Obama: Meeting with our enemies and appeasing muslims

midas just thinks the whole religion is evil and he is so rabidly anti-muslim that nothing muslims could do save to stop being muslim would ever be enough...the minute he called my wife and those good people who have never harmed a soul animals, or even calling humans animals in the first place, shows how dangerous he is. Certainly the muslims who do this are evil but they are very human. Like these muslims who call jews pigs (animals) it is frightening and dangerous when someone see's other humans as animals...and nothing can get better. So one must write them off as lost causes and hope they dont infect others...and midas tries harder than any human being I have ever seen to foster this way of thinking...

Good news for Midas though...my wife and her family are currently attempting to get the rest of her family over here because of what is going on in pakistan...so there will be 4-5 more muslims here in the US thanks to our efforts...

 

And what is happening in Pakistan is another battle line where "true" muslims who follow their prophet's life of hate, intolerance, and fighting are trying to kill those that are either infidels or "not mulsim enough".

Pakistan is on the brink because there are millions and millions of "true" muslim animals that would like nothing more than to see their women enslaved in burga's and see the rest of the world under strict, "whack-their-head-five-times-per-day" sharia and koranic doctrine.

Pakistan also has nukes and these muslim animals would love nothing more than to get their hands on them and I have no doubt they will use them. Do you?

 

here we go again...I think midas is going to kill another thread...cant you keep it in your islam rant thread? The one about how you told us so? Or are you not getting enough attention from those threads? At least this is remotely concerning islam (very remotely)...although islam is not out only enemy...

Remember when you started ranting in the thread I started about Percy Julian?

Midas accused me of starting a thread about Percy Julian ( a man I had recently seen a bio about) and NOT about islamic animals to divert attention away from the islamic menace...it seems any thread NOT about islam is a purposeful diversion from the REAL and only issue of importance...the animal muslim...most threads...if Midas is posting, are diverted into anti-islamic threads...this one will suffer that same fate sadly.

 

Hey, if B.O. is going to try to appease and reach out to these animals, then he should realize that there is no negotiation with islam. Their koran forbids it...and the only time muslim animals have entered into a peace, they did so for the sole purpose of rearming and becoming strong to a point that they can agan carry forth their jihad.

In arabic, it is called a "hudna"...it was tactic that their terrorist prophet used himself when his forces were weak, and it is allowed and followed in the muslim culture.

Look it up...read your history...hopefully B.O. will do the same and maybe his advisors will tell him that these people will NEVER come around. It has been this way since the founding of this religion.

 

But can the world afford to just "right them off"? So far this tactic hasn't worked in the past or doesn't seem to be working now. It appears they ARE infecting others. From what we see on TV, their numbers seem to be growing and their infection spreading. As indicated, even other Muslims are running from them. Eventually there may no place safe to run to and hide!

 

Midas you and others here accuse President Obama of appeasing the Muslims!! Yet who is the only politician who stated openly that he would send US forces over the border into Pakistan to kill Ossama Bin Bag and the rest of his fanatics if he had cleare evidence of were he was? But of course this goes against what you and others want to hear dont it.
You keep going on about Iraq, just what were we doing in Iraq after the overthrow of Sadam and please dont give me the bull about islamic terrorist they were not there at the time Sadam had killed them all, they were in AFGHANISTAN remember that place were the TALIBAN was and OSSAMA PLOTTED against the USA
You talk about the fighting in Pakistan yet have not once given any support for there efforts have you? Of course not they are MUSLIMS and we all HATE MUSLIMS DONT WE.
Those members of the Pakistani army are real muslims, one of my neighbours cousins is fighting in the Swat valley right now in the Pakistani army, ordinery civilians are openly supporting the goverments efforts to regain control.
Now this loss of control began under General Pervez Musharraf the good friend of the USA (Remember him)

Here is a quote from General Ashfaq Kayani (You might not have heard of him)
Baitullah Mehsud, who has his stronghold in the tribal district of South Waziristan, was "not fighting for Islam".

