Physicists don't deliver

On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 11:34:17 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal aided th'
terraists with the following claims :

> In article <pan.2008.07.03.15.20.58.982091@netscape.net>,
> §ñühw?£f <snuhwolf@netscape.net> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 20:23:19 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal aided th'
>> terraists with the following claims :
>>
>> > In article <CiXak.1613$7%6.688@edtnps82>,
>> > The Original Demon Prince of Absurdity
>> > <absurd_number_of_nicks@hell.everyposehasits.corn> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 11:03:01 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal did the
>> >> cha-cha, and screamed:
>> >> > Snuhwolf wrote:
>> >> >> On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 14:06:34 -0400, Daedalus aided th' terraists with
>> >> >> the following claims :
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > I used to admire physicists in a big way for their big ideas and
>> >> >> > fascinating concepts. These days they just seem like nutty professors
>> >> >> > and bullshit artists to me. They are the big talkers that never
>> >> >> > deliver on much. The daydreamers that don't seem to ever give you a
>> >> >> > straight answer about anything. Sure we can fold space or make a
>> >> >> > lightsaber in maybe a hundred years.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Astronomers are kind of the same way, but astronomers actually
>> >> >> > discover something new once in a while, or the claim to. Since I
>> >> >> > don't
>> >> >> > own a Hubble telescope, I don't know if that giant planet is really
>> >> >> > in
>> >> >> > the next solar system.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > We've got biochemists that are on the verge of creating single cells
>> >> >> > out of amino acids in a lab and those yokel physicists are busy
>> >> >> > building giant atom smashers under the ground to look for dark
>> >> >> > matter.
>> >> >> > And working on this:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/07/01/invisible.cloak/index.html?iref=mps
>> >> >> > tor
>> >> >> > yvi
>> >> >> > ew
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Why not do something helpful to mankind, you k00ks?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Jade
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Ahhh...but what if they create teh TIME MACHINE? Then we can go back
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> kill hitler, make sure Gore gets inaugurated etc And totally fuck up
>> >> >> the time stream so that you finnaly get to meet yourself as your own
>> >> >> father.
>> >> >> That would totally rawk!
>> >> >
>> >> > its not so exciting in practice
>> >> > there are no absolute in causality only probabilities so what you think
>> >> > of
>> >> > a time paradox
>> >> > as the past coalesces becomes just a low probability event noncausally
>> >> > selected
>> >>
>> >> And then you wind up traipsing *across* timestreams, in a "Magical Mystery
>> >> Tour" sense...Really, you need a TARDIS.
>> >
>> > a time capsule is hopelessly overengineered
>> > moving all that interior all over the universe
>> >
>> > all you really need to do is map a door to different locations
>> >
>>
>> What a beautiful mind.
>> Time isnt linear? I'd like to slow it down some times and speed it up at
>> others. Can you suggest a product that will fulfill my needs?
>
> carry an anne rice novel (speeds time)
> and an ayn rand novel (slows time)
>
I thot you were gonna say bong and extasy.
Your idears are better

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On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 14:28:09 +0000, Aratzio aided th' terraists with the
following claims :

> On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 08:21:00 -0700, in
> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, hwأf <snuhwolf@netscape.net>
> bloviated:
>
>>On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 20:23:19 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal aided th'
>>terraists with the following claims :
>>
>>> In article <CiXak.1613$7%6.688@edtnps82>,
>>> The Original Demon Prince of Absurdity
>>> <absurd_number_of_nicks@hell.everyposehasits.corn> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 11:03:01 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal did the
>>>> cha-cha, and screamed:
>>>> > Snuhwolf wrote:
>>>> >> On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 14:06:34 -0400, Daedalus aided th' terraists with
>>>> >> the following claims :
>>>> >>
>>>> >> > I used to admire physicists in a big way for their big ideas and
>>>> >> > fascinating concepts. These days they just seem like nutty professors
>>>> >> > and bullshit artists to me. They are the big talkers that never
>>>> >> > deliver on much. The daydreamers that don't seem to ever give you a
>>>> >> > straight answer about anything. Sure we can fold space or make a
>>>> >> > lightsaber in maybe a hundred years.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Astronomers are kind of the same way, but astronomers actually
>>>> >> > discover something new once in a while, or the claim to. Since I don't
>>>> >> > own a Hubble telescope, I don't know if that giant planet is really in
>>>> >> > the next solar system.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > We've got biochemists that are on the verge of creating single cells
>>>> >> > out of amino acids in a lab and those yokel physicists are busy
>>>> >> > building giant atom smashers under the ground to look for dark matter.
>>>> >> > And working on this:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/07/01/invisible.cloak/index.html?iref=mpstor
>>>> >> > yvi
>>>> >> > ew
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Why not do something helpful to mankind, you k00ks?
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Jade
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Ahhh...but what if they create teh TIME MACHINE? Then we can go back and
>>>> >> kill hitler, make sure Gore gets inaugurated etc And totally fuck up
>>>> >> the time stream so that you finnaly get to meet yourself as your own
>>>> >> father.
>>>> >> That would totally rawk!
>>>> >
>>>> > its not so exciting in practice
>>>> > there are no absolute in causality only probabilities so what you think of
>>>> > a time paradox
>>>> > as the past coalesces becomes just a low probability event noncausally
>>>> > selected
>>>>
>>>> And then you wind up traipsing *across* timestreams, in a "Magical Mystery
>>>> Tour" sense...Really, you need a TARDIS.
>>>
>>> a time capsule is hopelessly overengineered
>>> moving all that interior all over the universe
>>>
>>> all you really need to do is map a door to different locations
>>>
>>
>>What a beautiful mind.
>>Time isnt linear? I'd like to slow it down some times and speed it up at
>>others. Can you suggest a product that will fulfill my needs?
>>TIA
>
> I just want a teleport button.

