Physicists don't deliver

On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 23:40:53 -0700 (PDT), kronecker@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

>
>
>spooge wrote:
>
>> "Robert J. Kolker" <bobkolker@comcast.net> wrote in news:Mb-
>> dna7CV4SX4PfVnZ2dnUVZ_rvinZ2d@comcast.com:
>>
>> > Daedalus wrote:
>> >
>> >> I used to admire physicists in a big way for their big ideas and
>> >> fascinating concepts. These days they just seem like nutty professors
>> >> and bullshit artists to me. They are the big talkers that never
>> >> deliver on much. The daydreamers that don't seem to ever give you a
>> >> straight answer about anything. Sure we can fold space or make a
>> >> lightsaber in maybe a hundred years.
>> >
>> > The "nutty professors" have provided the engineers and applied
>> > scientists the means of constructing the technology that makes you
>> > prosperous and safe.
>>
>> The lady is 100% correct.
>>
>> There hasn't been anything new in physics since E=MC2.
>>
>> Most schools are still able to use physics textbooks from the 50's, the
>> science is that moribund.
>>
>> You (by which I mean any and all physicists, their families, friends and
>> supporters) should be ashamed of all the billions of $ in research grants
>> that have been squandered on physics over the past 50 years while a cure
>> for the common cold still eludes the more relevant sciences.
>>
>
>Now I am an Engineer and am well aware of the limitations of
>Physicists. To a certain extend
> Engineering has overtaken Physics in many areas.
>
>However, credit where credit is due, it was the Physicists that
>developed the laser diode without which engineers could not design CD
>and DVD players.

ok, now we are getting somewhere! there is at least ~one~ thing
physicists have done for us within the last 30 years!

>We work best together but I think in Physics it's got to a stage that
>it needs a genius brain to make progress after Einstein. In
>engineering we can evolve and improve gradually. In fact since the
>invention of the microprocessor Elect Engineers have only made thing
>smaller and faster.
>That is a great achievement of course but what is new? We still don't
>have quantum computers, plastic semiconductors,superconductors that
>really work at room temperature (say in PCs).
>The slowing down of light thiny was good a few years back and the
>cloaking technology that some are working on. If you want the best
>though - join the millitary, fuck knows what they do.
>When the theory of Time travel is eventually discovered it will be
>Engineers working with Physicists that make it work.
>
>K.
>
>K.

--
dave hillstrom mhm15x4 zrbj
"i believe that the word "fuckhead" has become so wide spread and
nearly meaningless as to qualify as a metavariable, similar to "foo"
and "bar". and that it should uphold the responsibilities and enjoy
the privileges of the new office. here here!!"
-dave hillstrom

 

On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 23:56:43 -0700 (PDT), Rock Brentwood
<markwh04@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Jul 1, 1:06?pm, Daedalus <j...@newtko0ouks.biz> wrote:
>> Why not do something helpful to mankind, you k00ks?
>
>Like you're doing with ... posting 76 USENET articles barely 48 hours
>into July, 1319, 719, 1153, 1605 and 859 articles each of the previous
>months? Real useful to humankind there. Damned USENET addict. What is
>up with you LOSERS?! 1000 articles a month?! How the HELL do you even
>find time for that? It takes at least 5-10 minutes to write up
>something new (unless you're spamming or repeating yourself ad
>infinitum) That's day times a day; 30 minutes between posts when
>counting the time you take to find something you want to reply to (the
>2/hour rate is a consistent average for each of you 1000+/month
>addicts) ... for a total 15 hours a day?! Every day!
>
>And watch. The other loser 1000+/month addicts, your androcleses/
>plutonium/spaceman/pentecho sock puppets are going to jump on this and
>everything else with only a 30 minute time lag or less. They're always
>on.
>
>A person posting 1500 articles a month is the last thing walking the
>face of this planet (more accurately: sitting on the face of this
>planet all day long doing nothing but posting articles) has any
>business calling anyone a k00k. The numbers alone put you in that
>category -- along with all others in this and other groups with the
>same numbers,
>
>This group is bullshit. It's time to remove it from the USENET, along
>with all the other addict-magnet unmoderated groups, because that's
>all you see on them these days: a glut of the same 1000+/month
>posters. 20 years and I haven't even got much past 10000 total, and
>here you are doing it all in less than a year.
>
>GET A LIFE! Maybe your present ISP (and all the others you manifest
>on) will agree and take the appropriate action; because, as rn used to
>say, this posting costs a lot of machines money.

so, in otherwords, you have no knowledge of physicists doing anything
innovative or wonderful for mankind within the last 30 or 40 years.
because a diatribe like that sure seems like youre trying to change
the subject.

