Oh! Boy!!! Obama is in real trouble now!!!!

Did we? I honestly didn't know that. I don't think it has to do with whiteness or religion, personally--I tend to believe that things were more honorable back then and that we've become far too desensitized in this day and age. Then again, the Japanese were a target for suspicion in the U.S. and there were internment camps, as they were euphemistically called. Maybe it was a combination of both?

 

Waterboarding pulled info from a terrorist that led to the eventual killing of bin Laden. Wouldn't you we all agree that the temporary discomfort we caused a mass murderer was worth it?

 

I guess the question is, then, does the end justify the means? I don't know that it does. Would we have gotten bin Laden without waterboarding? I don't know what the answer is, or even if there is a single answer to the waterboarding question.

 

The point I was attempting to make ...(laughs)... was that, while our military did indeed use waterboarding in the past, it was deemed illegal. Our military personnel who used it were prosecuted. The Japanese who used it against are troops in WW2 were hanged for using it. That we began using it again, and are having this discussion, is why we have to look back at the history of the practice... how it was used in the past, why it was deemed illegal, etc.

 

Some say torture doesn't provide useful info, and I'd disagree with that, but would say the small amount of useful info is extremely difficult to differentiate from the large amount of bs produced by torture. People will say anything and everything while being tortured, in order for the torturing to stop... that's how torture works.

Now, our military has made the practice of water-boarding, and other tortures, illegal to use themselves... if not currently then in the past...so, the question is, do we want to legally allow CIA agents to torture people? If yes, I'd think it should be required for you to personally watch the entire torture sessions in order to fully understand what you're allowing to take place.

 

You wouldn't care to back some of that up, would you?

 

Care to point out a lie?

 

It seems to me to be a case of its being okay when we do it to others but its not being okay when it's done to us and I don't think that flies. I think that with water boarding and with our treatment of our prisoners generally we have forfeited any right for our people to expect as opposed to hope for just and humane treatment from our enemies.
http://lawofwar.org/Water_Torture_Article.htm
And George Washington wouldn't have like what we are doing either.
http://articles.latimes.com/2005/dec/17/opinion/oe-kennedy17

 

Just where did I say anything was a lie? It would be common courtesy to back up such statements.

 

I would submit that's kinda the way a war works. We kill them but we don't want them to kill us. I doubt our use of waterboarding will make the terrorists any more viscious than they have already been.

 

Like your "20 Lies Obama made" thing? Do you believe your posting of that bs was courteous? I don't. As for my comment:

"Some say torture doesn't provide useful info, and I'd disagree with that, but would say the small amount of useful info is extremely difficult to differentiate from the large amount of bs produced by torture. People will say anything and everything while being tortured, in order for the torturing to stop... that's how torture works.

Now, our military has made the practice of water-boarding, and other tortures, illegal to use themselves... if not currently then in the past...so, the question is, do we want to legally allow CIA agents to torture people? If yes, I'd think it should be required for you to personally watch the entire torture sessions in order to fully understand what you're allowing to take place."

...all that info should be common knowledge, that you feel obligated to ask me to prove them is proof to me that you are more interested in arguing, in the most stupid way possible, than anything else. If you truly were interested, the information is easily accessible by anyone with access to a computer and the willingness to learn more about something they should already have an understanding on.

See be a *poof* all you want... go fish yourself.