One Picture Is Worth 1000 Words - Tell Me - What Do You See?

http://tinyurl.com/yvqmda Which links to:


http://h1.ripway.com/kenpisano/1PictureWorth1000Words.jpg

 

On Mar 2, 9:11 pm, Pisano <kenpis...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://tinyurl.com/yvqmda Which links to:
>
> http://h1.ripway.com/kenpisano/1PictureWorth1000Words.jpg

I see building falling down not due to fire or to the impact of a
plane but because of something else...

I dont subscribe to any of the conspiracy theories per se, but I know
something brought it down from within the building...

who, what, why we will never know, but it wasnt fire or planes...

 

"garciyalater@gmail.com" <garciyalater@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Mar 2, 9:11 pm, Pisano <kenpis...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> http://tinyurl.com/yvqmda Which links to:
>>
>> http://h1.ripway.com/kenpisano/1PictureWorth1000Words.jpg
>
> I see building falling down not due to fire or to the impact of a
> plane but because of something else...
>
> I dont subscribe to any of the conspiracy theories per se, but I know
> something brought it down from within the building...
>
> who, what, why we will never know, but it wasnt fire or planes...

Does your head sweat much under that tinfoil hat?

 

..
>
> Does your head sweat much under that tinfoil hat?

name one other steel building to ever collapse from a fire.....

like I said, I dont buy into the conspiracy theory about the us govt,
etc, being involved...

I dont know what to think, but I can say with some degree of certainty
that those buildings were brought down, they didnt fall down....

 

On Mar 2, 9:11?pm, Pisano <kenpis...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ? ? ? ?http://tinyurl.com/yvqmda?Which links to:
>
> ? ? ? ?http://h1.ripway.com/kenpisano/1PictureWorth1000Words.jpg

I see a puff of smoke behind the stockade fence on the grassy knoll.

The Arranger

 

On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 11:07:24 -0800 (PST), "garciyalater@gmail.com"
<garciyalater@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>
>> Does your head sweat much under that tinfoil hat?
>
>name one other steel building to ever collapse from a fire.....

Name one other steel building to ever get t-boned by a passenger
airliner loaded with jet fuel.

 

>
> I see a puff of smoke behind the stockade fence on the grassy knoll.
>
> The Arranger

you and the majority of the people in the plaza that day......

dont even get me going on that....

my masters thesis dealt heavily on that very issue...

 

> Name one other steel building to ever get t-boned by a passenger
> airliner loaded with jet fuel.


but if it was the jet fuel.....

why did it look more or less like the fire was out before the building
came down?

I am not trying to incite a fight or disagree. Its a difficult
subject. I realize that. But there is extremley credible scientific
evidence to indicate it was something other than the planes that
brought the building down....

thats all I can say about it, I guess, you either accept the official
story, or you dont, know amount of debate will change your mind...

but if you have ever worked in demolitions or know someone who has,
ask them what they think......

 

"garciyalater@gmail.com" <garciyalater@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> .
>>
>> Does your head sweat much under that tinfoil hat?
>
> name one other steel building to ever collapse from a fire.....
>
> like I said, I dont buy into the conspiracy theory about the us govt,
> etc, being involved...
>
> I dont know what to think, but I can say with some degree of certainty
> that those buildings were brought down, they didnt fall down....

Don't you think something like that would have taken just a little bit of
prep work, not to mention fuses, etc.
Did everyone just turn their heads while this was going on, or did it happen
over a long holiday weekend?