--
dave hillstrom mhm15x4 zrbj
"i believe that the word "fuckhead" has become so wide spread and
nearly meaningless as to qualify as a metavariable, similar to "foo"
and "bar". and that it should uphold the responsibilities and enjoy
the privileges of the new office. here here!!"
-dave hillstrom

 

On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 00:06:47 -0700 (PDT), "Y.Porat"
<y.y.porat@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Jul 2, 8:04 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
>> dave hillstrom wrote:
>> > On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 19:58:49 -0700 (PDT), PD
>> > <TheDraperFam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> On Jul 1, 9:54 pm, dave hillstrom <D...@MeOw.OrG> wrote:
>> >>> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 19:31:42 -0700 (PDT), PD
>>
>> >>> <TheDraperFam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>> On Jul 1, 2:12 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
>> >>>>> Daedalus wrote:
>> >>>>>> On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 14:53:09 -0400, "Robert J. Kolker"
>> >>>>>> <bobkol...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> >>>>>>> Daedalus wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> I used to admire physicists in a big way for their big ideas and
>> >>>>>>>> fascinating concepts. These days they just seem like nutty professors
>> >>>>>>>> and bullshit artists to me. They are the big talkers that never
>> >>>>>>>> deliver on much. The daydreamers that don't seem to ever give you a
>> >>>>>>>> straight answer about anything. Sure we can fold space or make a
>> >>>>>>>> lightsaber in maybe a hundred years.
>> >>>>>>> The "nutty professors" have provided the engineers and applied
>> >>>>>>> scientists the means of constructing the technology that makes you
>> >>>>>>> prosperous and safe.
>> >>>>>>> Bob Kolker
>> >>>>>> Sure. Thanks for the A-bonb. What have you done for us lately, Bob?
>> >>>>>> Jade
>> >>>>> I was thinking more in terms of CDs, computers, modern cars, electronics,
>> >>>>> weather forecasting, global satellite navigation systems, cell phones...
>> >>>>> you know, the stuff you use, Jade.
>> >>>> Not to mention the world wide web.
>> >>> engineers and software geeks. not physicists.
>> >> Might want to look up the history of that a little more. Hint: Geneva.
>>
>> > i will. however...
>>
>> > physicists made secure websites for trade? physicists made search
>> > engines? physicists made the OS's and the browsers that add utility
>> > to the average humans experience of the web? i think not. thats
>> > mathematicians, engineers, and software geeks.
>>
>> In a way I feel sorry for you hillstrom... Certainly there are innovators
>> among the non-scientist... and they serve a very useful function in
>> the leapfrogging of science and technology... but you really should
>> learn from who the real breakthroughs come from.
>
>----------
>yes that is the question
>now
>no paper fiddler mathematician
>has contributed to technology
>except may be a few exceptions that i am not aware now
>the question is who did the real **big ,massive contributions!!*
>and it is surely not paper methematiciens

i would agree with that except for the important military and
commercial applications of game theory, at which mathematicians excel
at.

>scince advance is done only by trial and eror
>CONFRONTING REALITY OF NATURE
> toomany cases of adavnce were dont just by
>accidence
>of experimental scientists that were fiddling
>with experiments or experiments RESULTS !!
>not just paper fiddlings
>AND NO ARMECHAIR CROOKS WITH BIG MOUTHS
>
> ATB
>Y.Porat
>---------------------

--
dave hillstrom mhm15x4 zrbj
"i believe that the word "fuckhead" has become so wide spread and
nearly meaningless as to qualify as a metavariable, similar to "foo"
and "bar". and that it should uphold the responsibilities and enjoy
the privileges of the new office. here here!!"
-dave hillstrom

 

On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 19:06:55 -1200, "Rock Brentwood"
<markwh04@yahoo.commie> wrote:

><j...@newtko0ouks.biz> wrote: on jul 1, 1:06?pm, daedalus
><j...@newtko0ouks.biz> wrote: on jul 1, 1:06?pm, daedalus
><j...@newtko0ouks.biz>.
>> Why not do something helpful to mankind, you k00ks?
>
>New (unles barely to humankind something with you 1000 articles each of
>you takes barely to july, 1153, 1605 and 859 articles to (there. damned
>usenet addicts) ... for each of there. damned usenet addict. what? it
>takes a day?! 1000 articles a day; 30 minutes a day?! 1000 articles
>between find the time for a consistent average for that? it to july,
>1605 and times to july, 1319, 1153, 1319, 719, 719, 1605 and time for
>each of the time for there. damned usenet articles barely 48 hours into
>finitum) that's day time for rate up something you even posting 76
>usenet ad infind the hell do you want to repeating you losers?! everage
>for the 2/hour repeating you take times to reply 48 hour repeating the
>total 15 hourself ad into july, 1153, 1153, 1319, 1605 and something 76
>usenet articles at least 5-10 minutes a consistent average for each of
>the previous months? real useful total 15 hourself addict. what's day?!
>1000+/month?! every day; 30 minutes a day?! everage for there. damned
>usenet articless you even posting new (unles at is a to (the to write up
>something you're spamminutes a day time yours a month you're spamming
>the previous month?! 1000 articless you 1000 articles barely to find 859
>articless you take to humankind 859 articles to (the time for repeating
>76 usenet ad infind the hell doing you takes each.
>
>Going to jump only a 30 minute time lag or loser loser 1000+/month only
>a 30 minute time lag or leses/ plutonium/spaceman/pentecho sock puppets
>and everything else with on thing else with on this and watch. the other
>leses/ plutonium/spaceman/pentecho sock puppets and watch. they're going
>to jump only a 30 minute time lag or loser 1000+/month addicts, your and
>everythis are always only a 30 minute time lag or leses/
>plutonium/spaceman/pentecho.
>
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>that calling the same numbers, a pers a month is the last the face of
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>
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>years all the usenet, all you are days: a glut of the on that's all you
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>same 100000 to remove it from the same 10000+/month all you see on the
>usenet, and her addict-magnet unmoderated groups, because days: a glut
>of the other addict-magnet unmoderated group is bullshit. it's along it
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>remove it from the usenet, and i haven got much posters. 20 year. this
>group is bullshit. it's all the on that's there doing it from the.
>
>You manifest on) will the action; becaused to say, this posting costing
>costing costing costs a lot of machines money. get a life! maybe your
>present isp (and all agree and to say, the and all agree and all agree
>appropriate appropriate appropriate action; because, as rn use, as rn
>used to say, the others your present isp (and to say, the and take the
>action; becaused to say, this.

