Occupy movement magnet for violence.

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Takiji, Nov 11, 2011.

  1. CoinOKC
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  2. DeeNeely

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  3. rlm's cents
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    I disagree with that completely. Violence is ALWAYS always a negative. The only thing is that sometimes some violence is less negative than the alternatives.
     
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  4. IQless1
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    My only issue with a 'lawful order' is that not all are just, some are created for unjust reasons. In the Sandusky case, I'd have to accept the consequences if I had physically harmed him, it's a different situation with the Occupiers though. In some cities they create a new law specifically to allow for the removal of the Occupiers. IMO, the Occupiers shouldn't fall under that specific law since it's obviously a means to legally remove them where it was illegal before the new law. At the very least there's probably a case for the Occupiers having the right to stay under a "grandfather" clause.
     
  5. HollysMom

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  6. IQless1
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    Birth. Life. A Slinky. Not quite what you were talking about, but violence is necessary in a physical World. Violence for the purpose of intentional harm is negative, violence for the purpose of intentional help is a positive. You can't have peace without violence, how could you even define 'peace' without it?. It's that ying/yang thing.
     
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    Sorry, but I guess you missed it.
     
  8. David

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    The absence of violence?
     
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  9. HollysMom

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    But if you didn't have violence, then how would you know what the absence of violence is?
     
  10. IQless1
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    Bingo lol
     
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  12. HollysMom

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    Hay, I iz a collij stewdet an I iz a deeep thimkur. ;)
     
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    But you are supposed to spell that hay as hey!
     
  14. CoinOKC
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    Terribly violent in Oakland:

     
  15. HollysMom

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    *Cough* That's all you noticed about my post?! LOL

    As to the Occupy Oakland violence--are we sure that's them? While I don't see a lot of "violence," I do see a ton of property damage and wouldn't necessarily characterize that as a peaceful demonstration.
     
  16. CoinOKC
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    I'd call it violence. You can hear one protester yelling that another protester should be shot. Some protesters are tearing down a fence. Some protesters are forcefully holding another person against the hood of a vehicle. One protester is seen kicking another protester. Several protesters are seen breaking windows while carrying sticks/clubs. Yes, I'd say it's violent.
     
  17. Takiji

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  18. HollysMom

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    I don't know--I think that you can't call vocalizations "violence" as much as they are calls for violence. Tearing down a fence and breaking glass are acts of property damage, not violence against individuals although I can probably go with calling that a violent act. Violent acts against people, definitely "violence." But . . . I saw your comment that the acts were "terribly violent." I guess I'm desensitized as to what might be considered "terribly violent" acts, but I didn't see that in the clip you provided.
     
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  19. DeeNeely

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    Well, first I would have to point out that sending naked pictures of an adult to another adult isn't a crime. It may be in bad taste, but not illegal. Especially, when compared to:

    And this is just the first five. Making the statement that all OWS protesters are violent, based on the actions of a few, is like say that all Republicans sex criminals because some have been arrested for sex crimes. Pointing out Anthony Weiner doesn't prove that all Democrats are sexting perverts either
     
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  20. CoinOKC
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    Good comments. My "terribly violent" description is a stark contrast to what I view a peaceful gathering to be. Had I seen these people on my neighborhood street breaking windows, tearing down fences, screaming that someone would be shot and people kicking other people, I'd definitely call it "terribly violent". Being as it occurred in Oakland, however, it could probably be viewed as just another Sunday afternoon stroll.
     

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