Official: 27 dead in Conn. school shooting including 18 children

The ideas are meant to help identify, and therefor help punish, those who sell or give a gun to someone who cannot legally own a gun. In particular the discussion was of 'straw sales'. It is the idea of punishing the illegal supply side rather than the banning guns on the legal demand side.

As far as registration... If the government ever was able to actually ban all guns, they are going to get your guns, registration or not. All if would take would be a scouring of transactions for guns ammo and accessories you may have purchased over your lifetime. And even easier, you probably fit into a gun owning demographic. I know I do even without the card I have to have to own a gun.

And even if you have completely covered your tracks in buying all of your guns and ammo and are able to hide them when they come looking, what then? You wouldn't ever be able to do anything with them without going to jail the first time you did use it or someone saw it. If the government actually banned all guns, its game over for the Constitution already.

 

I couldn't agree more.

 

Government monopolized the news agency. They censored the important news of Sandy Hook shootings. Sandy Hook - Judge seals police records for 90 days. It helps to fume suspicion of people. Why did they release so much inconsistent information on Sandy Hook shooting?

Do you know why they released the following news (MANY 9-11 "HIJACKERS" ARE STILL ALIVE)? Because there are many people work for government as informants. They are afraid of becoming sacrifices when they were told to carry out a mission. So the late news (hijackers still alive) released to comfort them. Now we saw so many disinformation released later after Sandy Hook shooting. It hints "we didn't kill that many children". That's the trick how the government fool you the people.

MANY 9-11 "HIJACKERS" ARE STILL ALIVE.

http://guardian.150m.com/september-eleven/hijackers-still-alive.jpg

The world's media has reported that many of the so-called hijackers "fingered" by the FBI are still alive. For example the BBC (British Broadcasting Cooperation) carried this report:



Hijack "suspects" alive and well.



The following article is a remake of http://www.mujahideen.fsnet.co.uk/wtc/wtc-hijackers.htm which lists many of the media articles dealing with the hijackers who were not hijackers.

http://guardian.150m.com/september-eleven/hijackers-alive.htm

 

When the gun crowd loudly proclaims that citizens need guns to protect themselves from criminals, one has to ask how many justifiable homicides are there in this country against criminals specifically. You'd think that the criminals were just coming out of woodwork the way the gun crowd portrays the need for more guns. So how many felons have been shot by citizens protecting themselves in the last decade? Let's see....


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Certainly those numbers do not justify the thousands of deaths and the countless mass shootings we see annually.

 

Two things come to mind about your statistics since it says:'Felons killed'.

1. Does that mean that it is only counting previous felons who were killed by citizens and cops? Or are they assuming the person killed was a felon based upon the current crime where they were killed?

2. Is it only counting those times when the felon was killed? How about times when the felon was only injured? Or not injured at all and just scared away or ran?

3. Is that for the entire US? The numbers seem low for cops but based upon the ambiguity of the graphic, maybe not.

I would be interested to hear about your statistics in more detail so they would be a bit more meaningful.

 

Good questions.

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Well, I only had 2 but when I looked at the police numbers, question number 3 came to mind. 48 in 10 years? That would seem like a slow weekend for the LAPD if it was the number of times the cops have killed someone committing or who just committed a crime.

This article:

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jun/10/local/la-me-cop-shootings-20120610

says there were 54 people killed by police in LA County alone in 2011.

 

Here is an article I just just quickly found that has some quite large numbers (that I have not researched myself) for defensive gun uses overall. So I think I have to assume the chart posted above, if anything, is a very limited subset of actual defensive gun use:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybe...-the-myths-promoted-by-the-gun-control-lobby/

Numbers like:

• A widely-known study conducted by Gary Kleck and Marc Gertz in the 1990s found that there were somewhere between 830,000 and 2.45 million U.S. defensive gun uses annually
• A National Crime Victimization Study (NCVS) which asked victims if they had used a gun in self-defense found that about 108,000 each year had done so.

 

To pour more gasoline on the fire;

http://ag.ca.gov/cjsc/publications/homicide/hm03/jh.pdf
In case someone missed it, that is just in California - in just one year.

AND!

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc...w-enforcement/expanded/expandhomicidemain.pdf

 

Well, since the gun crowd continually uses the the term "criminals", I thought felons certainly qualified as criminals. I'm just trying to stay within their talking points. And yes, felons shot in the various acts on the list. A first-timer would not be on the list but then again, those are still "good guys" with guyns because they haven't committed a crime yet. Again, trying to stay with the gun crowds talking point. Point two, if they ran away, how would you know whether ot not they were felons? I think that the vast majority of people shot a close range probably die so maybe a handful of them managed to get away. I'd bet the numbers wouldn't incease much if those few were included. It did say U.S.

 

Definitely something odd about those numbers in the chart originally posted.

Even if they were accurate, I am not sure why someone would compile them. Certainly not for home defense issues. I don't think I have ever heard someone argue that they were buying a gun just to kill convicted felons released from jail in case they attack them or their home. I can;t see anyone asking someone breaking into their house "Can I see your Felon Card please? Because if you are not a felon, proceed." lol

I am going to do some more reading but it appears to me hat there are hundreds of thousands of gun defensive uses by people every year.

 

I suspect you are being a bit over zealous, but probably a lot more in perspective than Teddy Ruxpin.

BTW Did you notice how he totally avoid commenting on my referenced statistics? That seems to be his habit when he is faced by actual facts in stead of his twisted info.

 

Could be but the 2 studies I saw with a single search said between 100k and 2.45 million. Have not yet looked into the veracity of either number, however. 2.45 million seems exceedingly high just looking at it.

A defensive gun use could be as little as someone with a conceal carry permit showing their gun to a potential mugger and the mugger running off. I think a lot of anti-gun folks believe that someone with a gun is looking to blast away in any confrontation (there is obviously a lot of fear factor in some of the anti-gun folks).

As I have said before, if someone were to break into my house and the distinctive sound of a shotgun being pumped causes them to find a different target...that is the ideal scenario to me. I would not be in it to try and be a cop and detain or kill the individual. I would be there to discourage and defend.

 

That's one of the points the anti-gun crowd doesn't seem to understand. A firearm should only be used to kill as a last resort. Now, if my life or the life of one of my family members is threatened, I will use my gun to kill, if necessary. Hopefully, the potential killer will feel threatened enough by a gun pointed at him to be scared away, but if not, then he will need to be prepared for the consequences. I don't say this casually; taking a life, even in war or self-defense, is something I would hate to do. But, if it comes down to "him or me" I'm going to try to make damned sure it's him.

 

100k to 2.45m is a massive range, that is like saying between 1 and 25 people die from smelly farts each year.

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I agree. Here is an interesting compilation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_gun_use

Wikipedia so take it for what it is worth but at least sources involved.

Pretty much goes with what I was thinking. Into the hundreds of thousands per year with 70-90% of them simply brandishing a weapon. And probably many of those are unreported (and therefor hard to survey).

 

Registration in Canada led to confiscation. Is that what you want?

 

Sandy Hook full view, in a case with a lot of casualty, no ambulance is seen.

http://contrailscience.com/skitch/skitched-20130218-105845.jpg

 

The later coming ambulance parks at the center of the road. Paramedics take easy steps with no hurry. Are they exhausted by repeated drills or just know in advance there is no survivors? Compare that red coat running woman.

http://timethemoment.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/ap721562485881.jpg?w=735

 

NewTown Bee reporter arrived there at 9:59 am and had these pictures. No ambulance in background.