"They are not fighting for Islam. Pakistan was created in the name of Islam and we know how to protect it,"

http://www.theage.com.au/world/pakistan-vows-to-hunt-taliban-axis-of-evil-20090615-cap1.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/8100896.stm

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-06/15/content_11546358.htm

http://www.voanews.com/english/2009-06-15-voa15.cfm

Just a small example of those you call MUSLIM ANIMALS

 

There is a difference between talk and action. If they are just calling Jews pigs...thats just hate speech...much the same as Midas calling all Muslims animals. If all Midas does is spew hateful rhetoric...I think its okay to discount him as a crazy ignorant person.

If midas were to go out and attack Muslims...then he is a real menace. In the US we understand that Midas is a person who says things that make most civilized people cringe...calling people animals and calling for their mass death...but as long as he doesn't act on this hate he is protected. The minute he acts on it is the minute he is a criminal and a problem. I would say the same for Islam...those who call Jews pigs are disgusting hate filled idiots...those who go and kill Jews are a problem. We have hate group here in the US that say some of the most awful things...White supremist...or the church which pickets the funerals of soldiers with signs that say 'god hates fags' 'god hates the US' etc...etc...but they are allowed to do this because of the freedoms we have...sadly to protect our own freedoms we must also allow speech like this...however sickening it is.

Now I know just saying that all Muslims are not evil is seen by someone like Midas as being an apologist. But the fact is...its true. This behavior is an extreme behavior and it is certainly a problem and those who act on their disgusting beliefs are criminals and deserve to be treated as such...either by death or being locked away from civilized human being for ever...we should always remain vigilant...especially within our own borders.

As a non-interventionists...I think what goes on in the middle east is not our concern as long as it isn't brought here. I am not unsympathetic to those Muslims who are plagued by the radicals and the Jews in Israel...I just question whether anything we ever do will ever make a difference....

 

Orc...I pointed to the Aga Khan...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aga_Khan_IV

http://www.akdn.org/

http://www.theismaili.org/

the leader of about 2-3 million muslim...the Ismaili muslims...not one of this group has ever been found to be a terrorist, he is the head of the aga khan foundation that builds schools, hospitals, and habitats etc...etc...nothing but charity. He lived in Europe, married to a white woman...these are millions of muslims who would never commit acts of terrorism...many reside in Pakistan...my wife and her family follow this particular brand of islam...most are small business men and emulate the western friendly way of their leader.

Midas is very predictable...he will say 'they are not following true islam'

Sadly...he simply says any muslim that does not kill...is not a true muslim.

Of course there are all kinds of awful things in the bible...from stoning to mass murder...although they remain in the bible...along with the 10 commandments...christians arent required to follow these laws (although some group would like to)...and they can still be christians...nor are jews required to stone a woman to death if she as premarital sex...even though it is written as a law from god...and they can still be TRUE christians and jews...

but to argue these points, or any other, with him is futile...he does not care to hear anything but 'all true muslims are terrorist animals'. If you dare to point out good muslims...they are not TRUE muslims...period.

 

Very true, so very true

 

My reply in blue...

 

I did not start this thread to feed your obsession with islam, this thread was not about Islam until you came in and, as you are so predictable, and as I predicted...you have now turned this thread into a vehicle to rant about Islam...there are like 20 threads here just for that purpose and another 50 you have manage to turn into this. I am not attacking you personally, I am just saying what I see in you...its all here for anyone to read...you are very transparent. I simply see a man obsessed...a man filled with unreasoning hatred based on fear. This is your right, its my right not to bother discussing this with you. You may remember that I have attempted to discuss this issue with you rationally but it always turns into you typing long color coded missives with photos of mean Muslims to illustrate them. They always devolve into you simply denouncing the whole religion and calling for their deaths and your refusal to admit a person can be a Muslim and not kill.