well, now, ~that~ was coherent, hmmm?

--
dave hillstrom mhm15x4 zrbj
"i believe that the word "fuckhead" has become so wide spread and
nearly meaningless as to qualify as a metavariable, similar to "foo"
and "bar". and that it should uphold the responsibilities and enjoy
the privileges of the new office. here here!!"
-dave hillstrom

 

dave hillstrom wrote:
> On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 05:04:56 GMT, Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>dave hillstrom wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 19:58:49 -0700 (PDT), PD
>>><TheDraperFamily@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Jul 1, 9:54 pm, dave hillstrom <D...@MeOw.OrG> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 19:31:42 -0700 (PDT), PD
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>><TheDraperFam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Jul 1, 2:12 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Daedalus wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 14:53:09 -0400, "Robert J. Kolker"
>>>>>>>><bobkol...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Daedalus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I used to admire physicists in a big way for their big ideas and
>>>>>>>>>>fascinating concepts. These days they just seem like nutty professors
>>>>>>>>>>and bullshit artists to me. They are the big talkers that never
>>>>>>>>>>deliver on much. The daydreamers that don't seem to ever give you a
>>>>>>>>>>straight answer about anything. Sure we can fold space or make a
>>>>>>>>>>lightsaber in maybe a hundred years.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>The "nutty professors" have provided the engineers and applied
>>>>>>>>>scientists the means of constructing the technology that makes you
>>>>>>>>>prosperous and safe.
>>>>>>>>>Bob Kolker
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Sure. Thanks for the A-bonb. What have you done for us lately, Bob?
>>>>>>>>Jade
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was thinking more in terms of CDs, computers, modern cars, electronics,
>>>>>>> weather forecasting, global satellite navigation systems, cell phones...
>>>>>>> you know, the stuff you use, Jade.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Not to mention the world wide web.
>>>>>
>>>>>engineers and software geeks. not physicists.
>>>>
>>>>Might want to look up the history of that a little more. Hint: Geneva.
>>>
>>>i will. however...
>>>
>>>physicists made secure websites for trade? physicists made search
>>>engines? physicists made the OS's and the browsers that add utility
>>>to the average humans experience of the web? i think not. thats
>>>mathematicians, engineers, and software geeks.
>>>
>>
>> In a way I feel sorry for you hillstrom... Certainly there are innovators
>> among the non-scientist... and they serve a very useful function in
>> the leapfrogging of science and technology... but you really should
>> learn from who the real breakthroughs come from.
>
>
> you mean things like the first op-amp? (which i saw, and was about 6
> inches by 5 inches in size) things like that? it just so happens i
> once met the engineer/manager who was heading the team in the 60's.
> no physicists on the team.

What about this won (1) aka Philbrick GAP/R K2-W? I was using these
back in the olden days. With a Philbrick quarter square multiplier.
They worked pretty good. For calculating cardiac output from flow and
pressure measurements. Amplifyin' and integratin' and filterin' and
multiplyin' and phase detecting. First on dogs. Then on people. You
could fit about 20-30 on a rack mount chassis and put knobs and
switches and connectors and panel lights on a panel with rub-on
letters over semi-gloss white enamel. Looked awesome.

