever figures out what
happened inside this Oval Office." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.,
May 12, 2008

"6. Who is a net.giggler?" -- Bloxy's "Monkay", that's who. Message-ID:
<DC6BBA72.3B5F4435@demon.co.uk>

"'I find this genetic sequence all the way down the evolutionary
ladder,' he says. 'The major significance of this protein is that it may
be a communication line between the nucleus and the mitochondria.'" --
Andrew B. Chung, from
http://gtalumni.org/Publications/magazine/win91/chung.html

"Pot...kettle...so black it picks cotton." -- But Alex "Dink" Cain isn't
racist at all, oh no. Not him. Why, some of his best friends are porch
monkeys. I'll bet. Message-ID: <397FCBBB.1B35@hotmail.com>

"You think I don't know this? What gives you the right to speak as if
you have authority over me? You have none. I like his use of the words
'wanton woman'. They are biblical. Maybe there is some hope for k man
after all. You? There is no hope for you at all you freak of nature. Go
back to the hole you came out of." -- Atlanta Olympiada Kane "knows"
Kadaitcha Man was referring to me, but addressed him as though he was
referring to himself, then foamed all over me, in Message-ID:
<45e1f82a$0$16335$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>

"No effort at all c*cksucking you, b1tch." -- At last, the Monkey-man
comes out of the closet, in MID: <aXkth.3535$QE6.1902@trnddc02>

http://www6.kingdomofloathing.com/login.php

"This is a sandwich made by a Spam Witch. You know why Spam Witches
can't starve if they're at the beach? Because they can always eat the
sand which is there." -- Spam Witch sammich, from The Kingdom of
Loathing

http://www.runescape.com/
No one expects the Fannish Inquisition!
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cabal_of_the_Holy_Pretzel/join
Cabal of the Holy International Discordian Internet & Usenet Terrorist
Pretzel

"i have no need for sex; i'd rather tease you, honeybuns." -- Teh Mop
Jockey doesn't know the meaning of "TMI". MID:
<1253073.6W9sK7zyKL@unixd0rk.com>

"What are marijuana tablets?"

"When logic and proportion
Have fallen softly dead
And the White Knight is talking backwards
And the Red Queen's 'off with her head!'
Remember what the dormouse said:
'Feed your head
Feed your head
Feed your head'"
-- "White Rabbit", Jefferson Airplane

I own "James C Cracked is God!!!":
MID: <1161060410.704020.285410@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

"Chips on you dud, you got bugged for being near me, Viruses transmit
that way you know." -- Blooey: Master of the Autoflame. Message-ID:
<4556A926.6F259DC9@pharae.org>

"The nonsense screeds you compose and post to usenet lack any kind of
coherent and rational meaning whatsoever, and are composed of random
bits and pieces stolen from mythology, science fiction, religion, comic
books, etc., placed into a blender, and the switch turned to the highest
setting.
About every other screed has droppings of death threats, racial
bigotry, laughably false prophesies of gloom and doom, and inane
attempts to extort money. These bland, meaningless, pulpy messes are
then trowled into usenet; identical or nearly identical screeds are
repeated ad nauseum." -- Art Deco had to clean up bits of Warhol for
days after using the Hammer on him

"Q: How many Bush administration officials does it take to change a
light bulb?
A: None. There is no need to change anything. We made the right decision
to stick with that light bulb. People who say that it is burned out are
giving aid and encouragement to the Forces of Darkness." -- Anon.

"Outlaw amateur assassins!" -- Chiun

"Property is theft."
-- P. J. Proudhon
"Property is liberty."
-- P. J. Proudhon
"Property is impossible."
-- P. J. Proudhon

"Etymology:
Argumentum ad Septicus : argument to putrefaction. Derived from Septicum
Argumentum : putrefaction of argument.

"Septic \Sep"tic\, Septical \Sep"tic*al\
a. [L. septicus to make putrid: cf. F. septique.]
Having power to promote putrefaction. Of or relating to or
caused by putrefaction." -- Kadaitcha Man, indirectly to
Donald "Skeptic"/"Septic" Alford, in MID: <a3svh.djj.19.1@news.alt.net>

"I never fail to be amazing" -- Looney Maroon for September 2006 nominee
William Barwell's ego knows no bounds. MID:
12ggt3q3uti3t52@corp.supernews.com

"Red meat won't hurt you. Fuzzy, blue-green meat will."
-- Zog the etc., in alt.discordia (correct
as needed)

"may you live to whatever age you'd like to." -- Dave Hillstrom,
in alt.discordia

"We are most nearly ourselves when we achieve the seriousness of the
child at play." -- Heraclitus

"And thats another mistake on your part. Your 'playing' games on usenet,
and I'm not playing...It has nothing to do with impressing you, it has
more to do with making sure you have the education you'll need to debate.
The debate is no fun for me if you are mentally incapable of it. I'm
giving you an opportunity to educate yourself. That's all." -- A trashy
former virus-writer turned Outer Filth doesn't know if he's playing or
working, in MID: <1159389579.179851.33970@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>

"I am incapable of original thoughts" -- Ctrl?/Alt?/Del? has an honest
moment, in MID: <0h59i25ejlthqeeitdp0hlk4kvo1ejpkt9@4ax.com>

"But now the end is near. Now Mark Foley comes along and is making
almost all liberal dreams come true and seriously, I'm sorry for it.
See, I believe in karma. I believe what comes around goes around and I
know full well that it's just bad juju to wish such a level of turmoil
and ill upon other humans, warmongering gay-hating maladroits or no, and
that the real path of enlightenment is paved with forgiveness and
progress and white-hot love and turning the other cheek and scotch.