I have repeated;y agreed with you that there is a problem in Islam...You have never once listened to a view point and considered it seriously or admitted you MIGHT be off. Your mind is made up and it will never change...you are sure you are right...everything you ever say is right. You are here to teach us, not to discuss...Its fitting you put 'talking' in quotes as you do not talk to anybody...you simply tell us the 'truth' and there is no room for any other view point, you are so damn sure you have it all figured out, there is no need for you to 'talk' 'debate' or 'discuss'. You no longer see these people as human (if you ever did) so now its so much easier not to bother taking them as individuals with different opinions...many of whom would never harm another human being.

You say I dont deal with issues...I have tried post after post after post in the past... but like I said...I know how you are and I know it will be a complete waste of time. I have been here for some time and I have seen your posts and how you 'talk' and I know its futile...the best we can hope for is to contain it and hope it stays in those threads that are either about islam or you have hijacked.

My last word on this is:

I have repeatedly admitted there is a problem with Islam.

I have repeated shown many instances of Muslims who never have and never will kill.

I have repeatedly shown Muslims, groups of Muslims, who have repeatedly denounced such behavior. Just like every Christian will not go out and publicly denounce the actions of 'god hates fags'...every Muslim does not go out and publicly denounce radical Islam...they are still against it and will say so if asked. Most normal everyday people whatever their religious belief do not take it upon themselves to be the mouthpiece of their religion. There is no lack of Muslims denouncing the behavior.

You calling human beings animals disgusts me and I do not want to even validate what you say by discussing anything with you...even if discussion with you were possible.

You calling my wife an animal makes you lower than pond scum. I would like to drop radicals like you and the Islam radicals all on an island, let you guys fight it out on TV...once one side wins...blow the island up and then maybe we would be rid of you all.

You are constantly trying to 'PROVE' what everyone already knows...islam has problems!! We KNOW! You arent passing on any information that most 4 year olds havent figured out already!!! You arent imparting any grand wisdom...you are just ranting the same thing over and over and over and over again.

Thanks for hijacking yet another thread with your mindless obsession...my answers to you are in rainbow...

 

It is hard to blog and converse when every single freakin subject turns into an anti muslim rant. sorry, lost me here.

 

B.O. is definitely pulling a "Neville Chamberlain". If you don't study history, you are bound to repeat it and what B.O. is doing is appeasing to "true" muslims no differantly that how Chamberlain appeased to the Nazis.

A little history for people that ignore it...

Chamberlain was the prime minister of Great Britain in 1938. He felt that Germany had been miss treated after World War I. He felt that if Hitler was appeased that Europe could avoid war...again. He had a meeting with Hitler in Munich and Hitler assured Chamberlain that all Germany wanted was the Sudetenland in Czechoslovakia and that if they would give Germany control of that land there would be no war.

An agreement was signed giving the Sudetenland to Germany. Chamberlain returned to England a hero...after all, he had brokered the deal that would save Europe from a pending war with Nazi animals (like your true muslims).

Chamberlain, like B.O., was VERY popular at the time, everyone loved him. Chamberlain like B.O. could do no wrong.

So what happened? A year later Hitler started his brutal campaign in Europe. At least 10 million people were gassed/murdered in Nazi concentration camps, and another 40 million people were killed. Opps!

Now, B.O. is appeasing the Muslim world. He literally is pulling another "Chamberlain".

Do you really think the appeasement of the muslim world will work?

Will all those millions of "true" muslim animals (like the Nazis's) stop their wars and aggression?

Will all those millions of "true" muslim animals (like the Nazis's) stop their jihad and denounce all of the hate, intolerance and the life and misdeeds of their founding pedophile terrorist prophet?

Will all those millions of "true" muslim animals (like the Nazis's) welcome Israel into the international community?

We are going through pretty much the exact same situation as the free world offered in 1938. Just different actors...but on a larger world-wide level with 1.2 billion muslims plus that see their koran and prophet as perfect, when history and their ACTIONS all demonstrate otherwise.