 

On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:09:29 -0800 (PST), "garciyalater@gmail.com"
<garciyalater@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>> Name one other steel building to ever get t-boned by a passenger
>> airliner loaded with jet fuel.
>
>
>but if it was the jet fuel.....
>
>why did it look more or less like the fire was out before the building
>came down?
>


The jet fuel burned away relatively quickly. Most of it
outside of the buildings in those huge fireballs. That is why in at
least one video segment shown live in early news reports you can
clearly see a woman standing in the gaping hole left by one of the
airplanes, holding onto a torn piece of metal. If it were actually
hot enough to weaken steel inside, she would have certainly succumbed
to such an intense heat very quickly indeed.


http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc1_woman.html


>I am not trying to incite a fight or disagree. Its a difficult
>subject. I realize that. But there is extremley credible scientific
>evidence to indicate it was something other than the planes that
>brought the building down....
>

Structures of steel and concrete simply can not fall through
succesive layers of progressively stronger steel and concrete as
quickly as they would fall through thin air. It defies the laws of
physics. Also, most of the steel columns and beams on the ground were
found in sections, averaging around 30 feet in length.

For the entire structure to fall the way it did, at free-fall
speed, without being previously rigged for demolition would require
that literally hundreds of thousands of welded and bolted construction
joints failed simultaneously, all the way down to the ground.

Note also that in the photo referenced in this thread that the
upper portion of the south tower fell away in a southernly direction,
thereby removing the load entirely from the northern face of the
building, and eventually from the rest of the structure. What then,
in particular, are we to assume was causing the violent voluminous
ejection of such a mass of material from not only the northern face,
but the remainder of the structure as well?


>thats all I can say about it, I guess, you either accept the official
>story, or you dont, know amount of debate will change your mind...
>

The official story is, in fact, a conspiracy theory. It goes
something like this: "A group of 19 muslims who were members of a
foreign terrorist organization and a wealthy relative of the prominent
Bin Laden family engaged in a conspiracy to use box cutters to hijack
four commercial jet airliners, completely evade NORAD defenses and
crash those planes into various buildings in the United States . . ."


>but if you have ever worked in demolitions or know someone who has,
>ask them what they think......


They will think it was a top-down, controlled demolition.

That is, unless they happen to feel threatened with the loss
of their jobs, or future demolition contracts unless they go along
with the "official story".

 

On Mar 4, 12:29 am, "M'Balz Es-Hari" <texan...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "garciyala...@gmail.com" <garciyala...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:41a821ff-2cf1-4326-bf62-fea47cfe93b9@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
>
> > .
>
> >> Does your head sweat much under that tinfoil hat?
>
> > name one other steel building to ever collapse from a fire.....
>
> > like I said, I dont buy into the conspiracy theory about the us govt,
> > etc, being involved...
>
> > I dont know what to think, but I can say with some degree of certainty
> > that those buildings were brought down, they didnt fall down....
>
> Don't you think something like that would have taken just a little bit of
> prep work, not to mention fuses, etc.
> Did everyone just turn their heads while this was going on, or did it happen
> over a long holiday weekend?

there were reports of several people int he building a couple of weeks
ago....

one of the things that really get me thinking is the eye witness
accounts of an explosion in the basement, just prior to the plane
hitting....

there certainly is enough that when looked at it becomes awfully
sketchy...

 

On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 22:55:15 -0800 (PST), "garciyalater@gmail.com"
<garciyalater@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Mar 4, 12:29 am, "M'Balz Es-Hari" <texan...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> "garciyala...@gmail.com" <garciyala...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:41a821ff-2cf1-4326-bf62-fea47cfe93b9@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > .
>>
>> >> Does your head sweat much under that tinfoil hat?
>>
>> > name one other steel building to ever collapse from a fire.....
>>
>> > like I said, I dont buy into the conspiracy theory about the us govt,
>> > etc, being involved...
>>
>> > I dont know what to think, but I can say with some degree of certainty
>> > that those buildings were brought down, they didnt fall down....
>>
>> Don't you think something like that would have taken just a little bit of
>> prep work, not to mention fuses, etc.
>> Did everyone just turn their heads while this was going on, or did it happen
>> over a long holiday weekend?
>
>there were reports of several people int he building a couple of weeks
>ago....
>
>one of the things that really get me thinking is the eye witness
>accounts of an explosion in the basement, just prior to the plane
>hitting....
>
>there certainly is enough that when looked at it becomes awfully
>sketchy...


http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/9-11_wtc_videos.html

 

On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:05:39 -0800 (PST), "garciyalater@gmail.com"
<garciyalater@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>>
>> I see a puff of smoke behind the stockade fence on the grassy knoll.
>>
>> The Arranger
>
>you and the majority of the people in the plaza that day......
>
>dont even get me going on that....
>
>my masters thesis dealt heavily on that very issue...