"In fact, Jesus said something about that, I do believe. He said, "Knock
it off already with the warmongering and the hating of each other and
let's all get some wine and party like it's 2012." Then again, he never
saw Karl Rove stab the nation with the dull ice pick of bogus fear. He
never heard George W. Bush describe brutal war and the death of tens of
thousands as "just a comma" in world history.

"Check that. Maybe I'm not so sorry after all." -- Mark Morford,
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/gate/archive/2006/10/11/
notes101106.DTL&nl=fix
http://tinyurl.com/kusmr

 

On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 11:03:01 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal did the
cha-cha, and screamed:
> Snuhwolf wrote:
>> On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 14:06:34 -0400, Daedalus aided th' terraists with
>> the following claims :
>>
>> > I used to admire physicists in a big way for their big ideas and
>> > fascinating concepts. These days they just seem like nutty professors
>> > and bullshit artists to me. They are the big talkers that never
>> > deliver on much. The daydreamers that don't seem to ever give you a
>> > straight answer about anything. Sure we can fold space or make a
>> > lightsaber in maybe a hundred years.
>> >
>> > Astronomers are kind of the same way, but astronomers actually
>> > discover something new once in a while, or the claim to. Since I don't
>> > own a Hubble telescope, I don't know if that giant planet is really in
>> > the next solar system.
>> >
>> > We've got biochemists that are on the verge of creating single cells
>> > out of amino acids in a lab and those yokel physicists are busy
>> > building giant atom smashers under the ground to look for dark matter.
>> > And working on this:
>> >
>> > http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/07/01/invisible.cloak/index.html?iref=mpstoryvi
>> > ew
>> >
>> > Why not do something helpful to mankind, you k00ks?
>> >
>> > Jade
>>
>> Ahhh...but what if they create teh TIME MACHINE? Then we can go back and
>> kill hitler, make sure Gore gets inaugurated etc And totally fuck up
>> the time stream so that you finnaly get to meet yourself as your own
>> father.
>> That would totally rawk!
>
> its not so exciting in practice
> there are no absolute in causality only probabilities so what you think of
> a time paradox
> as the past coalesces becomes just a low probability event noncausally
> selected

And then you wind up traipsing *across* timestreams, in a "Magical Mystery
Tour" sense...Really, you need a TARDIS.

--
________________________________________________________________________
Hail Eris! TM#5; COOSN-029-06-71069; Usenet Ruiner #5; Gutter Chix0r #17
Cardinal Snarky of the Fannish Inquisition; Official Chung Demon
Most Hated Usenetizen of All Time #13; Top Asshole #3; Lits Slut #16
BowTie's Spuriously Accused Pedo Photographer #4
AUK Psycho & Felon #21; Parrot & Zombie #2; AUK Hate Machine Cog #19
Anonymous Psycho Criminal #18
"Computers, like cats, can operate crossdimensionally; the trick is in
getting them to do what you want."

Barbara Woodhouse Memorial Dog Whistle
Trainer of PorchMonkey4Life
http://www.screedbomb.info/porchie/

"I'll be long gone before some smart person ever figures out what
happened inside this Oval Office." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.,
May 12, 2008

"6. Who is a net.giggler?" -- Bloxy's "Monkay", that's who. Message-ID:
<DC6BBA72.3B5F4435@demon.co.uk>

"'I find this genetic sequence all the way down the evolutionary
ladder,' he says. 'The major significance of this protein is that it may
be a communication line between the nucleus and the mitochondria.'" --
Andrew B. Chung, from
http://gtalumni.org/Publications/magazine/win91/chung.html

"Pot...kettle...so black it picks cotton." -- But Alex "Dink" Cain isn't
racist at all, oh no. Not him. Why, some of his best friends are porch
monkeys. I'll bet. Message-ID: <397FCBBB.1B35@hotmail.com>

"You think I don't know this? What gives you the right to speak as if
you have authority over me? You have none. I like his use of the words
'wanton woman'. They are biblical. Maybe there is some hope for k man
after all. You? There is no hope for you at all you freak of nature. Go
back to the hole you came out of." -- Atlanta Olympiada Kane "knows"
Kadaitcha Man was referring to me, but addressed him as though he was
referring to himself, then foamed all over me, in Message-ID:
<45e1f82a$0$16335$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>

"No effort at all c*cksucking you, b1tch." -- At last, the Monkey-man
comes out of the closet, in MID: <aXkth.3535$QE6.1902@trnddc02>

http://www6.kingdomofloathing.com/login.php

"This is a sandwich made by a Spam Witch. You know why Spam Witches
can't starve if they're at the beach? Because they can always eat the
sand which is there." -- Spam Witch sammich, from The Kingdom of
Loathing

http://www.runescape.com/
No one expects the Fannish Inquisition!
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cabal_of_the_Holy_Pretzel/join
Cabal of the Holy International Discordian Internet & Usenet Terrorist
Pretzel

"i have no need for sex; i'd rather tease you, honeybuns." -- Teh Mop
Jockey doesn't know the meaning of "TMI". MID:
<1253073.6W9sK7zyKL@unixd0rk.com>

"What are marijuana tablets?"

