Patriotism

Discussion in 'Politics' started by snafu, Nov 3, 2008.

  1. ImWithStupid

    ImWithStupid New Member

    Key word here is small scale. I completely believe that even communism could work on a small scale. It along with the Mi'Kmaq and other native tribes would be a noble goal, they just aren't possible on a large scale.

    Thanks, but that's what I said.

    http://justbs.us/off-topic-bs/31477-patriotism-13.html#post91870

    You compared 1984 to capitalism, I said it was about the negativity of communism. :confused:

    Capitalism allows those born in any level to rise to the highest point in society and wealth with hard work and determination, communism doesn't in all but the most rare of occasion and under socialism it's much, much more difficult.

    On that subject. Check the pattern of events in Russia under Putin's control. They are moving back to the old party rule or be destroyed mentality of the former USSR, that comes out of every attempt at communism.
     
  2. hugo

    hugo Big Time BS'er

    Really? Pinochet was dictator before Friedman came around. It was not capitalism that destroyed freedom. In fact, it was the policies of the Chicago School of Economics that destroyed tyranny in a mere 17 years while Chile led all Latin nations in GDP growth. Capitalism does not ensure civil liberties, it is a neccesary condition however. If you read Friedman (I suggest you read Capitalism and Freedom or Free to Choose) you will see Friedman stands for maximizing both civil and economic liberty. Pinochet's Chile was not his ideal environmet. It was, proof of his theory that the free market would lead also to greater civil liberties. The world moves slow. Destroying a dictatorship in 17 years was pretty quick on the geo-political scale.

    Men are greedy. It is part of our nature. Attempts to deny this part of our nature have always resulted inevitably in tyranny as the socialist fools becomes tools of the authorities. The only rational approach is to try to maximize civil and economic liberty while government is relegated to a niche of providing military and police power and certain public works.

    You may not be a communist, but your ideas fit quite well with Marxist theory. You are another utopian dreaming of a world that can never be and not realizing the horrors that have been perpetrated by such dreamers is inevitable. Not realizing that it takes tyranny to crush mans desire to better himself. Capitalism is like democracy, a flawed system as all systems involving humans are, but the best system given human nature. Man must be governed or there is chaos (Iraq right after Saddam's fall is a good example). That government must be limited or there is tyranny.

    Friedman on Chile:

    "I have nothing good to say about the political regime that Pinochet imposed. It was a terrible political regime. The real miracle of Chile is not how well it has done economically; the real miracle of Chile is that a military junta was willing to go against its principles and support a freemarket regime designed by principled believers in a free market. The results were spectacular. Inflation came down sharply. After a transitory period of recession and low output that is unavoidable in the course of reversing a strong inflation, output started to expand, and ever since, the Chilean economy has performed better than any other South American economy."


    The same can be said about capitalism concerning economic systems.
     
  3. snafu

    snafu Big Time BS'er


    It it propaganda but it was a letter to suport the troops.
    It's talking about people who don't think anything can happen to them. It talks about the politcal buricrats that allowed a Navy to sit undefended pretending noththing could happen.

    We have troops that protect us from harm that people don't see coming. We have troops that protect our freedoms as we speak right now.
     
  4. eisanbt

    eisanbt Member

    This is a somewhat fair statement, at least so far as large 'economic systems' go. The problem being that such systems simply should not exist, that they exist to maintain a massive social hierarchy, and they are only necessary in support/ maintenance of a civilization of domination. Again, we were dominated long long ago. Time was that everyone didn't have to live with these 'necessary evils', that their interactions were not dependent on such things. We could, conceivably, reclaim such a way of life. I am jaded enough to have most sincere doubts about that actually coming about on a massive scale. But once you realize you're trapped in a web of destruction its hard to go back to blissful participatory ignorance. My dreams of a better life will most likely go unrealized. However giving up is, at this point, is an option only facilitated though suicide. I'm too happy living for that. I will futilely carry on, with that awareness adding only the lightest weight on my life.
     
  5. ImWithStupid

    ImWithStupid New Member

    You show a better system that works on a large scale, and I'll back it. Until then, capitalism is the best system in the history of man. That said, capitalism without risk because the misguided, ignorant, politicians back or guarantee a portion of the market leads to problems. Capitalism on it's own checks itself through risk of failure, but when government backs or guarentees an aspect as they did in mortgages, once risk of failure isn't there, greed takes over, and runs rampant.
     
  6. snafu

    snafu Big Time BS'er

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  7. snafu

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  8. snafu

    snafu Big Time BS'er

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  9. snafu

    snafu Big Time BS'er

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  10. snafu

    snafu Big Time BS'er

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  12. Old Salt

    Old Salt Big Time BS

  13. snafu

    snafu Big Time BS'er

    Hehehe... I liked that one.:D
     
  14. snafu

    snafu Big Time BS'er

  15. snafu

    snafu Big Time BS'er

    OK this is just plain ****ed up!


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  16. BrotherMan

    BrotherMan The Man

  17. snafu

    snafu Big Time BS'er

  18. ImWithStupid

    ImWithStupid New Member

  19. snafu

    snafu Big Time BS'er

    I agree totally but it?s better than that last terrorist that Obama commuted his sentence in half and let him go.

    If he's gonna **** up and close Gitmo at least keep these assholes locked up!
     
  20. RoyalOrleans

    RoyalOrleans I Am Not the Fine Man You Take Me For

    This is what happens when the inmates run the asylum.
     

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