--
nuts

 

On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 05:12:42 -0400, "Robert J. Kolker"
<bobkolker@comcast.net> wrote:

>dave hillstrom wrote:
>
>>
>> no, it runs on engineering. physicists are not needed to design a
>> computer. only engineers. its been so long since physicists added to
>> the pc state of the art that its laughable.
>> idiot.
>
>Transistor?
>
>And what was the basis for the engineering art? Look at a textbook that
>trains engineers to do work with solid state devices. Ninety percent
>quantum physics.
>
>Bob Kolker

and nearly 100% innovated upon by engineers, not physicists, since
that single event.

again, i would say that Jade's original question of what have you
physicists done for us lately applies here: the initial creation of
the transistor is not something physicists have done for us lately.

and the more you guys cry out "transistor! we made the transistor!"
the sadder your group looks. only TWO people have brought up other
innovations by physicists since the creation of the transistor that
might be construed as having been done by physicists recently.
(special clocks for GPS satellite system, and the laser diode for
cd/dvd/communications, although, again, these creations are at least
30 years old, with most all of the innovations since then done by
engineers and hacks)

--
dave hillstrom mhm15x4 zrbj
"i believe that the word "fuckhead" has become so wide spread and
nearly meaningless as to qualify as a metavariable, similar to "foo"
and "bar". and that it should uphold the responsibilities and enjoy
the privileges of the new office. here here!!"
-dave hillstrom

 

On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 02:48:10 -0700 (PDT), RichD
<r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Jul 1, "Robert J. Kolker" <bobkol...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> >>>>I used to admire physicists in a big way for their big ideas and
>> >>>>fascinating concepts. These days they just seem like nutty professors
>> >>>>and bullshit artists to me.
>>
>> >>>[snip crap]
>>
>> >>>Turn off your computer. ?It runs on physics.
>> >>>Idiot.
>>
>> >>Oh no sir. I beg to differ. It runs on electricity. I know very well
>> >>that electricity was not invented nor discovered by a physicist.
>>
>> > ? ?1) James Clarke Maxwell
>> > ? ?2) Nicola Tesla
>> > ? ?3) James Bardeen
>> > ? ?4) Idiot
>
>Ben Franklin
>
>> You forgot Michael Faraday who made the world's first electrical motor.
>
>And Aristotle - the first physicist, who still roolz today...

i dont believe that the basic machines and laws defined by aristotle
can be considered RECENT, which is what Jade asked for. not hundreds
and thousands of years old, but ~recent~ creation by physicists that
have made a real difference in the world.

--
dave hillstrom mhm15x4 zrbj
"i believe that the word "fuckhead" has become so wide spread and
nearly meaningless as to qualify as a metavariable, similar to "foo"
and "bar". and that it should uphold the responsibilities and enjoy
the privileges of the new office. here here!!"
-dave hillstrom

 

On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 10:32:02 -0700 (PDT), Eric Gisse
<jowr.pi@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Jul 1, 6:45?pm, dave hillstrom <D...@MeOw.OrG> wrote:
>> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 14:32:27 -0700 (PDT), Eric Gisse
>>
>>
>>
>> <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Jul 1, 10:06?am, Daedalus <j...@newtko0ouks.biz> wrote:
>> >> I used to admire physicists in a big way for their big ideas and
>> >> fascinating concepts. These days they just seem like nutty professors
>> >> and bullshit artists to me. They are the big talkers that never
>> >> deliver on much. The daydreamers that don't seem to ever give you a
>> >> straight answer about anything. Sure we can fold space or make a
>> >> lightsaber in maybe a hundred years.
>>
>> >> Astronomers are kind of the same way, but astronomers actually
>> >> discover something new once in a while, or the claim to. Since I don't
>> >> own a Hubble telescope, I don't know if that giant planet is really in
>> >> the next solar system.
>>
>> >> We've got biochemists that are on the verge of creating single cells
>> >> out of amino acids in a lab and those yokel physicists are busy
>> >> building giant atom smashers under the ground to look for dark matter.
>> >> And working on this:
>>
>> >>http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/07/01/invisible.cloak/index.html?iref=mp...
>>
>> >> Why not do something helpful to mankind, you k00ks?
>>
>> >> Jade
>>
>> >Next time you need nuclear imaging, keep physicists in mind.
>>
>> and thats it, folks. ?the full list of physicists accomplishments
>> during the last 30 years.
>
>What, that isn't good enough?

not compared to the vast quantities of innovations made by engineers
and inventors during the same time span. so, no, its not good enough.

not to mention that its engineers and software geeks that have made
the big steps in nuclear imaging since the first little tidbit from
the physicists.

--
dave hillstrom mhm15x4 zrbj
"i believe that the word "fuckhead" has become so wide spread and
nearly meaningless as to qualify as a metavariable, similar to "foo"
and "bar". and that it should uphold the responsibilities and enjoy
the privileges of the new office. here here!!"
-dave hillstrom