"When logic and proportion
Have fallen softly dead
And the White Knight is talking backwards
And the Red Queen's 'off with her head!'
Remember what the dormouse said:
'Feed your head
Feed your head
Feed your head'"
-- "White Rabbit", Jefferson Airplane

I own "James C Cracked is God!!!":
MID: <1161060410.704020.285410@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

"Chips on you dud, you got bugged for being near me, Viruses transmit
that way you know." -- Blooey: Master of the Autoflame. Message-ID:
<4556A926.6F259DC9@pharae.org>

"The nonsense screeds you compose and post to usenet lack any kind of
coherent and rational meaning whatsoever, and are composed of random
bits and pieces stolen from mythology, science fiction, religion, comic
books, etc., placed into a blender, and the switch turned to the highest
setting.
About every other screed has droppings of death threats, racial
bigotry, laughably false prophesies of gloom and doom, and inane
attempts to extort money. These bland, meaningless, pulpy messes are
then trowled into usenet; identical or nearly identical screeds are
repeated ad nauseum." -- Art Deco had to clean up bits of Warhol for
days after using the Hammer on him

"Q: How many Bush administration officials does it take to change a
light bulb?
A: None. There is no need to change anything. We made the right decision
to stick with that light bulb. People who say that it is burned out are
giving aid and encouragement to the Forces of Darkness." -- Anon.

"Outlaw amateur assassins!" -- Chiun

"Property is theft."
-- P. J. Proudhon
"Property is liberty."
-- P. J. Proudhon
"Property is impossible."
-- P. J. Proudhon

"Etymology:
Argumentum ad Septicus : argument to putrefaction. Derived from Septicum
Argumentum : putrefaction of argument.

"Septic \Sep"tic\, Septical \Sep"tic*al\
a. [L. septicus to make putrid: cf. F. septique.]
Having power to promote putrefaction. Of or relating to or
caused by putrefaction." -- Kadaitcha Man, indirectly to
Donald "Skeptic"/"Septic" Alford, in MID: <a3svh.djj.19.1@news.alt.net>

"I never fail to be amazing" -- Looney Maroon for September 2006 nominee
William Barwell's ego knows no bounds. MID:
12ggt3q3uti3t52@corp.supernews.com

"Red meat won't hurt you. Fuzzy, blue-green meat will."
-- Zog the etc., in alt.discordia (correct
as needed)

"may you live to whatever age you'd like to." -- Dave Hillstrom,
in alt.discordia

"We are most nearly ourselves when we achieve the seriousness of the
child at play." -- Heraclitus

"And thats another mistake on your part. Your 'playing' games on usenet,
and I'm not playing...It has nothing to do with impressing you, it has
more to do with making sure you have the education you'll need to debate.
The debate is no fun for me if you are mentally incapable of it. I'm
giving you an opportunity to educate yourself. That's all." -- A trashy
former virus-writer turned Outer Filth doesn't know if he's playing or
working, in MID: <1159389579.179851.33970@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>

"I am incapable of original thoughts" -- Ctrl?/Alt?/Del? has an honest
moment, in MID: <0h59i25ejlthqeeitdp0hlk4kvo1ejpkt9@4ax.com>

"But now the end is near. Now Mark Foley comes along and is making
almost all liberal dreams come true and seriously, I'm sorry for it.
See, I believe in karma. I believe what comes around goes around and I
know full well that it's just bad juju to wish such a level of turmoil
and ill upon other humans, warmongering gay-hating maladroits or no, and
that the real path of enlightenment is paved with forgiveness and
progress and white-hot love and turning the other cheek and scotch.

"In fact, Jesus said something about that, I do believe. He said, "Knock
it off already with the warmongering and the hating of each other and
let's all get some wine and party like it's 2012." Then again, he never
saw Karl Rove stab the nation with the dull ice pick of bogus fear. He
never heard George W. Bush describe brutal war and the death of tens of
thousands as "just a comma" in world history.

"Check that. Maybe I'm not so sorry after all." -- Mark Morford,
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/gate/archive/2006/10/11/
notes101106.DTL&nl=fix
http://tinyurl.com/kusmr

 

In article <CiXak.1613$7%6.688@edtnps82>,
The Original Demon Prince of Absurdity
<absurd_number_of_nicks@hell.everyposehasits.corn> wrote:

> On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 11:03:01 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal did the
> cha-cha, and screamed:
> > Snuhwolf wrote:
> >> On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 14:06:34 -0400, Daedalus aided th' terraists with
> >> the following claims :
> >>
> >> > I used to admire physicists in a big way for their big ideas and
> >> > fascinating concepts. These days they just seem like nutty professors
> >> > and bullshit artists to me. They are the big talkers that never
> >> > deliver on much. The daydreamers that don't seem to ever give you a
> >> > straight answer about anything. Sure we can fold space or make a
> >> > lightsaber in maybe a hundred years.
> >> >
> >> > Astronomers are kind of the same way, but astronomers actually
> >> > discover something new once in a while, or the claim to. Since I don't
> >> > own a Hubble telescope, I don't know if that giant planet is really in
> >> > the next solar system.
> >> >
> >> > We've got biochemists that are on the verge of creating single cells
> >> > out of amino acids in a lab and those yokel physicists are busy
> >> > building giant atom smashers under the ground to look for dark matter.
> >> > And working on this:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/07/01/invisible.cloak/index.html?iref=mpstor
> >> > yvi
> >> > ew
> >> >
> >> > Why not do something helpful to mankind, you k00ks?
> >> >
> >> > Jade
> >>
> >> Ahhh...but what if they create teh TIME MACHINE? Then we can go back and
> >> kill hitler, make sure Gore gets inaugurated etc And totally fuck up
> >> the time stream so that you finnaly get to meet yourself as your own
> >> father.
> >> That would totally rawk!
> >
> > its not so exciting in practice
> > there are no absolute in causality only probabilities so what you think of
> > a time paradox
> > as the past coalesces becomes just a low probability event noncausally
> > selected
>
> And then you wind up traipsing *across* timestreams, in a "Magical Mystery
> Tour" sense...Really, you need a TARDIS.