Dude!111!!! Staples has that...it only teleports office supplies though

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On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 06:53:30 +0000, Cardinal Snarky of the Fannish
Inquisition aided th' terraists with the following claims :

> On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 08:17:26 -0700, hwأf sat in thee Comfee
> Chaire, and didst finally confess, after taking Muche Tea:
>> On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 15:49:13 +0000, Demon Lord Henry Schmidt of Confusion
>> aided th' terraists with the following claims :
>>> On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 08:01:19 -0700, hwأf attempted to confuse
>>> the issue further by squeaking:
>>>> On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 03:32:08 +0000, The God of Odd Statements, Henry
>>>> Schmidt aided th' terraists with the following claims :
>>>>> On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:22:57 -0400, mixed nuts did most oddly state:
>>>>>> Daedalus wrote:
>>>>>>> I used to admire physicists in a big way for their big ideas and
>>>>>>> fascinating concepts. These days they just seem like nutty
>>>>>>> professors and bullshit artists to me. They are the big talkers that
>>>>>>> never deliver on much. The daydreamers that don't seem to ever give
>>>>>>> you a straight answer about anything. Sure we can fold space or make
>>>>>>> a lightsaber in maybe a hundred years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Astronomers are kind of the same way, but astronomers actually
>>>>>>> discover something new once in a while, or the claim to. Since I
>>>>>>> don't own a Hubble telescope, I don't know if that giant planet is
>>>>>>> really in the next solar system.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We've got biochemists that are on the verge of creating single cells
>>>>>>> out of amino acids in a lab and those yokel physicists are busy
>>>>>>> building giant atom smashers under the ground to look for dark
>>>>>>> matter. And working on this:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/07/01/invisible.cloak/index.html?iref=mpstoryview
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why not do something helpful to mankind, you k00ks?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Torll.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're just sticking up for those k00ky physicists.
>>>>
>>>> I bet he's working onna TIME MACHINE
>>>>
>>>> I want to go back and see Jebus!
>>>
>>> You'd just wind up having to become him.
>>
>> I'm not much of a carpenter...
>
> Ask Karl Glogauer about that.

Ok, but only if I can become black too...untill the cops come of course.

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On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 14:28:09 +0000, Aratzio aided th' terraists with the
following claims :

> On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 08:17:26 -0700, in
> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, hwأf <snuhwolf@netscape.net>
> bloviated:
>
>>On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 15:49:13 +0000, Demon Lord Henry Schmidt of Confusion
>>aided th' terraists with the following claims :
>>
>>> On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 08:01:19 -0700, hwأf attempted to confuse the
>>> issue further by squeaking:
>>>> On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 03:32:08 +0000, The God of Odd Statements, Henry
>>>> Schmidt aided th' terraists with the following claims :
>>>>> On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:22:57 -0400, mixed nuts did most oddly state:
>>>>>> Daedalus wrote:
>>>>>>> I used to admire physicists in a big way for their big ideas and
>>>>>>> fascinating concepts. These days they just seem like nutty professors
>>>>>>> and bullshit artists to me. They are the big talkers that never
>>>>>>> deliver on much. The daydreamers that don't seem to ever give you a
>>>>>>> straight answer about anything. Sure we can fold space or make a
>>>>>>> lightsaber in maybe a hundred years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Astronomers are kind of the same way, but astronomers actually
>>>>>>> discover something new once in a while, or the claim to. Since I don't
>>>>>>> own a Hubble telescope, I don't know if that giant planet is really in
>>>>>>> the next solar system.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We've got biochemists that are on the verge of creating single cells
>>>>>>> out of amino acids in a lab and those yokel physicists are busy
>>>>>>> building giant atom smashers under the ground to look for dark matter.
>>>>>>> And working on this:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/07/01/invisible.cloak/index.html?iref=mpstoryview
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why not do something helpful to mankind, you k00ks?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Torll.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're just sticking up for those k00ky physicists.
>>>>
>>>> I bet he's working onna TIME MACHINE
>>>>
>>>> I want to go back and see Jebus!
>>>
>>> You'd just wind up having to become him.
>>
>>I'm not much of a carpenter...
>
> Wasn't he more a cabinet maker kinda guy?

I thot he was the First Hydrologist...

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On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 14:28:09 +0000, Aratzio aided th' terraists with the
following claims :

> On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 08:16:17 -0700, in
> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, hwأf <snuhwolf@netscape.net>
> bloviated:
>
>>On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 15:48:04 +0000, Demon Lord Henry Schmidt of Confusion
>>aided th' terraists with the following claims :
>>
>>> On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 08:04:23 -0700, hwأf attempted to confuse the
>>> issue further by squeaking:
>>>> On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 11:34:21 +0000, The God of Odd Statements, Henry
>>>> Schmidt aided th' terraists with the following claims :
>>>>> On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 05:26:02 +0000, Sam Wormley did most oddly state:
>>>>>> ave Maelstrom's wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> dave hillstrom mhm15x4 zrbj
>>>>>>> "i believe that the word "fuckhead" has become so wide spread and
>>>>>>> nearly meaningless as to qualify as a metavariable, similar to "foo"
>>>>>>> and "bar".
>>>>>>> and that it should uphold the responsibilities and enjoy the
>>>>>>> privileges
>>>>>>> of the new office. here here!!"
>>>>>>> -dave hillstrom
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey Dave--Let's talk Global Positioning System, specifically Cesium
>>>>>> and Rubidium clocks, relativistic corrections and the quantum
>>>>>> mechanics behind the circuitry. Then there is the determination of
>>>>>> the figure of the earth, the spread spectrum correlation receivers
>>>>>> and the correlation pseudo noise codes. Add to that the
>>>>>> supersensitive electronic receivers used in the ground control
>>>>>> segment and the semiconductor technology in the receiving CPUs....
>>>>>> It was the theorists and the physicists with insatiable curiosity
>>>>>> that came up with the breakthroughs necessary for this global
>>>>>> utility.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bet you don't even know what GPS is!
>>>>>
>>>>> Why are you replying to Daev's .sig?
>>>>
>>>> Because Daev sig is SEXY, duh.
>>>>
>>>> BTW, it was the concept of triangulation what made possible the theory
>>>> that yu could looks at the timestamps of differents signals comming from
>>>> the sAtTelitEs that they soem tiems use to beem thots into our heds when
>>>> they are not using them to spy onus with our cellfonez. FYI
>>>> HTH
>>>> HAND
>>>
>>> So, math again.
>>
>>GPS STANDS FOR 'GENERAL PERSONAL SCRUTINY'!!!!11111!!!!!!!
>>
>>
>
> What are you? A Tom Cruise wanna be?