Go ahead and offer proof otherwise...this should be interesting.

 

OK Midas what country has he turned over to THE MUSLIMS, go on just one, please name me a single solitery itsy bitsy little one.
Now on to Chamberlin sure he did the whole appesment thing but Britain was in no position to go to war with Germany in 1938, what you forget to mention was that he began preperations to fight even when he was speaking peace, Bomber command was told to draw up a list of possible targets and 2 divisions were prepaird for a trip to France. Why on earth do you think he was so well regarded by other politicians and was a member of Churchils cabinet in 1940 after stepping down as Prime Minister?
Did you know that the British goverment of the day was unsure of Commonwealth support in the event of war? Also it was the Appeser Chamberlin who said any attack on France/Switzerland/Belgium/Holland was a attack on Britain, he doubled the size of the British army from 13 to 26 divisions in 1939.
Add to that he was dying with cancer, he gave my country a fighting chance.

Try reading American historian Simon K. Newman's book March 1939 before you start commenting on what Chamberlin actualy did.

 

thank you!!

 

Seen it before DanR but watched it again. Matthews did not make James look like an idiot. He did it himself.
"appeasement is the key word" he actually nailed it there albeit unknowingly.

It's a word tossed out with no proof, no clue and no definition. However it is VERY effective to the minions that listen to crap like this

He's an appeaser! As DeOrc has pointed out he's still waiting for a definition (in another thread). I gave one laced with sarcasm and based in reality. My reality at least but I DID answer.

 

From De Orc: OK Midas what country has he turned over to THE MUSLIMS, go on just one, please name me a single solitery itsy bitsy little one?

Obviously, you haven't read any history. Case in point... the first 3,100 years of recorded history, from 2,500 BCE to 600 CE, there isn't a single documented case to be found anywhere in the world of arabs leaving Arabian penisula to conquer or plunder any country.

BTW...this area was surrounded by warring nations like the Babylonians, Assyrians, Egyptians, and later by the Persians, Greeks, and Roman Byzantines. The Arabs (before islam ruined these people) had a record as peaceful as any race in human history. They were rich in math (which gave us our numbering system) and science. Look how advanced the Eqypt was before islam ruined it!

But wait!!...Muhammad invents Islam in the seventh century and for the next one hundred years, Arabs, now forced and enslaved to be muslims, became the world's most savage barbarian animals.

After depriving their own people of freedom and prosperity, muslims have plundered the world from India to Spain.

Here's a map to help you...

Islamic expansion under forced conversion, ransom and death (per the koran) shown in green, which was mohammad's favorite color:



As for Chamberlain, history has proven he was on the wrong side of it for dealing with Hitler no differantly than how the west today deals with "true" islam.

After all, it was Winston Churchill himself that said, "An appeaser is one that holds on to a tiger's tail hoping it will eat him last."

 

Name a single country that the person you called a muslim appeser has handed over to the muslims, now I take it you have heard of Philip the Arab LOL? or did he pass you by, also Muslims are a religion and not a race so saying that no Arab had invaded anywere is rather stupid.
Would you care to tell me were the Italians had invaded prior to the advent of Rome? or how about the Germans prior to the Unification of Germany?

You accused President Obama of doing what Chamberlin did and handing countries over to a agressor now I asked you to back your words up but you cant.
And History proved that if Chamberlin had not bought us the time to rearm ourselfs we to might have fallen to Hitler.
You seem incabable of differentiating between a country/race and a religion, or even between the major differences within a religion!

How about a map of the Christian world



The islamic one sort of looks a bit smaller there dont it

Roman Empire



Alexanders conquest



Or how about Ghengis Khans empire



I could go on the empire founded by Mohamed grew and then it fell apart the same way that all the other empires I have shown did, there was nothing special about it. It was no more bloodthirsty than any other of a similar period. The expansion of the religion proceeded in the same manner as the Christian one did now if you want to argue that it did not then do try.