 

mixed nuts wrote:
> dave hillstrom wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 05:04:56 GMT, Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> dave hillstrom wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 19:58:49 -0700 (PDT), PD
>>>> <TheDraperFamily@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 1, 9:54 pm, dave hillstrom <D...@MeOw.OrG> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 19:31:42 -0700 (PDT), PD
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <TheDraperFam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 2:12 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Daedalus wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 14:53:09 -0400, "Robert J. Kolker"
>>>>>>>>> <bobkol...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Daedalus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I used to admire physicists in a big way for their big ideas and
>>>>>>>>>>> fascinating concepts. These days they just seem like nutty
>>>>>>>>>>> professors
>>>>>>>>>>> and bullshit artists to me. They are the big talkers that never
>>>>>>>>>>> deliver on much. The daydreamers that don't seem to ever give
>>>>>>>>>>> you a
>>>>>>>>>>> straight answer about anything. Sure we can fold space or make a
>>>>>>>>>>> lightsaber in maybe a hundred years.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The "nutty professors" have provided the engineers and applied
>>>>>>>>>> scientists the means of constructing the technology that makes
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>> prosperous and safe.
>>>>>>>>>> Bob Kolker
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sure. Thanks for the A-bonb. What have you done for us lately,
>>>>>>>>> Bob?
>>>>>>>>> Jade
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I was thinking more in terms of CDs, computers, modern cars,
>>>>>>>> electronics,
>>>>>>>> weather forecasting, global satellite navigation systems, cell
>>>>>>>> phones...
>>>>>>>> you know, the stuff you use, Jade.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not to mention the world wide web.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> engineers and software geeks. not physicists.
>>>>>
>>>>> Might want to look up the history of that a little more. Hint: Geneva.
>>>>
>>>> i will. however...
>>>>
>>>> physicists made secure websites for trade? physicists made search
>>>> engines? physicists made the OS's and the browsers that add utility
>>>> to the average humans experience of the web? i think not. thats
>>>> mathematicians, engineers, and software geeks.
>>>>
>>> In a way I feel sorry for you hillstrom... Certainly there are
>>> innovators
>>> among the non-scientist... and they serve a very useful function in
>>> the leapfrogging of science and technology... but you really should
>>> learn from who the real breakthroughs come from.
>>
>> you mean things like the first op-amp? (which i saw, and was about 6
>> inches by 5 inches in size) things like that? it just so happens i
>> once met the engineer/manager who was heading the team in the 60's.
>> no physicists on the team.
>
> What about this won (1) aka Philbrick GAP/R K2-W? I was using these
> back in the olden days. With a Philbrick quarter square multiplier.
> They worked pretty good. For calculating cardiac output from flow and
> pressure measurements. Amplifyin' and integratin' and filterin' and
> multiplyin' and phase detecting. First on dogs. Then on people. You
> could fit about 20-30 on a rack mount chassis and put knobs and
> switches and connectors and panel lights on a panel with rub-on
> letters over semi-gloss white enamel. Looked awesome.
>
Oh. I forgot the link: http://www.philbrickarchive.org/

--
nuts

 

dave hillstrom wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 02:48:10 -0700 (PDT), RichD
> <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On Jul 1, "Robert J. Kolker" <bobkol...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>I used to admire physicists in a big way for their big ideas and
>>>>>>>fascinating concepts. These days they just seem like nutty professors
>>>>>>>and bullshit artists to me.
>>>
>>>>>>[snip crap]
>>>
>>>>>>Turn off your computer. It runs on physics.
>>>>>>Idiot.
>>>
>>>>>Oh no sir. I beg to differ. It runs on electricity. I know very well
>>>>>that electricity was not invented nor discovered by a physicist.
>>>
>>>> 1) James Clarke Maxwell
>>>> 2) Nicola Tesla
>>>> 3) James Bardeen
>>>> 4) Idiot
>>
>>Ben Franklin
>>
>>>You forgot Michael Faraday who made the world's first electrical motor.
>>
>>And Aristotle - the first physicist, who still roolz today...
>
> i dont believe that the basic machines and laws defined by aristotle
> can be considered RECENT, which is what Jade asked for. not hundreds
> and thousands of years old, but ~recent~ creation by physicists that
> have made a real difference in the world.
>
Them old science gize were called natural philosophers. Later on, the
individual sciences acquired modern names like physics or chemistry or
paleoentomology. Some endowed academic chairs (left over from centuries
ago) in physics departments still carry 'The xxxx Chair of Natural
Philosophy' label.

--
nuts

 

On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 16:12:49 -0400, mixed nuts
<melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> wrote:

>dave hillstrom wrote:
>> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 02:48:10 -0700 (PDT), RichD
>> <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Jul 1, "Robert J. Kolker" <bobkol...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>I used to admire physicists in a big way for their big ideas and
>>>>>>>>fascinating concepts. These days they just seem like nutty professors
>>>>>>>>and bullshit artists to me.
>>>>
>>>>>>>[snip crap]
>>>>
>>>>>>>Turn off your computer. It runs on physics.
>>>>>>>Idiot.
>>>>
>>>>>>Oh no sir. I beg to differ. It runs on electricity. I know very well
>>>>>>that electricity was not invented nor discovered by a physicist.
>>>>
>>>>> 1) James Clarke Maxwell
>>>>> 2) Nicola Tesla
>>>>> 3) James Bardeen
>>>>> 4) Idiot
>>>
>>>Ben Franklin
>>>
>>>>You forgot Michael Faraday who made the world's first electrical motor.
>>>
>>>And Aristotle - the first physicist, who still roolz today...
>>
>> i dont believe that the basic machines and laws defined by aristotle
>> can be considered RECENT, which is what Jade asked for. not hundreds
>> and thousands of years old, but ~recent~ creation by physicists that
>> have made a real difference in the world.
>>
>Them old science gize were called natural philosophers. Later on, the
>individual sciences acquired modern names like physics or chemistry or
>paleoentomology. Some endowed academic chairs (left over from centuries
>ago) in physics departments still carry 'The xxxx Chair of Natural
>Philosophy' label.

ok, ~thats~ pretty neato, actually.