The scientologistses kicked me out because I woulna take off me tinfoil
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Cardinal Snarky of the Fannish Inquisition <inquisition@smof.org> wrote:
>On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 21:37:50 -0600, Art Deco sat in thee Comfee Chaire,
>and didst finally confess, after taking Muche Tea:
>> The Original Demon Prince of Absurdity wrote:
>>>On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 15:38:54 -0400, dave hillstrom did the cha-cha, and
>>>screamed:
>>>> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 10:32:02 -0700 (PDT), Eric Gisse wrote:
>>>>>On Jul 1, 6:45?pm, dave hillstrom wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 14:32:27 -0700 (PDT), Eric Gisse wrote:
>>>>>> >On Jul 1, 10:06?am, Daedalus wrote:
>>>>>> >> I used to admire physicists in a big way for their big ideas and
>>>>>> >> fascinating concepts. These days they just seem like nutty
>>>>>> >> professors and bullshit artists to me. They are the big talkers
>>>>>> >> that never deliver on much. The daydreamers that don't seem to
>>>>>> >> ever give you a straight answer about anything. Sure we can fold
>>>>>> >> space or make a lightsaber in maybe a hundred years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> Astronomers are kind of the same way, but astronomers actually
>>>>>> >> discover something new once in a while, or the claim to. Since I
>>>>>> >> don't own a Hubble telescope, I don't know if that giant planet is
>>>>>> >> really in the next solar system.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> We've got biochemists that are on the verge of creating single
>>>>>> >> cells out of amino acids in a lab and those yokel physicists are
>>>>>> >> busy building giant atom smashers under the ground to look for
>>>>>> >> dark matter. And working on this:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/07/01/invisible.cloak/index.html?iref=mp.
>>>>>> >>..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> Why not do something helpful to mankind, you k00ks?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> Jade
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >Next time you need nuclear imaging, keep physicists in mind.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and thats it, folks. ?the full list of physicists accomplishments
>>>>>> during the last 30 years.
>>>>>
>>>>>What, that isn't good enough?
>>>>
>>>> not compared to the vast quantities of innovations made by engineers
>>>> and inventors during the same time span. so, no, its not good enough.
>>>>
>>>> not to mention that its engineers and software geeks that have made the
>>>> big steps in nuclear imaging since the first little tidbit from the
>>>> physicists.
>>>
>>>Damnitall, WHERE'S THAT FTL/HYPERSPACE DRIVE?!? Or the wormhole-opener.
>>
>> alt.astronomy is --> that way.
>
>No, I meant a working one.

Oh. Well then. That is Different.

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On Jul 1, 1:06 pm, Daedalus <j...@newtko0ouks.biz> wrote:
> I used to admire physicists in a big way for their big ideas and
> fascinating concepts. These days they just seem like nutty professors
> and bullshit artists to me. They are the big talkers that never
> deliver on much. The daydreamers that don't seem to ever give you a
> straight answer about anything. Sure we can fold space or make a
> lightsaber in maybe a hundred years.

[...]

> Why not do something helpful to mankind, you k00ks?

In the past decade or so computers have gone from 25 MHz to a few GHz,
hard drive capacity has gone from dozens of MB to hundreds of GB, Zip
drives fell by the wayside while gigabyte flash drives became
available, and flash memory might replace the hard drive altogether
(Apple Computer offers the option of a flash drive in lieu of a hard
drive today). Affordable recordable DVDs tower over recordable CDs
while affordable recordable BlueRay can't be far behind. Lasers were
hundred dollar HeNe tubes and are now $10 keychains with beams
available in a variety of colors. High-efficiency LEDs are now bright
enough and white enough to be used in flashlights and other light
sources, and LED traffic lights are saving cities a good amount of
money in both energy costs and the cost to replace burned out bulbs.
Digital cameras have gone north of 10 megapixels, you can carry a GPS
receiver in your pocket, and you can take pictures and read e-mail
with your cell phone. Superconductors that operate at liquid nitrogen
temperatures rather than liquid helium temperatures are now cheap
enough to make and operate that they've been used for power
transmission. Solar cells have increased in conversion efficiency many-
fold. Police have smaller and more capable devices that they can take
into the field to examine trace evidence. Cheap and portable sensors
are being developed that can detect nuclear materials, poisonous
gases, explosives, and food spoilage. Nanoparticles are being
developed to deliver drugs in unique ways. Proton beams are replacing
x-rays for burning tumors, and production cyclotrons are increasing in
capacity to supply radiopharmaceuticals. New tools like neutron
interferometry and wet neutron and x-ray diffraction are already
improving the ability to study materials and biological molecules.

Who do you think has been doing all of that? Lots of people, of
course, but physicists, too.

New types of electronic and computing devices are being researched,
some of which may become the technologies of tomorrow. Optical
computing, non-silicon semiconductors, "memristors" that might
increase computer memory density a hundred-fold. It's easy to sneer at
some individual project like carbon nanotube circuits or quantum
computing, but a lot of different ideas are being explored and some of
it will be developed in the next decade.

Why do people think that the only things physicists do are smash
particles and look for dark matter? Relativity and quantum weirdness
are the only things that Usenet kooks seem to want to talk about. But
in terms of dollars spent and warm bodies working, there's a lot more
going on under the general subject heading of "condensed matter
physics".

 

On Jul 1, 2:06?pm, Daedalus <j...@newtko0ouks.biz> wrote:
> I used to admire physicists in a big way for their big ideas and
> fascinating concepts. These days they just seem like nutty professors
> and bullshit artists to me. They are the big talkers that never
> deliver on much. The daydreamers that don't seem to ever give you a
> straight answer about anything. Sure we can fold space or make a
> lightsaber in maybe a hundred years.
>
> Astronomers are kind of the same way, but astronomers actually
> discover something new once in a while, or the claim to. Since I don't
> own a Hubble telescope, I don't know if that giant planet is really in
> the next solar system.
>
> We've got biochemists that are on the verge of creating single cells
> out of amino acids in a lab and those yokel physicists are busy
> building giant atom smashers under the ground to look for dark matter.
> And working on this:
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/07/01/invisible.cloak/index.html?iref=mp....
>
> Why not do something helpful to mankind, you k00ks?
>
> Jade

Dear Jade:

One can be a scientist without having taken a course in science. The
main requirements are: Intelligence; insatiable curiosity; patience;
keen powers of observation; and determination. The manifestations of
physics, in particular, are all around us. One need not have read a
text to know about simple machines, thermodynamics; optical effects,
magnetism, and simple electricity. The ?original? scientists started
from scratch. So too can those who have the five qualities, above.

Too many tend to credit physics (and physicists) with invention.
Actually, nothing could be further from the truth! A person cannot
?patent? a law of nature. Pragmatic engineers can find solutions of
tremendous importance simply by using common sense. Ever since ?space-
time?, physicists have been lacking in common sense. Unfortunately
for the general public, and the taxpayers, physicists have managed to
?snow? agencies like the NSF. They can get big government grants
merely by ?seeking? answers. Where is the pragmatism in supposed?
science?