a time capsule is hopelessly overengineered
moving all that interior all over the universe

all you really need to do is map a door to different locations

arf meow arf - raggedy ann and andy for president and vice
limp and spineless lint for brains is better yet and nice
then rueing pair of shrub and dick the republican lice
call me desdenova seven seven seven seven seven seven

 

On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 03:01:54 +0000, The Original Demon Prince of Absurdity
wrote:

> On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 11:03:01 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal did the
> cha-cha, and screamed:
>> Snuhwolf wrote:
>>> On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 14:06:34 -0400, Daedalus aided th' terraists with
>>> the following claims :
>>>
>>> > I used to admire physicists in a big way for their big ideas and
>>> > fascinating concepts. These days they just seem like nutty
>>> > professors and bullshit artists to me. They are the big talkers that
>>> > never deliver on much. The daydreamers that don't seem to ever give
>>> > you a straight answer about anything. Sure we can fold space or make
>>> > a lightsaber in maybe a hundred years.
>>> >
>>> > Astronomers are kind of the same way, but astronomers actually
>>> > discover something new once in a while, or the claim to. Since I
>>> > don't own a Hubble telescope, I don't know if that giant planet is
>>> > really in the next solar system.
>>> >
>>> > We've got biochemists that are on the verge of creating single cells
>>> > out of amino acids in a lab and those yokel physicists are busy
>>> > building giant atom smashers under the ground to look for dark
>>> > matter. And working on this:
>>> >
>>> > http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/07/01/invisible.cloak/index.html?
iref=mpstoryvi
>>> > ew
>>> >
>>> > Why not do something helpful to mankind, you k00ks?
>>> >
>>> > Jade
>>>
>>> Ahhh...but what if they create teh TIME MACHINE? Then we can go back
>>> and kill hitler, make sure Gore gets inaugurated etc And totally
>>> fuck up the time stream so that you finnaly get to meet yourself as
>>> your own father.
>>> That would totally rawk!
>>
>> its not so exciting in practice
>> there are no absolute in causality only probabilities so what you think
>> of a time paradox
>> as the past coalesces becomes just a low probability event noncausally
>> selected
>
> And then you wind up traipsing *across* timestreams, in a "Magical
> Mystery Tour" sense...Really, you need a TARDIS.

You NEED the Mighty Boosh.

Fucking plagiarists.

Two ayem, BBC three.


--
? 88
,d 88
88 88
MM88MMM 88,dPPYba, ,adPPYba,
88 88P' "8a a8P_____88
88 88 88 8PP"""""""
88, 88 88 "8b, ,aa
"Y888 88 88 `"Ybbd8"'
88 88
"" 88 ,d
88 88
88,dPYba,,adPYba, 88 ,adPPYb,d8 88,dPPYba, MM88MMM 8b d8
88P' "88" "8a 88 a8" `Y88 88P' "8a 88 `8b d8'
88 88 88 88 8b 88 88 88 88 `8b d8'
88 88 88 88 "8a, ,d88 88 88 88, `8b,d8'
88 88 88 88 `"YbbdP"Y8 88 88 "Y888 Y88'
aa, ,88 d8'
"Y8bbdP" d8'
88 88 88
88 88 88
88 88 88
88,dPPYba, ,adPPYYba, 88 88 ,adPPYba, ,adPPYba,
88P' "8a "" `Y8 88 88 a8" "8a a8" "8a
88 d8 ,adPPPPP88 88 88 8b d8 8b d8
88b, ,a8" 88, ,88 88 88 "8a, ,a8" "8a, ,a8"
8Y"Ybbd8"' `"8bbdP"Y8 88 88 `"YbbdP"' `"YbbdP"'

8 d8 8888 d8
8d8b.d8b. 8d8b. 8d8b.d8b. 8 8ww. Yb dP 8
8P Y8P Y8 8P Y8 8P Y8P Y8 8 `8 `8. 8
8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 Y88P dP Yb 8

 

dave hillstrom <DaVe@MeOw.OrG> wrote in
news:cekn645beq5f84klotl0787q1qg990du00@4ax.com:

> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 23:40:53 -0700 (PDT), kronecker@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>spooge wrote:
>>
>>> "Robert J. Kolker" <bobkolker@comcast.net> wrote in news:Mb-
>>> dna7CV4SX4PfVnZ2dnUVZ_rvinZ2d@comcast.com:
>>>
>>> > Daedalus wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> I used to admire physicists in a big way for their big ideas and
>>> >> fascinating concepts. These days they just seem like nutty
>>> >> professors and bullshit artists to me. They are the big talkers
>>> >> that never deliver on much. The daydreamers that don't seem to
>>> >> ever give you a straight answer about anything. Sure we can fold
>>> >> space or make a lightsaber in maybe a hundred years.
>>> >
>>> > The "nutty professors" have provided the engineers and applied
>>> > scientists the means of constructing the technology that makes you
>>> > prosperous and safe.
>>>
>>> The lady is 100% correct.
>>>
>>> There hasn't been anything new in physics since E=MC2.
>>>
>>> Most schools are still able to use physics textbooks from the 50's,
>>> the science is that moribund.
>>>
>>> You (by which I mean any and all physicists, their families, friends
>>> and supporters) should be ashamed of all the billions of $ in
>>> research grants that have been squandered on physics over the past
>>> 50 years while a cure for the common cold still eludes the more
>>> relevant sciences.
>>>
>>
>>Now I am an Engineer and am well aware of the limitations of
>>Physicists. To a certain extend
>> Engineering has overtaken Physics in many areas.
>>
>>However, credit where credit is due, it was the Physicists that
>>developed the laser diode without which engineers could not design CD
>>and DVD players.
>
> ok, now we are getting somewhere! there is at least ~one~ thing
> physicists have done for us within the last 30 years!