--
dave hillstrom mhm15x4 zrbj
"i believe that the word "fuckhead" has become so wide spread and
nearly meaningless as to qualify as a metavariable, similar to "foo"
and "bar". and that it should uphold the responsibilities and enjoy
the privileges of the new office. here here!!"
-dave hillstrom

 

In article <g4gngg$auh$1@aioe.org>, mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie>
wrote:

> dave hillstrom wrote:
> > On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 02:48:10 -0700 (PDT), RichD
> > <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >>On Jul 1, "Robert J. Kolker" <bobkol...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>>>>>>I used to admire physicists in a big way for their big ideas and
> >>>>>>>fascinating concepts. These days they just seem like nutty professors
> >>>>>>>and bullshit artists to me.
> >>>
> >>>>>>[snip crap]
> >>>
> >>>>>>Turn off your computer. It runs on physics.
> >>>>>>Idiot.
> >>>
> >>>>>Oh no sir. I beg to differ. It runs on electricity. I know very well
> >>>>>that electricity was not invented nor discovered by a physicist.
> >>>
> >>>> 1) James Clarke Maxwell
> >>>> 2) Nicola Tesla
> >>>> 3) James Bardeen
> >>>> 4) Idiot
> >>
> >>Ben Franklin
> >>
> >>>You forgot Michael Faraday who made the world's first electrical motor.
> >>
> >>And Aristotle - the first physicist, who still roolz today...

aristotle was not physicist
he was a doofus
he declared what nature must be
without bother to find out if nature agree

> > i dont believe that the basic machines and laws defined by aristotle
> > can be considered RECENT, which is what Jade asked for. not hundreds
> > and thousands of years old, but ~recent~ creation by physicists that
> > have made a real difference in the world.

string theory
which enabled a next generation of star trek crises

> Them old science gize were called natural philosophers. Later on, the

natural philosophy only started the renaissance
before that youre dealing doofus philosophers
some guys that are still hanging around in musty university corners
writing books only read by each other and unfortunate freshman students

arf meow arf - raggedy ann and andy for president and vice
limp and spineless lint for brains is better yet and nice
then rueing pair of shrub and dick the republican lice
call me desdenova seven seven seven seven seven seven

 

On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 23:23:28 -0400, in the land of
alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom <DaVe@MeOw.OrG>
got double secret probation for writing:

>On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 19:49:34 -0700, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 22:50:06 -0400, in the land of
>>alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, dave hillstrom <DaVe@MeOw.OrG>
>>got double secret probation for writing:
>>
>>>On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:27:04 -0700, Uncle Al <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>dave hillstrom wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 19:12:33 GMT, Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >Daedalus wrote:
>>>>> >> On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 14:53:09 -0400, "Robert J. Kolker"
>>>>> >> <bobkolker@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>> Daedalus wrote:
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> I used to admire physicists in a big way for their big ideas and
>>>>> >>>> fascinating concepts. These days they just seem like nutty professors
>>>>> >>>> and bullshit artists to me. They are the big talkers that never
>>>>> >>>> deliver on much. The daydreamers that don't seem to ever give you a
>>>>> >>>> straight answer about anything. Sure we can fold space or make a
>>>>> >>>> lightsaber in maybe a hundred years.
>>>>> >>> The "nutty professors" have provided the engineers and applied
>>>>> >>> scientists the means of constructing the technology that makes you
>>>>> >>> prosperous and safe.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Bob Kolker
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Sure. Thanks for the A-bonb. What have you done for us lately, Bob?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Jade
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I was thinking more in terms of CDs, computers, modern cars, electronics,
>>>>> > weather forecasting, global satellite navigation systems, cell phones...
>>>>> > you know, the stuff you use, Jade.
>>>>>
>>>>> ahem. please to be naming a physicist responsible for a current
>>>>> automobile, as i think they are mostly made by mechanical engineers
>>>>> and, of all things, architects and artists.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> dave hillstrom mhm15x4 zrbj
>>>>> "i believe that the word "fuckhead" has become so wide spread and
>>>>> nearly meaningless as to qualify as a metavariable, similar to "foo"
>>>>> and "bar". and that it should uphold the responsibilities and enjoy
>>>>> the privileges of the new office. here here!!"
>>>>> -dave hillstrom
>>>>
>>>>Hey stooopid - look up how 1000 ampere currents are switched in an
>>>>E*L*E*C*T*R*I*C car. It's done solid state and the module is the size
>>>>of a sandwich. Not a grinder, either, a Wonderbread slab. Somebody
>>>>got clever. It wasn't a MechE and sure as shit wasn't an artist.
>>>
>>>youre right.
>>>
>>>it was an electrical ENGINEER. not a physicist.
>>>
>>>thanks for playing. good luck next time.
>>
>>just a few years ago I could not speel injunear, now I are won.
>
>duh. thats cuz you are responsible for actual product instead of
>taking acid and staring at the stars, babbling into a little recorder
>so that tomorrow you might see if you actually thought of anything
>that could land a grant. like physicists do.