Thomas Edison wasn?t concerned with the ?whys?. His major
contribution was: To keep using ?trial and error? till practical
solutions are found. Testing one thing after another is a far better
teacher than any text can be!

The shame of physics is that 17 mile diameter particle accelerator in
Europe that is about to come on line. What practical objectives does
it have? Confirming whether or not the Universe is open or closed
won?t cut-it as a practical goal. If a hundred supposedly new
particles are found, who gives a rip? Research should be useful to
everyday people, at least eventually, or the research shouldn?t be
done.

The status quo has a lock on academia. Somehow, educators and
politicians have managed to convince the public that their? Johnny or
Joannie will be better off by being run through the education mills.
For 3/4ths of those, education is counter productive. Instead of
throwing money, and lives, at education, start funding startup
companies. Fund pragmatic, even trial and error, research in things
like safe fusion power. Global warming is a solvable problem, if we
will TRY things, rather than forming committees and expecting
government to take the lead.

Yes, I?m an iconoclast. Following one of those has more promise of
solving the world?s problems than following the crowd. The issue is:
?Talk? or Action?. In most cases, the latter is far more productive.
? NoEinstein ?

 

Ya know, I've never gotten pizza or Chinese food from a physicist.

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The Black Goat With A Thousand Young wrote:
> Ya know, I've never gotten pizza or Chinese food from a physicist.

You might have and just don't know it.
I don't think the kid would say..
Here is your pizza, and
Did you know I am a physicist?


--
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Spaceman

 

On Jul 2, 10:38?pm, dave hillstrom <D...@MeOw.OrG> wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 10:32:02 -0700 (PDT), Eric Gisse
>
> >> >> the next solar system.
>
> >> >> We've got biochemists that are on the verge of creating single cells
> >> >> out of amino acids in a lab and those yokel physicists are busy
> >> >> building giant atom smashers under the ground to look for dark matter.
> >> >> And working on this:
>
> >> >>http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/07/01/invisible.cloak/index.html?iref=mp...
>
> >> >> Why not do something helpful to mankind, you k00ks?
>
> >> >> Jade
>
> >> >Next time you need nuclear imaging, keep physicists in mind.
>
> >> and thats it, folks. ?the full list of physicists accomplishments
> >> during the last 30 years.
>
> >What, that isn't good enough?
>
> not compared to the vast quantities of innovations made by engineers
> and inventors during the same time span. ?so, no, its not good enough.
>
> not to mention that its engineers and software geeks that have made
> the big steps in nuclear imaging since the first little tidbit from
> the physicists.
>
> --
> dave hillstrom ? ?mhm15x4 ? ?zrbj
> "i believe that the word "fuckhead" has become so wide spread and
> nearly meaningless as to qualify as a metavariable, similar to "foo"
> and "bar". ?and that it should uphold the responsibilities and enjoy
> the privileges of the new office. ?here here!!"
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?-dave hillstrom

-----------------
Well said !!!

Y.Porat
--------------------------------------

 

On Jul 5, 1:32?am, NoEinstein <noeinst...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> On Jul 1, 2:06?pm, Daedalus <j...@newtko0ouks.biz> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I used to admire physicists in a big way for their big ideas and
> > fascinating concepts. These days they just seem like nutty professors
> > and bullshit artists to me. They are the big talkers that never
> > deliver on much. The daydreamers that don't seem to ever give you a
> > straight answer about anything. Sure we can fold space or make a
> > lightsaber in maybe a hundred years.
>
> > Astronomers are kind of the same way, but astronomers actually
> > discover something new once in a while, or the claim to. Since I don't
> > own a Hubble telescope, I don't know if that giant planet is really in
> > the next solar system.
>
> > We've got biochemists that are on the verge of creating single cells
> > out of amino acids in a lab and those yokel physicists are busy
> > building giant atom smashers under the ground to look for dark matter.
> > And working on this:
>
> >http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/07/01/invisible.cloak/index.html?iref=mp....
>
> > Why not do something helpful to mankind, you k00ks?
>
> > Jade
>
> Dear Jade:
>
> One can be a scientist without having taken a course in science. ?The
> main requirements are: Intelligence; insatiable curiosity; patience;
> keen powers of observation; and determination. ?The manifestations of
> physics, in particular, are all around us. ?One need not have read a
> text to know about simple machines, thermodynamics; optical effects,
> magnetism, and simple electricity. ?The ?original? scientists started
> from scratch. ?So too can those who have the five qualities, above.
>
> Too many tend to credit physics (and physicists) with invention.
> Actually, nothing could be further from the truth! ?A person cannot
> ?patent? a law of nature. ?Pragmatic engineers can find solutions of
> tremendous importance simply by using common sense. ?Ever since ?space-
> time?, physicists have been lacking in common sense. ?Unfortunately
> for the general public, and the taxpayers, physicists have managed to
> ?snow? agencies like the NSF. ?They can get big government grants
> merely by ?seeking? answers. ?Where is the pragmatism in supposed?
> science?
>
> Thomas Edison wasn?t concerned with the ?whys?. ?His major
> contribution was: To keep using ?trial and error? till practical
> solutions are found. ?Testing one thing after another is a far better
> teacher than any text can be!
>
> The shame of physics is that 17 mile diameter particle accelerator in
> Europe that is about to come on line. ?What practical objectives does
> it have? ?Confirming whether or not the Universe is open or closed
> won?t cut-it as a practical goal. ?If a hundred supposedly new
> particles are found, who gives a rip? ?Research should be useful to
> everyday people, at least eventually, or the research shouldn?t be
> done.
>
> The status quo has a lock on academia. ?Somehow, educators and
> politicians have managed to convince the public that their? Johnny or
> Joannie will be better off by being run through the education mills.
> For 3/4ths of those, education is counter productive. ?Instead of
> throwing money, and lives, at education, start funding startup
> companies. ?Fund pragmatic, even trial and error, research in things
> like safe fusion power. ?Global warming is a solvable problem, if we
> will TRY things, rather than forming committees and expecting
> government to take the lead.
>
> Yes, I?m an iconoclast. ?Following one of those has more promise of
> solving the world?s problems than following the crowd. ?The issue is:
> ?Talk? or Action?. ?In most cases, the latter is far more productive.
> ? NoEinstein ?

