Patriotism

Discussion in 'Politics' started by snafu, Nov 3, 2008.

  1. RoyalOrleans

    RoyalOrleans I Am Not the Fine Man You Take Me For

    No one wants to fight for the goodness still left in the world. Society has become lackadaisical and damn near expects that goodness to be handed to them.
     
  2. snafu

    snafu Big Time BS'er

    [ame= - Johnny Cash - Ragged Old Flag[/ame]
     
  3. wez

    wez Big Time BS

    Who's hand is up my ass? Mine.
     
  4. wez

    wez Big Time BS

    I still fight for goodness.. open your eyes.
     
  5. RoyalOrleans

    RoyalOrleans I Am Not the Fine Man You Take Me For

    If everything is the fukken opposite of what it claims then why do you, wez, believe everything you read? Why site quotes? Why quote Jesus? Why quote a book review? - RO
     
  6. RoyalOrleans

    RoyalOrleans I Am Not the Fine Man You Take Me For

    Your Jesus must be so proud.
     
  7. wez

    wez Big Time BS

    I don't believe everything I read, see, or hear... I believe what's good and true that comes from within.. not from without. And I can spot a hypocrite from a mile away.


    What Jesus had to say was good and true.. Got a problem with Jesus?
     
  8. RoyalOrleans

    RoyalOrleans I Am Not the Fine Man You Take Me For

    Is that something they teach you in nursing school?


    Not discounting the moral authenticity of the character of Jesus, but I do have a problem with the actual historicity of his life. Maybe he was invented for the sake of the belittlement of lesser men?
     
  9. emkay64

    emkay64 Big Time BS

    Geez! Play nice! If you guys are so fukking bored you can come work for me today. Patriotism is noble and necessary. If ya`can`t say anything nice, don`t say anything at all :p
     
  10. wez

    wez Big Time BS


    No, something I just picked along the way..



    Aint no such thing as "lesser men" all illusions... and anyone using Jesus to claim otherwise is a fraud.
     
  11. wez

    wez Big Time BS

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    I will!


    I agree with you about patriotism.. as long as it's based on truth, justice, and equality.

    Don't need to scream in kids faces, belittle them and strip them of their individuality to instill patriotism if that's the case.
     
  12. RoyalOrleans

    RoyalOrleans I Am Not the Fine Man You Take Me For

    Aww... pickles!

    But, but... mom he cast the first stone.
     
  13. wez

    wez Big Time BS

    Hey man.. what's up? Figured you'd be tossing yourself a parade and demanding respect from lesser men like myself..
     
  14. RoyalOrleans

    RoyalOrleans I Am Not the Fine Man You Take Me For

    Yeah... why aren't you tossing my salad?
     
  15. wez

    wez Big Time BS

    Hahaha.. I'm allergic to elderberries..
     
  16. snafu

    snafu Big Time BS'er

    [ame= - Full Metal Jacket [BEST QUALITY][/ame]
     
  17. snafu

    snafu Big Time BS'er

    Our Canadian Brothers in Arms.


    [ame= - Canada at War[/ame]
     
  18. snafu

    snafu Big Time BS'er

  19. eisanbt

    eisanbt Member

    Can't say I'm patriotic about anywhere but the exact area I came from (eastern shore hardcore!). This government and this state give me nothing to be proud of. Why would I take pride in a mechanism for destruction and oppression accross the globe? Heck, I need not look so far as "the third word" to find examples of systematic oppression and destruction carried out by "my" country (Reference; any impoverished community, particularly aboriginal communities). The idea that we are a peaceful nation is a misconception; how can we call ourselves peaceful when the systems which facilitate our way of life (particularly the economic one, but that would be to simplify) necessitate violent exploitation of people and planet? A common knowledge example might be the peace/ prosperity provided by the Nazi regime to many of its citizens (a cliche at this point in history, but it seems the only one with which people are familiar), but to call that a true 'peace' would be rather short-sighted would it not? Our situation is no different. Unfortunately I've no room to escape this, opting out (cabin in the woods style) would simply save my concise.

    I suppose I made some assumptions about how you choose to use patriotism, I've not read the whole thread, but I imagine the form of patriotism I am here attacking is somewhat obvious, or at least I hope so.

    I do have some appreciation for the American constitution (not American) as it seems to make several attempts to allow for freedom (an ambiguous and poetic term akin to love, please think critically about the limitations and assumptions of that word). It seems to offer some good guidelines, though I question how such guidelines for 'freedom' can be institutionalized while maintaining their integrity. All that is a side I suppose; somewhat off topic, somewhat on.

    Oh and taking pride in your country's ability to kill (Ref the jets); WTF?


    Zeeeep
     
  20. snafu

    snafu Big Time BS'er

    2006 Air Show on Elmendorf Air Force Bace. The fighting force of the ages.



    Left - F-22 Raptor
    Top- P 51 Mustang
    Right - F15 Eagle
    Bottom - A10 Warthog

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