Where does one study to get their Masters Degree in Conspiracy
Theories?

 

"garciyalater@gmail.com" <garciyalater@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Mar 4, 12:29 am, "M'Balz Es-Hari" <texan...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> "garciyala...@gmail.com" <garciyala...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:41a821ff-2cf1-4326-bf62-fea47cfe93b9@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > .
>>
>> >> Does your head sweat much under that tinfoil hat?
>>
>> > name one other steel building to ever collapse from a fire.....
>>
>> > like I said, I dont buy into the conspiracy theory about the us govt,
>> > etc, being involved...
>>
>> > I dont know what to think, but I can say with some degree of certainty
>> > that those buildings were brought down, they didnt fall down....
>>
>> Don't you think something like that would have taken just a little bit of
>> prep work, not to mention fuses, etc.
>> Did everyone just turn their heads while this was going on, or did it
>> happen
>> over a long holiday weekend?
>
> there were reports of several people int he building a couple of weeks
> ago....
>
> one of the things that really get me thinking is the eye witness
> accounts of an explosion in the basement, just prior to the plane
> hitting....
>
> there certainly is enough that when looked at it becomes awfully
> sketchy...

I'm not sure those planes even hit. They may have been some sort of a
hologram that was part of the conspiracy. I mean - WTF - as long as we're
throwing shit out there.

 

On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 10:53:52 -0500, BAH <bah44@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:05:39 -0800 (PST), "garciyalater@gmail.com"
><garciyalater@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>>
>>> I see a puff of smoke behind the stockade fence on the grassy knoll.
>>>
>>> The Arranger
>>
>>you and the majority of the people in the plaza that day......
>>
>>dont even get me going on that....
>>
>>my masters thesis dealt heavily on that very issue...
>
>Where does one study to get their Masters Degree in Conspiracy
>Theories?


http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/sept_11/911Report.pdf

 

On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 13:29:27 -0500, Big Al
<Yosemite_Sam@WarnerBrothers.com> wrote:

>Izheet Madroors wrote:
>> "garciyalater@gmail.com" <garciyalater@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1b18abd9-cf8a-4689-a1b7-8e44d5bdac31@e60g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Mar 4, 12:29 am, "M'Balz Es-Hari" <texan...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> "garciyala...@gmail.com" <garciyala...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> news:41a821ff-2cf1-4326-bf62-fea47cfe93b9@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
>>>>
>>>>> .
>>>>>> Does your head sweat much under that tinfoil hat?
>>>>> name one other steel building to ever collapse from a fire.....
>>>>> like I said, I dont buy into the conspiracy theory about the us govt,
>>>>> etc, being involved...
>>>>> I dont know what to think, but I can say with some degree of certainty
>>>>> that those buildings were brought down, they didnt fall down....
>>>> Don't you think something like that would have taken just a little bit of
>>>> prep work, not to mention fuses, etc.
>>>> Did everyone just turn their heads while this was going on, or did it
>>>> happen
>>>> over a long holiday weekend?
>>> there were reports of several people int he building a couple of weeks
>>> ago....
>>>
>>> one of the things that really get me thinking is the eye witness
>>> accounts of an explosion in the basement, just prior to the plane
>>> hitting....
>>>
>>> there certainly is enough that when looked at it becomes awfully
>>> sketchy...
>>
>> I'm not sure those planes even hit. They may have been some sort of a
>> hologram that was part of the conspiracy. I mean - WTF - as long as we're
>> throwing shit out there.
>>
>>
>
>Hey, in this day & age, I have absolutely no problem with anyone
>questioning anything. In fact, I'm highly in favor of it. If you've
>considered the information you have and decide for yourself that it is
>what you've been told it is, then fine, I have no problem with that and
>I have no problem with people who have also considered the information
>given to them and who do NOT buy it. The ones that I have no respect for
>are the ones who, out of blind patriotism-based denial, just
>automatically say no way in hell did our government do this to its own
>people. If your only explanation is "Nah, they wouldn't do that!", then
>you are in big trouble, IMHO.