-----------------
Well said!!!

Y.Porat
-----------------------------------

 

On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 08:33:11 -0700, hwأf wrote:

> On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 14:28:09 +0000, Aratzio aided th' terraists with the
> following claims :
>
>> On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 08:16:17 -0700, in
>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, hwأf <snuhwolf@netscape.net>
>> bloviated:
>>
>>>On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 15:48:04 +0000, Demon Lord Henry Schmidt of
>>>Confusion aided th' terraists with the following claims :
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 08:04:23 -0700, hwأf attempted to confuse the
>>>> issue further by squeaking:
>>>>> On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 11:34:21 +0000, The God of Odd Statements, Henry
>>>>> Schmidt aided th' terraists with the following claims :
>>>>>> On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 05:26:02 +0000, Sam Wormley did most oddly
>>>>>> state:
>>>>>>> ave Maelstrom's wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> dave hillstrom mhm15x4 zrbj
>>>>>>>> "i believe that the word "fuckhead" has become so wide spread and
>>>>>>>> nearly meaningless as to qualify as a metavariable, similar to
>>>>>>>> "foo" and "bar".
>>>>>>>> and that it should uphold the responsibilities and enjoy the
>>>>>>>> privileges
>>>>>>>> of the new office. here here!!"
>>>>>>>> -dave hillstrom
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey Dave--Let's talk Global Positioning System, specifically
>>>>>>> Cesium and Rubidium clocks, relativistic corrections and the
>>>>>>> quantum mechanics behind the circuitry. Then there is the
>>>>>>> determination of the figure of the earth, the spread spectrum
>>>>>>> correlation receivers and the correlation pseudo noise codes.
>>>>>>> Add to that the supersensitive electronic receivers used in the
>>>>>>> ground control segment and the semiconductor technology in the
>>>>>>> receiving CPUs.... It was the theorists and the physicists with
>>>>>>> insatiable curiosity that came up with the breakthroughs
>>>>>>> necessary for this global utility.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bet you don't even know what GPS is!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why are you replying to Daev's .sig?
>>>>>
>>>>> Because Daev sig is SEXY, duh.
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW, it was the concept of triangulation what made possible the
>>>>> theory that yu could looks at the timestamps of differents signals
>>>>> comming from the sAtTelitEs that they soem tiems use to beem thots
>>>>> into our heds when they are not using them to spy onus with our
>>>>> cellfonez. FYI HTH
>>>>> HAND
>>>>
>>>> So, math again.
>>>
>>>GPS STANDS FOR 'GENERAL PERSONAL SCRUTINY'!!!!11111!!!!!!!
>>>
>>>
>>
>> What are you? A Tom Cruise wanna be?
>
> The scientologistses kicked me out because I woulna take off me tinfoil
> hat!

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On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 21:17:16 -0400, Spaceman fixed me with a beady eye,
and foamed wildly:
> The Black Goat With A Thousand Young wrote:
>> Ya know, I've never gotten pizza or Chinese food from a physicist.
>
> You might have and just don't know it. I don't think the kid would say..
> Here is your pizza, and
> Did you know I am a physicist?
>

<envisions Russell Waters as a physicist> Gods, no.

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On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 03:32:52 GMT, in the land of
alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, Yogi Mothball
<someother@email.com> got double secret probation for writing:

>On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 08:33:11 -0700, ???hw?f wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 14:28:09 +0000, Aratzio aided th' terraists with the
>> following claims :
>>
>>> On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 08:16:17 -0700, in
>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, ???hw?f <snuhwolf@netscape.net>
>>> bloviated:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 15:48:04 +0000, Demon Lord Henry Schmidt of
>>>>Confusion aided th' terraists with the following claims :
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 08:04:23 -0700, ???hw?f attempted to confuse the
>>>>> issue further by squeaking:
>>>>>> On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 11:34:21 +0000, The God of Odd Statements, Henry
>>>>>> Schmidt aided th' terraists with the following claims :
>>>>>>> On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 05:26:02 +0000, Sam Wormley did most oddly
>>>>>>> state:
>>>>>>>> ave Maelstrom's wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> dave hillstrom mhm15x4 zrbj
>>>>>>>>> "i believe that the word "fuckhead" has become so wide spread and
>>>>>>>>> nearly meaningless as to qualify as a metavariable, similar to
>>>>>>>>> "foo" and "bar".
>>>>>>>>> and that it should uphold the responsibilities and enjoy the
>>>>>>>>> privileges
>>>>>>>>> of the new office. here here!!"
>>>>>>>>> -dave hillstrom
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hey Dave--Let's talk Global Positioning System, specifically
>>>>>>>> Cesium and Rubidium clocks, relativistic corrections and the
>>>>>>>> quantum mechanics behind the circuitry. Then there is the
>>>>>>>> determination of the figure of the earth, the spread spectrum
>>>>>>>> correlation receivers and the correlation pseudo noise codes.
>>>>>>>> Add to that the supersensitive electronic receivers used in the
>>>>>>>> ground control segment and the semiconductor technology in the
>>>>>>>> receiving CPUs.... It was the theorists and the physicists with
>>>>>>>> insatiable curiosity that came up with the breakthroughs
>>>>>>>> necessary for this global utility.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bet you don't even know what GPS is!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why are you replying to Daev's .sig?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Because Daev sig is SEXY, duh.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW, it was the concept of triangulation what made possible the
>>>>>> theory that yu could looks at the timestamps of differents signals
>>>>>> comming from the sAtTelitEs that they soem tiems use to beem thots
>>>>>> into our heds when they are not using them to spy onus with our
>>>>>> cellfonez. FYI HTH
>>>>>> HAND
>>>>>
>>>>> So, math again.
>>>>
>>>>GPS STANDS FOR 'GENERAL PERSONAL SCRUTINY'!!!!11111!!!!!!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> What are you? A Tom Cruise wanna be?
>>
>> The scientologistses kicked me out because I woulna take off me tinfoil
>> hat!
>
>I *told* you I can't cut hair very good. Once I determined each
>follicles speed I was unable to determine their precise location!

Explains the bald part.