I are responbull fer utter peeps stuff.


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On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 20:45:27 -0700, in the land of
alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, mariposas rand mair fheal
<mair_fheal@yahoo.com> got double secret probation for writing:

>In article <34ul64la1va7cudj27ap8bjj8kdlhkn8ll@4ax.com>,
> dave hillstrom <DaVe@MeOw.OrG> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 20:24:27 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
>> <mair_fheal@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <0nsl641j8q7cleqslch4g1jj45mfe69d77@4ax.com>,
>> > dave hillstrom <DaVe@MeOw.OrG> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 19:59:57 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
>> >> <mair_fheal@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >In article <bpql641ut0kgr8upk6vijs60tltb8a724i@4ax.com>,
>> >> > dave hillstrom <DaVe@MeOw.OrG> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 17:09:53 -0400, "Robert J. Kolker"
>> >> >> <bobkolker@comcast.net> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >Uncle Al wrote:
>> >> >> >> Daedalus wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 12:41:01 -0700, Uncle Al
>> >> >> >>><UncleAl0@hate.spam.net>
>> >> >> >>>wrote:
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>>Daedalus wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>I used to admire physicists in a big way for their big ideas and
>> >> >> >>>>>fascinating concepts. These days they just seem like nutty
>> >> >> >>>>>professors
>> >> >> >>>>>and bullshit artists to me.
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>[snip crap]
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>Turn off your computer. It runs on physics.
>> >> >> >>>>Idiot.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>Oh no sir. I beg to differ. It runs on electricity. I know very well
>> >> >> >>>that electricity was not invented nor discovered by a physicist.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> 1) James Clarke Maxwell
>> >> >> >> 2) Nicola Tesla
>> >> >> >> 3) James Bardeen
>> >> >> >> 4) Idiot
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >You forgot Michael Faraday who made the world's first electrical
>> >> >> >motor.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Bob Kolker
>> >> >>
>> >> >> and what a piss poor motor it was. only when ENGINEERS got a hold of
>> >> >> it did it become a useful, broadly applicaple technology.
>> >> >
>> >> >physics is applied math
>> >> >engineering is poorly applied math
>> >> >
>> >> >math rules
>> >>
>> >> engineering is math made into something USEFUL to the general, or
>> >> specific, public.
>> >
>> >thats what we let you think
>>
>> YOU are just trying, and vainly i might add, to twist my tail. hah!
>
>i dont troll and i dont respond to trolls
>

I have statistics...


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On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 23:56:43 -0700 (PDT), in the land of
alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, Rock Brentwood
<markwh04@yahoo.com> got double secret probation for writing:

>On Jul 1, 1:06?pm, Daedalus <j...@newtko0ouks.biz> wrote:
>> Why not do something helpful to mankind, you k00ks?
>
>Like you're doing with ... posting 76 USENET articles barely 48 hours
>into July, 1319, 719, 1153, 1605 and 859 articles each of the previous
>months? Real useful to humankind there. Damned USENET addict. What is
>up with you LOSERS?! 1000 articles a month?! How the HELL do you even
>find time for that? It takes at least 5-10 minutes to write up
>something new (unless you're spamming or repeating yourself ad
>infinitum) That's day times a day; 30 minutes between posts when
>counting the time you take to find something you want to reply to (the
>2/hour rate is a consistent average for each of you 1000+/month
>addicts) ... for a total 15 hours a day?! Every day!
>
>And watch. The other loser 1000+/month addicts, your androcleses/
>plutonium/spaceman/pentecho sock puppets are going to jump on this and
>everything else with only a 30 minute time lag or less. They're always
>on.
>
>A person posting 1500 articles a month is the last thing walking the
>face of this planet (more accurately: sitting on the face of this
>planet all day long doing nothing but posting articles) has any
>business calling anyone a k00k. The numbers alone put you in that
>category -- along with all others in this and other groups with the
>same numbers,
>
>This group is bullshit. It's time to remove it from the USENET, along
>with all the other addict-magnet unmoderated groups, because that's
>all you see on them these days: a glut of the same 1000+/month
>posters. 20 years and I haven't even got much past 10000 total, and
>here you are doing it all in less than a year.
>
>GET A LIFE! Maybe your present ISP (and all the others you manifest
>on) will agree and take the appropriate action; because, as rn used to
>say, this posting costs a lot of machines money.

Stalk me next, cupcake.