How sad is it that the sum total of contribution made by the thousands and
thousands and thousands of physicists that have toiled - mostly on
government (that's you and I) funding - lo these past 5 decades can be
contained in a list of one (1) item?

Mind you, I am a fan of both CDs and DVDs, so it isn't that I'm not
grateful, but really, thats all?

Tsk, tsk, tsk.

<Were this not a text only forum I'd post a video clip of me wagging my
index finger, too>

>>We work best together but I think in Physics it's got to a stage that
>>it needs a genius brain to make progress after Einstein. In
>>engineering we can evolve and improve gradually. In fact since the
>>invention of the microprocessor Elect Engineers have only made thing
>>smaller and faster.
>>That is a great achievement of course but what is new? We still don't
>>have quantum computers, plastic semiconductors,superconductors that
>>really work at room temperature (say in PCs).
>>The slowing down of light thiny was good a few years back and the
>>cloaking technology that some are working on. If you want the best
>>though - join the millitary, fuck knows what they do.
>>When the theory of Time travel is eventually discovered it will be
>>Engineers working with Physicists that make it work.
>>
>>K.
>>
>>K.
>
> --
> dave hillstrom mhm15x4 zrbj
> "i believe that the word "fuckhead" has become so wide spread and
> nearly meaningless as to qualify as a metavariable, similar to "foo"
> and "bar". and that it should uphold the responsibilities and enjoy
> the privileges of the new office. here here!!"
> -dave hillstrom
>



--
Religion provides the means for the ignorant to declare with absolute
certainty that they know the unknowable.

 

On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 03:31:27 GMT, Yogi Mothball <capoeman@shaw.ca>
wrote:

>On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 03:01:54 +0000, The Original Demon Prince of Absurdity
>wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 11:03:01 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal did the
>> cha-cha, and screamed:
>>> Snuhwolf wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 14:06:34 -0400, Daedalus aided th' terraists with
>>>> the following claims :
>>>>
>>>> > I used to admire physicists in a big way for their big ideas and
>>>> > fascinating concepts. These days they just seem like nutty
>>>> > professors and bullshit artists to me. They are the big talkers that
>>>> > never deliver on much. The daydreamers that don't seem to ever give
>>>> > you a straight answer about anything. Sure we can fold space or make
>>>> > a lightsaber in maybe a hundred years.
>>>> >
>>>> > Astronomers are kind of the same way, but astronomers actually
>>>> > discover something new once in a while, or the claim to. Since I
>>>> > don't own a Hubble telescope, I don't know if that giant planet is
>>>> > really in the next solar system.
>>>> >
>>>> > We've got biochemists that are on the verge of creating single cells
>>>> > out of amino acids in a lab and those yokel physicists are busy
>>>> > building giant atom smashers under the ground to look for dark
>>>> > matter. And working on this:
>>>> >
>>>> > http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/07/01/invisible.cloak/index.html?
>iref=mpstoryvi
>>>> > ew
>>>> >
>>>> > Why not do something helpful to mankind, you k00ks?
>>>> >
>>>> > Jade
>>>>
>>>> Ahhh...but what if they create teh TIME MACHINE? Then we can go back
>>>> and kill hitler, make sure Gore gets inaugurated etc And totally
>>>> fuck up the time stream so that you finnaly get to meet yourself as
>>>> your own father.
>>>> That would totally rawk!
>>>
>>> its not so exciting in practice
>>> there are no absolute in causality only probabilities so what you think
>>> of a time paradox
>>> as the past coalesces becomes just a low probability event noncausally
>>> selected
>>
>> And then you wind up traipsing *across* timestreams, in a "Magical
>> Mystery Tour" sense...Really, you need a TARDIS.
>
>You NEED the Mighty Boosh.
>
>Fucking plagiarists.
>
>Two ayem, BBC three.

ahem. since when did shaw cable, a canadian company, carry BBC 3, an
english channel?

when i lived up in ottawa in 2000 for 5 months, we didnt get no bbc
channels, honey.

--
dave hillstrom mhm15x4 zrbj
"i believe that the word "fuckhead" has become so wide spread and
nearly meaningless as to qualify as a metavariable, similar to "foo"
and "bar". and that it should uphold the responsibilities and enjoy
the privileges of the new office. here here!!"
-dave hillstrom

 

On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 00:39:50 GMT, Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com>
wrote:

>dave hillstrom wrote:
>
>>
>> ahem. as an electrical engineering student at RPI in the mid 80's, i
>> was forced to take SEVERAL materials and semiconductor theory classes.
>> so your point is incorrect.
>
> But did you learn the physics (quantum mechanics) of semiconductors?

yes. and what a pain it was.

then, since im specialized in control and uC system design, as well as
manufacturing systems, i promptly forgot it.

two of my electrical engineer frat bros, however, were put through the
semiconductor post-grad hell at Cornell before going to serve their
time at semiconductor fabs.