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On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 21:53:11 -0700, Aratzio aided th' terraists with the
following claims :

> On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 03:32:52 GMT, in the land of
> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, Yogi Mothball
> <someother@email.com> got double secret probation for writing:
>
>>On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 08:33:11 -0700, hwأf wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 14:28:09 +0000, Aratzio aided th' terraists with the
>>> following claims :
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 08:16:17 -0700, in
>>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, hwأf <snuhwolf@netscape.net>
>>>> bloviated:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 15:48:04 +0000, Demon Lord Henry Schmidt of
>>>>>Confusion aided th' terraists with the following claims :
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 08:04:23 -0700, hwأf attempted to confuse the
>>>>>> issue further by squeaking:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 11:34:21 +0000, The God of Odd Statements, Henry
>>>>>>> Schmidt aided th' terraists with the following claims :
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 05:26:02 +0000, Sam Wormley did most oddly
>>>>>>>> state:
>>>>>>>>> ave Maelstrom's wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> dave hillstrom mhm15x4 zrbj
>>>>>>>>>> "i believe that the word "fuckhead" has become so wide spread and
>>>>>>>>>> nearly meaningless as to qualify as a metavariable, similar to
>>>>>>>>>> "foo" and "bar".
>>>>>>>>>> and that it should uphold the responsibilities and enjoy the
>>>>>>>>>> privileges
>>>>>>>>>> of the new office. here here!!"
>>>>>>>>>> -dave hillstrom
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hey Dave--Let's talk Global Positioning System, specifically
>>>>>>>>> Cesium and Rubidium clocks, relativistic corrections and the
>>>>>>>>> quantum mechanics behind the circuitry. Then there is the
>>>>>>>>> determination of the figure of the earth, the spread spectrum
>>>>>>>>> correlation receivers and the correlation pseudo noise codes.
>>>>>>>>> Add to that the supersensitive electronic receivers used in the
>>>>>>>>> ground control segment and the semiconductor technology in the
>>>>>>>>> receiving CPUs.... It was the theorists and the physicists with
>>>>>>>>> insatiable curiosity that came up with the breakthroughs
>>>>>>>>> necessary for this global utility.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bet you don't even know what GPS is!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why are you replying to Daev's .sig?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Because Daev sig is SEXY, duh.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BTW, it was the concept of triangulation what made possible the
>>>>>>> theory that yu could looks at the timestamps of differents signals
>>>>>>> comming from the sAtTelitEs that they soem tiems use to beem thots
>>>>>>> into our heds when they are not using them to spy onus with our
>>>>>>> cellfonez. FYI HTH
>>>>>>> HAND
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, math again.
>>>>>
>>>>>GPS STANDS FOR 'GENERAL PERSONAL SCRUTINY'!!!!11111!!!!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What are you? A Tom Cruise wanna be?
>>>
>>> The scientologistses kicked me out because I woulna take off me tinfoil
>>> hat!
>>
>>I *told* you I can't cut hair very good. Once I determined each
>>follicles speed I was unable to determine their precise location!
>
> Explains the bald part.

The follicular-quantum entanglement states that if you cut one then the
others are cut.

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On Jul 4, 11:27?pm, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 5, 1:32?am, NoEinstein <noeinst...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 1, 2:06?pm, Daedalus <j...@newtko0ouks.biz> wrote:
>
> > > I used to admire physicists in a big way for their big ideas and
> > > fascinating concepts. These days they just seem like nutty professors
> > > and bullshit artists to me. They are the big talkers that never
> > > deliver on much. The daydreamers that don't seem to ever give you a
> > > straight answer about anything. Sure we can fold space or make a
> > > lightsaber in maybe a hundred years.
>
> > > Astronomers are kind of the same way, but astronomers actually
> > > discover something new once in a while, or the claim to. Since I don't
> > > own a Hubble telescope, I don't know if that giant planet is really in
> > > the next solar system.
>
> > > We've got biochemists that are on the verge of creating single cells
> > > out of amino acids in a lab and those yokel physicists are busy
> > > building giant atom smashers under the ground to look for dark matter..
> > > And working on this:
>
> > >http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/07/01/invisible.cloak/index.html?iref=mp...
>
> > > Why not do something helpful to mankind, you k00ks?
>
> > > Jade
>
> > Dear Jade:
>
> > One can be a scientist without having taken a course in science. ?The
> > main requirements are: Intelligence; insatiable curiosity; patience;
> > keen powers of observation; and determination. ?The manifestations of
> > physics, in particular, are all around us. ?One need not have read a
> > text to know about simple machines, thermodynamics; optical effects,
> > magnetism, and simple electricity. ?The ?original? scientists started
> > from scratch. ?So too can those who have the five qualities, above.
>
> > Too many tend to credit physics (and physicists) with invention.
> > Actually, nothing could be further from the truth! ?A person cannot
> > ?patent? a law of nature. ?Pragmatic engineers can find solutions of
> > tremendous importance simply by using common sense. ?Ever since ?space-
> > time?, physicists have been lacking in common sense. ?Unfortunately
> > for the general public, and the taxpayers, physicists have managed to
> > ?snow? agencies like the NSF. ?They can get big government grants
> > merely by ?seeking? answers. ?Where is the pragmatism in supposed?
> > science?
>
> > Thomas Edison wasn?t concerned with the ?whys?. ?His major
> > contribution was: To keep using ?trial and error? till practical
> > solutions are found. ?Testing one thing after another is a far better
> > teacher than any text can be!
>
> > The shame of physics is that 17 mile diameter particle accelerator in
> > Europe that is about to come on line. ?What practical objectives does
> > it have? ?Confirming whether or not the Universe is open or closed
> > won?t cut-it as a practical goal. ?If a hundred supposedly new
> > particles are found, who gives a rip? ?Research should be useful to
> > everyday people, at least eventually, or the research shouldn?t be
> > done.
>
> > The status quo has a lock on academia. ?Somehow, educators and
> > politicians have managed to convince the public that their? Johnny or
> > Joannie will be better off by being run through the education mills.
> > For 3/4ths of those, education is counter productive. ?Instead of
> > throwing money, and lives, at education, start funding startup
> > companies. ?Fund pragmatic, even trial and error, research in things
> > like safe fusion power. ?Global warming is a solvable problem, if we
> > will TRY things, rather than forming committees and expecting
> > government to take the lead.
>
> > Yes, I?m an iconoclast. ?Following one of those has more promise of
> > solving the world?s problems than following the crowd. ?The issue is:
> > ?Talk? or Action?. ?In most cases, the latter is far more productive.
> > ? NoEinstein ?
>
> -----------------
> Well said!!!
>
> Y.Porat
> ------------------------------------ Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

The purpose of physics is not to solve the world's problems. That's
engineering.

When Faraday had discovered some of the laws of electricity, he was
asked, "What is it good for?"
His answer: "What is a baby for?"

