Occupy movement magnet for violence.

Your examples were not extreme, they were on Mars. And your repeated denials that I have the right to enjoy my home in peace and quite and then freely go to work to earn a living totally escape me. That is reality. Passing a law to shoot everyone is a joke. PERIOD!

 

So a cliche is your answer? Really? Cute!

 

Am I the only one who sees the irony in Zucotti Park, HQ for the flea party movement, being established by US Steel?

 

There is a reason such cliches exist. Apparently they are beyond your comprehension.

 

No, they are just lame ass excuse for an argument.

 

Godwin's Law.

 

I suppose having to sue is the only way. Petitioning your government for justice in the face of police brutality is kind of silly since it's the government who trained and equipped these paramilitary thugs and sent them against you in the first place.

 

I mentioned Godwin's law when I posted the note. Hitler is the most well known practitioner of genocide, but not the only one. Which is why I mentioned the others.

Ohhh, and your not responding to me remember.

 

I can't let you wiggle out of this one, DeeNeely. You said previously, "At public places their right to protests over rides your right to private enjoyment of public property." Please explain how anyone's rights override mine. This I gotta hear.

Now, as I've stated on numerous occasions, I agree 100% with the Flea Party's right to assemble. I even encourage them to assemble. If they want to speak, I'll listen to what they have to say. So far, from what I've heard, I don't agree with much of what they have to say. For instance, I've heard them protesting tuition hikes. I couldn't care less. If they don't want to pay the cost of tuition, don't.

I will vehemently disagree with anyone blocking free access to roadways, public parks, intersections, etc. I don't agree with them being unsanitary (tuberculosis and norovirus have even been reported in some camps). I don't agree with them throwing things at police officers (vinegar in the face of police officers) or slashing them.

This country was founded on the principle of peaceable assembly. Thus far, the Flea Party - for the most part - has exhibited exactly the opposite.

 

No, this country was born of peaceable assembly plus physical intimidation, destruction of property, disruption of public order, disregard for laws, and attacks on the legitimate political authority of the Crown and Parliament. This unrest eventually escalated into treason and revolution. If you guys had been in charge back then Queen Elizabeth II would be our current head of state.

 

You are totally missing what we are saying. If you feel strong enough about the OWS, go for it - any way you choose. Just don't come here to complain about police violence when they arrest you. The original colonist were not complaining about the violence of the crown when they were shot and that was what happened to them.

 

I'm sure there was complaining, but at the same time they realized that breaking the law had consequences and accepted those consequences when they occurred.

 

By "founded" I meant "according to the Constitution". We have the right to peaceably assemble, but do not have the right to infringe upon the rights of others (intimidation, destroying property belonging to others, disrupting public order, etc.). That's just chaos.

 

I know you don't get it. However, there are times when your rights are over ridden. It happens all the time. According to the Constitution you have the right to carry a gun. however, your right to carry a gun is often over-ridden due to public safety concerns. Your right to free speech is over ridden by other people right to enjoy a movie. Examples abound in modern society.
You have the right to enjoy public property. They have the right to assemble on public property. Your right does not supersede theirs. In the larger context of civil society their right to peacefully assemble trumps your right, as a single individual, to monopolize public property. Of course, you could always stage a counter-protest and have equal footing.

 

You really think that humans, being humans, didn't raise a fuss over the regulars shooting colonists. Do you imagine that they just took a c'est la vie attitude to the actions of the regulars. I can just imagine a captain telling the wife or mother of a freedom fighter something like, "Just get over it, Things like that happen. No need to get upset that we are getting killed for standing up for our rights." What a strange view of history you have.

 

You forgot genocide of the indigenous population.

 

Where does it say you can "carry a gun" in the Constitution?

 

Is this the modern American liberal way-of-thinking? That in a "larger context of civil society" my rights are quashed? Well, I'll be damned if I allow that to happen. Here's some breaking news for you, my rights are EQUAL to yours and everyone else's in the United States. Just because I may be a single voice against a multitude doesn't mean that my rights are diminished.

There is a difference between "infringing" on someone's rights and "trumping" (as you put it) someone's rights. If you truly believe that it is OK for someone (or a group of people) to "trump" someone else's rights then, well.... that gives me a little less hope for the future of this country.

 

Oh, and the Creator.

 

You mean like state governments letting people vote on marriage amendments which let the greater mass of people (religious believers) trash the rights of gay people to get married. I guess your OK with that one. The methods of democracy allow this to happen all the time. Which is why democracy is often called the tyranny of the masses.

Here is what you are missing. None of the protesters are stopping you from visiting any place where they are camping. Unless you are attacking them you can walk right into the middle of their camps on public property. However, that is not what you are wanting. You are wanting the police to say that your right to visit a place and not see things you don't want to see is more important than their right to public assembly to address grievances. So, yes, in this circumstance their right to access trumps yours. In other words your right to be an ass is trumped by their rights.

By The Way: The over ridding of other peoples rights is more often a Conservative thing than a LIberal thing. Conservatives want to say what religion has rights, which people have rights, which sexual preferences have rights and so forth. They did it with women's rights by insisting that women are inferior to men and therefore don't have the same rights. They did it with civil rights for minorities by saying that they were inferior and didn't have the same rights. They are doing it right now in regards to gay marriage which allows the majority to dictate who has the right to marry. I can point out multiple websites from conservatives which insist that Christianity should be the only religion and/or that only heterosexuals should get married. They want to push their majority opinions on the minority, but I guess that is OK with you.

I can point you to comments and articles talking about how great it is that violence is being used against protesters and calling for more extreme measures.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...goons-tased-dragged-from-wa-capital-building/

So. If you want to get all righteous about how your rights are more important and how they should trump the rights of assembly you are more than welcome to. Although, you might want to look and see who is really calling for the rights of others to be trampled before you do it. Hypocrisy abides.