Obamacare is UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!!

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Another of your predictions by the wayside. It is now being heard by the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals. Still has not made it to the Supreme Court.

 

Hey, but Weiner thinks Obamacare is a great thing- (Not good enough for his constituents but good for the rest of us).

 

Dont you actualy mean Romneycare part II?

 

Not really...Romneycare was a state program for Mass. so it was probaly legal (wrong-headed in my opinion but Constitutional). Obamacare, on the other hand, is too far reaching & expands gov't authority way beyond acceptable boundaries.

 

What it is legal to force all the citizens of one state to purchase health insurance and to penalise them with higher taxation if they dont but it is not legal for the Goverment to do exactly the same thing?? It is precisly the same David but on a larger scale and it is based on a Republican idea which is in operation right now I thought that the American constitution was the same for all citizens regardless of the State they lived in but from your answer apparently I am wrong

 

Absolutely not. The Constitution gives the states the right to regulate their own commerce, but it limits the federal government to controlling only INTERSTATE commerce. As much as I may dislike Romneycare, I know of nothing to say it is unconstitutional.

 

Yep

 

And if unemployment goes up or if the recession gets worse. These right wing fanatics will simply blame Obama.

 

I'm going to take a moment off from my lurking ways just long enough to mention that health care providers and health insurance companies essentially cross state lines. They have seperate names and such but essentially that is just to shirt having to be controled by the Feds.

~~~~~~Back to lurking....

 

That's what I was thinking. So is it the fact that the US gov is trying to oversteps its bounds that has David and his fringe in an uproar? Or is it the socialization part of it that they object to? I don't like the idea of mandatory health care no matter who or which state or government entity came up with it. I Think patients and the entire industry will suffer with socialization.

 

Separate laws, separate regulations, separate regulating bodies, separate finances, etc. and they cannot even sell across state lines. Just like GM cars made in Mexico don't follow Illinois laws even though they can sell across state lines.

 

So can one of you show me were the constitution says it is ok for states to force the entire population to buy something with the threat of punative taxation if they fail to do so? As for the gov only been alowed to controll interstate commerce well if you class forcing someone to buy healthcare within a state as been state commerce then forcing folks across the entire country is by deffinition interstate commerce

 

But cars made in Mexico is not across state lines that is across international borders but I would assume that they adhere to Mexican laws dont they?

 

That may be your daffynition, but............

 

Are you trying to ask if Mexican-made cars being imported to the US are immune from US law? The answer is no.

 

If they are sold in Illinois they must meet state law standards.

 

No David I am saying that GM would adhere to Mexican laws within mexico I dont believe I mentioned selling cars in the USA I know full well that a Imported car would have to meet US standards 1st and then the standards of the State it was destined to be sold in

 

Back to the topic....the federal gov't does not have the authority to force us citizens to purchase a product. Hopefully the courts will have the wisdom to see this.

And the question no lib will ever really answer.....why force everyone in the country into this bureaucracy when the idea, supposedly, is to insure those who do not have insurance?

 

I dont know why David all I do know that it was 1st tried by a Republican administration at State level and they got away with it! and the guy who began it all still backs it all the way Yep possibly your next Republican candidate for President Mit Romney! so lets be honest here if he does get the Presidency is he going to roll it out across the entire US of A?

 

Romney has stated that if elected, his first order of business would be to end Obama care, lol., Yeah right, just like Obama closing GITMO on his 1st day in office , lol.