The purpose of physics is to discover how the world works.

Sometimes a person can be both, but the roles are distinctly
different.

Uncle Ben
Physicist and Engineer

 

On Jul 4, 5:32?pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>
> Dear Jade:
>
> One can be a scientist without having taken a course in science. ?The
> main requirements are: Intelligence; insatiable curiosity; patience;
> keen powers of observation; and determination.

This is not enough. It is enough to be an interested hobbyist or to be
a bit of a philosopher. But to be a scientist also demands
participation in the methodology scientists use to determine truth --
the "scientific method". If you do not practice the scientific method,
then you are not a scientist, despite any pretensions you may hold.

>?The manifestations of
> physics, in particular, are all around us. ?One need not have read a
> text to know about simple machines, thermodynamics; optical effects,
> magnetism, and simple electricity. ?

Yes, I agree with this. It is possible to learn a lot about these
things. It is also possible to fool yourself.

> The ?original? scientists started
> from scratch.

To my knowledge, this has *never* happened. If you know of a scientist
that started from scratch, I invite you to name just one. Then we'll
look at the historical state of science in the period where that named
person lived.

>?So too can those who have the five qualities, above.
>
> Too many tend to credit physics (and physicists) with invention.

Least of all physicists. Physicists do not claim to INVENT laws of
physics, they DISCOVER them. They are explorers. Columbus didn't
invent the New World, he landed on it. Physicists didn't invent
relativity and quantum mechanics, they landed on them.

I don't care what comic book version of scientific history you've
read, but no scientist claims to have invented any law of physics.

> Actually, nothing could be further from the truth! ?A person cannot
> ?patent? a law of nature. ?Pragmatic engineers can find solutions of
> tremendous importance simply by using common sense. ?Ever since ?space-
> time?, physicists have been lacking in common sense.

Not lacking common sense. Questioning common sense, especially when
measurements seem to defy common sense. Common sense, it turns out, is
a liar and a cheat.

>?Unfortunately
> for the general public, and the taxpayers, physicists have managed to
> ?snow? agencies like the NSF. ?They can get big government grants
> merely by ?seeking? answers. ?Where is the pragmatism in supposed?
> science?

You could have questioned the pragmatism of quantum mechanics in the
1930's when it was being pursued. Now your contribution to this
newsgroup would not have happened by today without our familiarity and
practical usage of quantum mechanics.

>
> Thomas Edison wasn?t concerned with the ?whys?. ?His major
> contribution was: To keep using ?trial and error? till practical
> solutions are found.

Actually, you'll find that he used physical principles a whole lot
more than trial and error. It would be good if you learned a bit more
about the histories of those people you admire. If you are using trial
and error as your investigative method, thinking that if it was good
enough for Thomas Edison then it is good enough for you, then you do
not know enough about how Edison (and his whole team, by the way)
worked.

>?Testing one thing after another is a far better
> teacher than any text can be!
>
> The shame of physics is that 17 mile diameter particle accelerator in
> Europe that is about to come on line. ?What practical objectives does
> it have?

The control of the electromagnetic interaction completely dominates
our technology today, that control being responsible for 90% or more
of our technology base. At the time that the laws of the
electromagnetic interaction were being uncovered, there was no insight
at all into the long-term impact of that work. The strong interaction,
which we're just now coming to understand thanks to facilities like
the LHC, is fundamentally more powerful than the electromagnetic
interaction by a factor of a million. And yet you see no potential for
how the control of that interaction might yield practical usefulness
in the future? Or are you bound by a child's need for immediate
gratification?

>?Confirming whether or not the Universe is open or closed
> won?t cut-it as a practical goal. ?If a hundred supposedly new
> particles are found, who gives a rip? ?Research should be useful to
> everyday people, at least eventually, or the research shouldn?t be
> done.
>
> The status quo has a lock on academia. ?Somehow, educators and
> politicians have managed to convince the public that their? Johnny or
> Joannie will be better off by being run through the education mills.

This is a practical assessment. It's not to say that people that
haven't been through the education mills cannot make significant
contributions. But it is a practical and unassailable fact that this
happens rarely at best, and that the attempted contributions from
those who have not been through the education mills usually turn out
to be half-baked or sloppily done or based on superstitious nonsense
and religious faith.

> For 3/4ths of those, education is counter productive.

I'd like to see evidence, not opinion, that running through education
mills is counter-productive. What do you have?

>?Instead of
> throwing money, and lives, at education, start funding startup
> companies.

This is done all the time. Graduate students leave and form companies
all the time, and they are quite often successful. And they quite
often even get government support as private companies (see SBIR
grants, for example).

You are certainly free to try that route as an option, rather than
tilting your lance at university dragons.

>?Fund pragmatic, even trial and error, research in things
> like safe fusion power. ?Global warming is a solvable problem, if we
> will TRY things, rather than forming committees and expecting
> government to take the lead.

I absolutely agree with that. However, getting companies to invest in
technology that will not pay off in profits in the next 12-18 months
is problematic, as this is not in the best interests of their
stockholders or investors. This is the reason why government
sponsorship of fundamental research is done in the first place -- to
protect and promote fundamental research that may need more than 12-18
months to pay off when private industry will not fund it.

>
> Yes, I?m an iconoclast. ?Following one of those has more promise of
> solving the world?s problems than following the crowd. ?The issue is:
> ?Talk? or Action?. ?In most cases, the latter is far more productive.
> ? NoEinstein ?

 