--
dave hillstrom mhm15x4 zrbj
"i believe that the word "fuckhead" has become so wide spread and
nearly meaningless as to qualify as a metavariable, similar to "foo"
and "bar". and that it should uphold the responsibilities and enjoy
the privileges of the new office. here here!!"
-dave hillstrom

 

On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 00:55:01 GMT, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:

>Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote:
>> dave hillstrom wrote:
>
>> >
>> > ahem. as an electrical engineering student at RPI in the mid 80's, i
>> > was forced to take SEVERAL materials and semiconductor theory classes.
>> > so your point is incorrect.
>
>> But did you learn the physics (quantum mechanics) of semiconductors?
>
>Can't speak for him, but to get my BSEE I did.
>
>There were so many physics courses it would have only taken a few more
>to get a dual degree.

ditto

but engineers eat better, generally.

i wonder why that is, hmmmm?

--
dave hillstrom mhm15x4 zrbj
"i believe that the word "fuckhead" has become so wide spread and
nearly meaningless as to qualify as a metavariable, similar to "foo"
and "bar". and that it should uphold the responsibilities and enjoy
the privileges of the new office. here here!!"
-dave hillstrom

 

On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 00:58:30 GMT, Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com>
wrote:

>dave hillstrom wrote:
>> On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 05:26:02 GMT, Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> ave Maelstrom's wrote:
>>>
>>>> --
>>>> dave hillstrom mhm15x4 zrbj
>>>> "i believe that the word "fuckhead" has become so wide spread and
>>>> nearly meaningless as to qualify as a metavariable, similar to "foo"
>>>> and "bar". and that it should uphold the responsibilities and enjoy
>>>> the privileges of the new office. here here!!"
>>>> -dave hillstrom
>>>
>>> Hey Dave--Let's talk Global Positioning System, specifically
>>> Cesium and Rubidium clocks, relativistic corrections and the
>>> quantum mechanics behind the circuitry. Then there is the
>>> determination of the figure of the earth, the spread spectrum
>>> correlation receivers and the correlation pseudo noise codes.
>>> Add to that the supersensitive electronic receivers used in the
>>> ground control segment and the semiconductor technology in the
>>> receiving CPUs.... It was the theorists and the physicists with
>>> insatiable curiosity that came up with the breakthroughs
>>> necessary for this global utility.
>>>
>>> Bet you don't even know what GPS is!
>>
>> sorry honey, but ive got two handheld GPS units myself. and i know
>> about the basic theory of positioning via differences in clock signals
>> allowing triangulation.
>
>
> Surely you jest... I sure hope you mean trilateration!

are you picking at nits here? so i used a term that relates to 2D, so
as to make the conversation readable by mere mortals. if you want to
be high and mighty about it, and it makes you feel important, you use
any term you want, mkay?

maybe you should try a spelling or grammar lame next, sam.

>>
>> tell me, when were the physicists inventing this, hmmm? wasnt it
>> quite some time ago? and isnt this discussion about "what have you
>> done for me lately?"
>
> You wouldn't be trying to get out of the discussion about Cesium
> and Rubidium clocks, relativistic corrections and the quantum mechanics
> behind the circuitry used in GPS, now would you?

no. im trying to keep YOU on track considering the question
originally put forth by Jade, that is "what have you physicists done
for us lately." this discussion was not started by a question about
cesium and rubidium clocks. or is your short term memory so stunted
by some nameless substance as to have forgotten that fact?

the theory behind gps was done WHEN by physicists, hmmm? certainly
longer than 30 years ago, wouldnt you say?

so, what have you physicists done for us ~lately~?

--
dave hillstrom mhm15x4 zrbj
"i believe that the word "fuckhead" has become so wide spread and
nearly meaningless as to qualify as a metavariable, similar to "foo"
and "bar". and that it should uphold the responsibilities and enjoy
the privileges of the new office. here here!!"
-dave hillstrom

 

On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 01:19:02 GMT, Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com>
wrote:

>jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote:
>>> dave hillstrom wrote:
>>
>>>> ahem. as an electrical engineering student at RPI in the mid 80's, i
>>>> was forced to take SEVERAL materials and semiconductor theory classes.
>>>> so your point is incorrect.
>>
>>> But did you learn the physics (quantum mechanics) of semiconductors?
>>
>> Can't speak for him, but to get my BSEE I did.
>>
>> There were so many physics courses it would have only taken a few more
>> to get a dual degree.
>>
>>
>
> Very good.

yes. very good that engineers actually DO something with available
information. in fact, its so good that engineers have pretty near
completely obsoleted physicists in organizations worldwide.

you see, we engineers actually INNOVATE and DESIGN things that are
useful, as opposed to physicists who stand at blackboards or scrawling
up trees worth of paper whilst pulling out their hair trying to figure
out something, anything, even just one thing in their ~lifetime~, that
~might~ be even ~marginally~ useful.

so, again, what have you physicists done for us lately, hmmm?

--
dave hillstrom mhm15x4 zrbj
"i believe that the word "fuckhead" has become so wide spread and
nearly meaningless as to qualify as a metavariable, similar to "foo"
and "bar". and that it should uphold the responsibilities and enjoy
the privileges of the new office. here here!!"
-dave hillstrom

 

On Jul 1, 9:27?pm, Uncle Al <Uncle...@hate.spam.net> wrote:

> Hey stooopid - look up how 1000 ampere currents are switched in an
> E*L*E*C*T*R*I*C car. ?It's done solid state and the module is the size
> of a sandwich. ?Not a grinder, either, a Wonderbread slab. ? Somebody
> got clever. ?It wasn't a MechE and sure as shit wasn't an artist.