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On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 11:46:38 GMT, in the land of
alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "The God of Odd Statements, Henry
Schmidt" <popesnarky.godofodd@statements.like.yours.caballista.org>
got double secret probation for writing:

>On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 19:08:17 -0700, Aratzio did most oddly state:
>> On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:39:26 -0700, in the land of
>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, mariposas rand mair fheal
>> got double secret probation for writing:
>>> Igor <thoovler@excite.com> wrote:
>>>> On Jul 1, 2:57?pm, Daedalus wrote:
>>>> > On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 14:53:09 -0400, "Robert J. Kolker"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> > >Daedalus wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > >> I used to admire physicists in a big way for their big ideas and
>>>> > >> fascinating concepts. These days they just seem like nutty
>>>> > >> professors and bullshit artists to me. They are the big talkers
>>>> > >> that never deliver on much. The daydreamers that don't seem to
>>>> > >> ever give you a straight answer about anything. Sure we can fold
>>>> > >> space or make a lightsaber in maybe a hundred years.
>>>> >
>>>> > >The "nutty professors" have provided the engineers and applied
>>>> > >scientists the means of constructing the technology that makes you
>>>> > >prosperous and safe.
>>>> >
>>>> > >Bob Kolker
>>>> >
>>>> > Sure. Thanks for the A-bonb. What have you done for us lately, Bob?
>>>> >
>>>> > Jade
>>>>
>>>> Where in the hell do you think you are, anyway? That's not exactly a
>>>> chalkboard where you're scrawling your incoherent messages.
>>>
>>>oh yeah thanks for inventing transistors and ultimately the internet
>>>
>>>its not abombs that will end humanity but indolence
>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Menagerie_(TOS_episode)
>>>
>>>gimme my xbox
>>
>> playstation has the best HD DVD player.
>
>Good for me that I now have both.

Blu Ray ackshully.


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dave hillstrom wrote:

>
> ahem. as an electrical engineering student at RPI in the mid 80's, i
> was forced to take SEVERAL materials and semiconductor theory classes.
> so your point is incorrect.

But did you learn the physics (quantum mechanics) of semiconductors?

 

Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote:
> dave hillstrom wrote:

> >
> > ahem. as an electrical engineering student at RPI in the mid 80's, i
> > was forced to take SEVERAL materials and semiconductor theory classes.
> > so your point is incorrect.

> But did you learn the physics (quantum mechanics) of semiconductors?

Can't speak for him, but to get my BSEE I did.

There were so many physics courses it would have only taken a few more
to get a dual degree.


--
Jim Pennino

Remove .spam.sux to reply.

 

dave hillstrom wrote:
> On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 05:26:02 GMT, Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com>
> wrote:
>
>> ave Maelstrom's wrote:
>>
>>> --
>>> dave hillstrom mhm15x4 zrbj
>>> "i believe that the word "fuckhead" has become so wide spread and
>>> nearly meaningless as to qualify as a metavariable, similar to "foo"
>>> and "bar". and that it should uphold the responsibilities and enjoy
>>> the privileges of the new office. here here!!"
>>> -dave hillstrom
>>
>> Hey Dave--Let's talk Global Positioning System, specifically
>> Cesium and Rubidium clocks, relativistic corrections and the
>> quantum mechanics behind the circuitry. Then there is the
>> determination of the figure of the earth, the spread spectrum
>> correlation receivers and the correlation pseudo noise codes.
>> Add to that the supersensitive electronic receivers used in the
>> ground control segment and the semiconductor technology in the
>> receiving CPUs.... It was the theorists and the physicists with
>> insatiable curiosity that came up with the breakthroughs
>> necessary for this global utility.
>>
>> Bet you don't even know what GPS is!
>
> sorry honey, but ive got two handheld GPS units myself. and i know
> about the basic theory of positioning via differences in clock signals
> allowing triangulation.


Surely you jest... I sure hope you mean trilateration!

>
> tell me, when were the physicists inventing this, hmmm? wasnt it
> quite some time ago? and isnt this discussion about "what have you
> done for me lately?"

You wouldn't be trying to get out of the discussion about Cesium
and Rubidium clocks, relativistic corrections and the quantum mechanics
behind the circuitry used in GPS, now would you?



>
> --
> dave hillstrom mhm15x4 zrbj
> "i believe that the word "fuckhead" has become so wide spread and
> nearly meaningless as to qualify as a metavariable, similar to "foo"
> and "bar". and that it should uphold the responsibilities and enjoy
> the privileges of the new office. here here!!"
> -dave hillstrom

 

jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote:
>> dave hillstrom wrote:
>
>>> ahem. as an electrical engineering student at RPI in the mid 80's, i
>>> was forced to take SEVERAL materials and semiconductor theory classes.
>>> so your point is incorrect.
>
>> But did you learn the physics (quantum mechanics) of semiconductors?
>
> Can't speak for him, but to get my BSEE I did.
>
> There were so many physics courses it would have only taken a few more
> to get a dual degree.
>
>

Very good.