On Jul 5, 7:55?am, ???hw?f <snuhw...@netscape.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 21:53:11 -0700, Aratzio aided th' terraists with the
> following claims :
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 03:32:52 GMT, in the land of
> > alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, Yogi Mothball
> > <someot...@email.com> got double secret probation for writing:
>
> >>On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 08:33:11 -0700, ???hw?f wrote:
>
> >>> On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 14:28:09 +0000, Aratzio aided th' terraists with the
> >>> following claims :
>
> >>>> On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 08:16:17 -0700, in
> >>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, ???hw?f <snuhw...@netscape.net>
> >>>> bloviated:
>
> >>>>>On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 15:48:04 +0000, Demon Lord Henry Schmidt of
> >>>>>Confusion aided th' terraists with the following claims :
>
> >>>>>> On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 08:04:23 -0700, ???hw?f attempted to confuse the
> >>>>>> issue further by squeaking:
> >>>>>>> On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 11:34:21 +0000, The God of Odd Statements, Henry
> >>>>>>> Schmidt aided th' terraists with the following claims :
> >>>>>>>> On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 05:26:02 +0000, Sam Wormley did most oddly
> >>>>>>>> state:
> >>>>>>>>> ave Maelstrom's wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>> dave hillstrom ? ?mhm15x4 ? ?zrbj
> >>>>>>>>>> "i believe that the word "fuckhead" has become so wide spread and
> >>>>>>>>>> nearly meaningless as to qualify as a metavariable, similar to
> >>>>>>>>>> "foo" and "bar".
> >>>>>>>>>> ?and that it should uphold the responsibilities and enjoy the
> >>>>>>>>>> ?privileges
> >>>>>>>>>> of the new office. ?here here!!"
> >>>>>>>>>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?-dave hillstrom
>
> >>>>>>>>> ? ?Hey Dave--Let's talk Global Positioning System, specifically
> >>>>>>>>> ? ?Cesium and Rubidium clocks, relativistic corrections and the
> >>>>>>>>> ? ?quantum mechanics behind the circuitry. Then there is the
> >>>>>>>>> ? ?determination of the figure of the earth, the spread spectrum
> >>>>>>>>> ? ?correlation receivers and the correlation pseudo noise codes.
> >>>>>>>>> ? ?Add to that the supersensitive electronic receivers used in the
> >>>>>>>>> ? ?ground control segment and the semiconductor technology in the
> >>>>>>>>> ? ?receiving CPUs.... It was the theorists and the physicists with
> >>>>>>>>> ? ?insatiable curiosity that came up with the breakthroughs
> >>>>>>>>> ? ?necessary for this global utility.
>
> >>>>>>>>> ? ?Bet you don't even know what GPS is!
>
> >>>>>>>> Why are you replying to Daev's .sig?
>
> >>>>>>> Because Daev sig is SEXY, duh.
>
> >>>>>>> BTW, it was the concept of triangulation what made possible the
> >>>>>>> theory that yu could looks at the timestamps of differents signals
> >>>>>>> comming from the sAtTelitEs that they soem tiems use to beem thots
> >>>>>>> into our heds when they are not using them to spy onus with our
> >>>>>>> cellfonez. FYI HTH
> >>>>>>> HAND
>
> >>>>>> So, math again.
>
> >>>>>GPS STANDS FOR 'GENERAL PERSONAL SCRUTINY'!!!!11111!!!!!!!
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>> What are you? A Tom Cruise wanna be?
>
> >>> The scientologistses kicked me out because I woulna take off me tinfoil
> >>> hat!
>
> >>I *told* you I can't cut hair very good. ?Once I determined each
> >>follicles speed I was unable to determine their precise location!
>
> > Explains the bald part.
>
> The follicular-quantum entanglement states that if you cut one then the
> others are cut.
>
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They're not attatched. Single particles are individual waves.

Mitch Raemsch

 

On Jul 4, 11:27?pm, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 5, 1:32?am, NoEinstein <noeinst...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 1, 2:06?pm, Daedalus <j...@newtko0ouks.biz> wrote:
>
> > > I used to admire physicists in a big way for their big ideas and
> > > fascinating concepts. These days they just seem like nutty professors
> > > and bullshit artists to me. They are the big talkers that never
> > > deliver on much. The daydreamers that don't seem to ever give you a
> > > straight answer about anything. Sure we can fold space or make a
> > > lightsaber in maybe a hundred years.
>
> > > Astronomers are kind of the same way, but astronomers actually
> > > discover something new once in a while, or the claim to. Since I don't
> > > own a Hubble telescope, I don't know if that giant planet is really in
> > > the next solar system.
>
> > > We've got biochemists that are on the verge of creating single cells
> > > out of amino acids in a lab and those yokel physicists are busy
> > > building giant atom smashers under the ground to look for dark matter..
> > > And working on this:
>
> > >http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/07/01/invisible.cloak/index.html?iref=mp...
>
> > > Why not do something helpful to mankind, you k00ks?
>
> > > Jade
>
> > Dear Jade:
>
> > One can be a scientist without having taken a course in science. ?The
> > main requirements are: Intelligence; insatiable curiosity; patience;
> > keen powers of observation; and determination. ?The manifestations of
> > physics, in particular, are all around us. ?One need not have read a
> > text to know about simple machines, thermodynamics; optical effects,
> > magnetism, and simple electricity. ?The ?original? scientists started
> > from scratch. ?So too can those who have the five qualities, above.
>
> > Too many tend to credit physics (and physicists) with invention.
> > Actually, nothing could be further from the truth! ?A person cannot
> > ?patent? a law of nature. ?Pragmatic engineers can find solutions of
> > tremendous importance simply by using common sense. ?Ever since ?space-
> > time?, physicists have been lacking in common sense. ?Unfortunately
> > for the general public, and the taxpayers, physicists have managed to
> > ?snow? agencies like the NSF. ?They can get big government grants
> > merely by ?seeking? answers. ?Where is the pragmatism in supposed?
> > science?
>
> > Thomas Edison wasn?t concerned with the ?whys?. ?His major
> > contribution was: To keep using ?trial and error? till practical
> > solutions are found. ?Testing one thing after another is a far better
> > teacher than any text can be!
>
> > The shame of physics is that 17 mile diameter particle accelerator in
> > Europe that is about to come on line. ?What practical objectives does
> > it have? ?Confirming whether or not the Universe is open or closed
> > won?t cut-it as a practical goal. ?If a hundred supposedly new
> > particles are found, who gives a rip? ?Research should be useful to
> > everyday people, at least eventually, or the research shouldn?t be
> > done.
>
> > The status quo has a lock on academia. ?Somehow, educators and
> > politicians have managed to convince the public that their? Johnny or
> > Joannie will be better off by being run through the education mills.
> > For 3/4ths of those, education is counter productive. ?Instead of
> > throwing money, and lives, at education, start funding startup
> > companies. ?Fund pragmatic, even trial and error, research in things
> > like safe fusion power. ?Global warming is a solvable problem, if we
> > will TRY things, rather than forming committees and expecting
> > government to take the lead.
>
> > Yes, I?m an iconoclast. ?Following one of those has more promise of
> > solving the world?s problems than following the crowd. ?The issue is:
> > ?Talk? or Action?. ?In most cases, the latter is far more productive.
> > ? NoEinstein ?
>
> -----------------
> Well said!!!
>
> Y.Porat
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? NoEinstein ?