Uncle Al, you are WAY out of your league here! It sure as hell wasn't
a physicist that came up with how to switch 1000 amps either! They'd
have about as much clue of that technology as you do...namely none.

Lessee what's a flame for a person even MORE stoopid than a moron?

Oh yeah.

CHEMIST.

 

On Jul 3, 5:51 pm, Benj <bjac...@iwaynet.net> wrote:
> On Jul 1, 9:27 pm, Uncle Al <Uncle...@hate.spam.net> wrote:
>
> > Hey stooopid - look up how 1000 ampere currents are switched in an
> > E*L*E*C*T*R*I*C car. It's done solid state and the module is the size
> > of a sandwich. Not a grinder, either, a Wonderbread slab. Somebody
> > got clever. It wasn't a MechE and sure as shit wasn't an artist.
>
> Uncle Al, you are WAY out of your league here! It sure as hell wasn't
> a physicist that came up with how to switch 1000 amps either! They'd
> have about as much clue of that technology as you do...namely none.
>
> Lessee what's a flame for a person even MORE stoopid than a moron?
>
> Oh yeah.
>
> CHEMIST.

Uncle Al -hoisted by his own petard!!


K.

 

dave hillstrom wrote:

>
> yes. very good that engineers actually DO something with available
> information. in fact, its so good that engineers have pretty near
> completely obsoleted physicists in organizations worldwide.
>
> you see, we engineers actually INNOVATE and DESIGN things that are
> useful, as opposed to physicists who stand at blackboards or scrawling
> up trees worth of paper whilst pulling out their hair trying to figure
> out something, anything, even just one thing in their ~lifetime~, that
> ~might~ be even ~marginally~ useful.
>
> so, again, what have you physicists done for us lately, hmmm?

o shown how the Sun works (via neutrinos)
o determined the age of the observable universe to a few percent
from the CMB
o demonstrated quantum computing (that will keep engineers busy)
o entanglement (that too will keep engineers busy)
o etc.

Actually the list is pretty dang long. Would you like scientific
references?

 

dave hillstrom wrote:
> On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 00:55:01 GMT, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>
>> Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote:
>>> dave hillstrom wrote:
>>>> ahem. as an electrical engineering student at RPI in the mid 80's, i
>>>> was forced to take SEVERAL materials and semiconductor theory classes.
>>>> so your point is incorrect.
>>> But did you learn the physics (quantum mechanics) of semiconductors?
>> Can't speak for him, but to get my BSEE I did.
>>
>> There were so many physics courses it would have only taken a few more
>> to get a dual degree.
>
> ditto
>
> but engineers eat better, generally.

You mean overweight... and related health problems?

>
> i wonder why that is, hmmmm?

Too much food... not enough pulling out of the hair at the chalk board.

 

dave hillstrom wrote:
> On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 00:39:50 GMT, Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com>
> wrote:
>
>> dave hillstrom wrote:
>>
>>> ahem. as an electrical engineering student at RPI in the mid 80's, i
>>> was forced to take SEVERAL materials and semiconductor theory classes.
>>> so your point is incorrect.
>> But did you learn the physics (quantum mechanics) of semiconductors?
>
> yes. and what a pain it was.
>
> then, since im specialized in control and uC system design, as well as
> manufacturing systems, i promptly forgot it.

That's a shame.


>
> two of my electrical engineer frat bros, however, were put through the
> semiconductor post-grad hell at Cornell before going to serve their
> time at semiconductor fabs.
>
> --
> dave hillstrom mhm15x4 zrbj
> "i believe that the word "fuckhead" has become so wide spread and
> nearly meaningless as to qualify as a metavariable, similar to "foo"
> and "bar". and that it should uphold the responsibilities and enjoy
> the privileges of the new office. here here!!"
> -dave hillstrom

 

dave hillstrom wrote:
> On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 00:58:30 GMT, Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com>
> wrote:
>
>> dave hillstrom wrote:
>>> On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 05:26:02 GMT, Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> ave Maelstrom's wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> dave hillstrom mhm15x4 zrbj
>>>>> "i believe that the word "fuckhead" has become so wide spread and
>>>>> nearly meaningless as to qualify as a metavariable, similar to "foo"
>>>>> and "bar". and that it should uphold the responsibilities and enjoy
>>>>> the privileges of the new office. here here!!"
>>>>> -dave hillstrom
>>>> Hey Dave--Let's talk Global Positioning System, specifically
>>>> Cesium and Rubidium clocks, relativistic corrections and the
>>>> quantum mechanics behind the circuitry. Then there is the
>>>> determination of the figure of the earth, the spread spectrum
>>>> correlation receivers and the correlation pseudo noise codes.
>>>> Add to that the supersensitive electronic receivers used in the
>>>> ground control segment and the semiconductor technology in the
>>>> receiving CPUs.... It was the theorists and the physicists with
>>>> insatiable curiosity that came up with the breakthroughs
>>>> necessary for this global utility.
>>>>
>>>> Bet you don't even know what GPS is!
>>> sorry honey, but ive got two handheld GPS units myself. and i know
>>> about the basic theory of positioning via differences in clock signals
>>> allowing triangulation.
>>
>> Surely you jest... I sure hope you mean trilateration!
>
> are you picking at nits here? so i used a term that relates to 2D, so
> as to make the conversation readable by mere mortals. if you want to
> be high and mighty about it, and it makes you feel important, you use
> any term you want, mkay?