 

On Mar 4, 10:53 am, BAH <ba...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:05:39 -0800 (PST), "garciyala...@gmail.com"
>
> <garciyala...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> I see a puff of smoke behind the stockade fence on the grassy knoll.
>
> >> The Arranger
>
> >you and the majority of the people in the plaza that day......
>
> >dont even get me going on that....
>
> >my masters thesis dealt heavily on that very issue...
>
> Where does one study to get their Masters Degree in Conspiracy
> Theories?

actually it was a masters degree in corrections administration/policy
with a BS in criminal justice...principles of investagation was a big
part of the undergrad program and I carried over the interest to the
masters level

 

On Mar 4, 4:22?pm, "garciyala...@gmail.com" <garciyala...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> On Mar 4, 10:53 am, BAH <ba...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:05:39 -0800 (PST), "garciyala...@gmail.com"
>
> > <garciyala...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> I see a puff of smoke behind the stockade fence on the grassy knoll.
>
> > >> The Arranger
>
> > >you and the majority of the people in the plaza that day......
>
> > >dont even get me going on that....
>
> > >my masters thesis dealt heavily on that very issue...
>
> > Where does one study to get their Masters Degree in Conspiracy
> > Theories?
>
> actually it was a masters degree in corrections administration/policy
> with a BS in criminal justice...principles of investagation was a big
> part of the undergrad program and I carried over the interest to the
> masters level

What university?

The Arranger

 

On Mar 4, 6:25 pm, The Arranger <recur...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 4, 4:22 pm, "garciyala...@gmail.com" <garciyala...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 4, 10:53 am, BAH <ba...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > > On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:05:39 -0800 (PST), "garciyala...@gmail.com"
>
> > > <garciyala...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > >> I see a puff of smoke behind the stockade fence on the grassy knoll.
>
> > > >> The Arranger
>
> > > >you and the majority of the people in the plaza that day......
>
> > > >dont even get me going on that....
>
> > > >my masters thesis dealt heavily on that very issue...
>
> > > Where does one study to get their Masters Degree in Conspiracy
> > > Theories?
>
> > actually it was a masters degree in corrections administration/policy
> > with a BS in criminal justice...principles of investagation was a big
> > part of the undergrad program and I carried over the interest to the
> > masters level
>
> What university?
>
> The Arranger


which undergrad or post?

san jose state for post, john jay for under....

i think san jose may be only 1 of 3 or 4 schools that do the
corrections admin....

 

On Mar 4, 6:25 pm, The Arranger <recur...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 4, 4:22 pm, "garciyala...@gmail.com" <garciyala...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 4, 10:53 am, BAH <ba...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > > On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:05:39 -0800 (PST), "garciyala...@gmail.com"
>
> > > <garciyala...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > >> I see a puff of smoke behind the stockade fence on the grassy knoll.
>
> > > >> The Arranger
>
> > > >you and the majority of the people in the plaza that day......
>
> > > >dont even get me going on that....
>
> > > >my masters thesis dealt heavily on that very issue...
>
> > > Where does one study to get their Masters Degree in Conspiracy
> > > Theories?
>
> > actually it was a masters degree in corrections administration/policy
> > with a BS in criminal justice...principles of investagation was a big
> > part of the undergrad program and I carried over the interest to the
> > masters level
>
> What university?
>
> The Arranger

and westfield state in mass technically for the bulk of the
bachelors....