Triangulation is not restricted to 2-D
Neither is trilateration.

GPS uses trilateration (sides), not triangulation (angles)
Big difference.


>
> maybe you should try a spelling or grammar lame next, sam.

Lame is a piece of software I use on Linux/Unix platforms
to convert music formats.

>
>>> tell me, when were the physicists inventing this, hmmm? wasnt it
>>> quite some time ago? and isnt this discussion about "what have you
>>> done for me lately?"
>> You wouldn't be trying to get out of the discussion about Cesium
>> and Rubidium clocks, relativistic corrections and the quantum mechanics
>> behind the circuitry used in GPS, now would you?
>
> no. im trying to keep YOU on track considering the question
> originally put forth by Jade, that is "what have you physicists done
> for us lately." this discussion was not started by a question about
> cesium and rubidium clocks. or is your short term memory so stunted
> by some nameless substance as to have forgotten that fact?

Last 5-7 years...

o shown how the Sun works (via neutrinos)
o determined the age of the observable universe to a few percent
from the CMB
o demonstrated quantum computing (that will keep engineers busy)
o entanglement (that too will keep engineers busy)
o etc.


>
> the theory behind gps was done WHEN by physicists, hmmm? certainly
> longer than 30 years ago, wouldnt you say?

Much of the pioneering work of physicists and mathematicians takes
decade to make it into products that society benefits from... it
often takes a whole generation of new engineers to grasp the physics
concepts. Hopefully the quantum computers will come faster.


>
> so, what have you physicists done for us ~lately~?

See above.

 

On Jul 1, 10:45?pm, dave hillstrom <D...@MeOw.OrG> wrote:

> >Next time you need nuclear imaging, keep physicists in mind.
>
> and thats it, folks. ?the full list of physicists accomplishments
> during the last 30 years.

No that's not even it! Yes nuclear magnetic resonance is physics, but
the NMR machines so important in chemistry weren't developed by
physicists and ESPECIALLY the imaging devices used in medicine
weren't.

These physicist claims for "developing" a host of things remind me of
the old Twilight Zone show where the guy goes back in time and figures
he'll be rich because he knows all manner modern inventions. So he
goes to a mechanic and tells him he's invented the "self-starter" for
an automobile. So he tells the mechanic, "It's simple! You turn the
key and the car starts!" This is about what you get from "idea men".
This is where physicists have all turned into bullshit artists even
here as they try to claim credit for things in which they played next
to no part and can't even understand the technology needed at the
level needed to even BUILD one let alone INVENT one! Look at this
list: "I was thinking more in terms of CDs, computers, modern cars,
electronics,
weather forecasting, global satellite navigation systems, cell
phones... you know, the stuff you use, Jade."

I'd love to see a physicist try to even UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY the
technology used in these devices. BWAHAHAhahaha!

Like so many older professions, physicists tend to be riding on a past
reputation. Time was...say back in WWII when the bullshit they are
spinning now was a true story. Engineers and applied scientists in
those days used to be quite narrowly focused on handbooks and rules
and component specifications. When the kind of general understanding
of physical principles was needed engineers didn't have the broad
education to handle it. So physicists were called in to not only
build the atomic bomb, but also for a host of other things like say
the magnetron. Electromagnetics at that level was way beyond the
engineers of the day.

But people aren't dumb. Physics education pretty much stayed the same
(only adding more modern topics which often tended to make no sense
and were simply dogma) while engineers and other applied professions
had educational curricula totally revised to create a group of persons
highly educated in a BROAD spectrum of math and science and still
grounded in practical application. So now except for exotica, (like
say cryogenics) you observe as you do here physicists trying to claim
credit for computers, and CDs, and electronics, and cellphones, simply
because one of their kind once developed a solid state amplifier
that just barely worked! If you want the radar cross-section of a
ogive, ask a physicist. Sure, that will work...not! Sheesh!

As someone else here said, yeah we LOVE the H bomb, and you did some
great shit in WWII, but what have you done for us lately?

 

On Jul 1, 10:59?pm, mariposas rand mair fheal <mair_fh...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> physics is applied math

Right. Physicists think that mathematics is more real than reality!
Now there's a practical start on understanding the universe!

> engineering is poorly applied math

Sure. That's why you have that quantum computer sitting on your desk
and the power comes into your house over room temperature
superconducting wires!

> math rules

Over what? Over video games? Yeah, probably. Oh yeah, tell us again
how physicists invented video games. Or was that Algore?


> arf meow arf - raggedy ann and andy for president and vice
> limp and spineless lint for brains is ?better yet and nice
> then rueing pair of shrub and dick the republican lice
> call me desdenova seven seven seven seven seven seven

 

spooge wrote:

> There hasn't been anything new in physics since E=MC2.
>
> Most schools are still able to use physics textbooks from the 50's, the
> science is that moribund.
>
> You (by which I mean any and all physicists, their families, friends and
> supporters) should be ashamed of all the billions of $ in research grants
> that have been squandered on physics over the past 50 years while a cure
> for the common cold still eludes the more relevant sciences.

Ashamed? No way! You have NO idea of the massive advances physics
has made in understanding of the fundamentals of the universe! People
have talked here about physicists inventing the tardis but that is
just the TIP of the iceberg. You have NO idea of the wonders that
physics has wrought! I'd love to tell you about the wonders those
billions of dollars have produced but unfortunately they are all
highly classified. And anyway the cold was cured years ago by Nobel
Prize winner (no, not Algore) Linus Pauling.