Obama: Meeting with our enemies and appeasing muslims

Can you believe this? Obama shaking the hands of Chavez and wanting to sit down with one of our enemies and talk? Certainly this means that he hates America!?! I cant think of any other president who would smile, act friendly with and even give a small token to an enemy of our country. You would never see a good, god fearing, freedom loving president doing that...wait...

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never mind...Newt said Reagan was 'brave' for meeting with our enemies and trying to find common ground

 

and what about Obama and his disgusting bow to the king of Saudi Arabia...can you believe that? The way Obama appeases the Muslims is disgusting...I cant think of anything worse...oh...wait



at least it doesn't get any more surreal and...embarrassing...





never mind...nothing could be worse than Obama bowing so the Saudi King could put a medal around his neck.

 

When I stop laughing I might respond again

 

What Drusus failed to mention was that the USA defeated and closed the soviet empire. Dont laugh to hard Steve untill you read the last chapter.

What scares me is that this person is allowed to vote.

 

I think that you made your point in a very clever way.

 

Yes Jack they did bring down the soviets and this is what some of us are trying to point out, they coudnt have done it without those meetings, yet if President Obama speaks or meets a slightly left leaning head of state he is critizised by a large number of Americans, I have seen him called a A** liking apologisic socialist LOL
He bowed to the Saudi king, yep he did it but he did not kiss hug and walk round holding bloody hands with him.
I have just watched his speach to the Arab world in Cairo and am waiting to see what twist some of the right wing element will put upon it to try and show him in a bad light.
Jack I have absolutly no problem at all someone railing at the man when he has actualy done something wrong, but I do find that in the name of decency if nothing else I am stepping in to defend someone I dont even like LOL
I have to say that for the most part the guy's here are quite civilized on some of the other forums though LOL.
On another forum some of the guys are passing comments about Ossama bin bags lates ranting and disparaging the President and in the same breath saying he is not doing enough to combat terrorists. He is the guy who went on reckord to say he would be willing to send troops cross border into Pakistan if he thought they could kill Ossama and his mob without waiting for Pakistan to agree are those the words of a scared man? just now he said in no uncertain tones that the said the bond with Israel was "unbreakable".

 

Exactly...I never did think Reagan meeting with our #1 enemy was a terrible thing. What it did was establish a relationship if nothing else. You need to be willing to sit down and work things out...it might not work but at least you can say you tried. Our presidents have also met with the presidents of China and other middle eastern and south american nations that have terrible human rights records.

Here we have a President who is holding hands as he strolls along with the leader of a nation who has a dismal human rights record, treats women like dogs, whose nation is the #1 source for torrorists and their propoganda. Then he plants one right on his lips. Bush also met with the president of Communist China (see pic above) with a friendly smile and hand shake, a place that forces women to have abortions and oppresses freedoms of all types. Probably China is our REAL number one threat, not any arab.

WHAT, if you dont mind, does KISSSING the king of Saudi Arabia say about the US!! If just reaching out to the muslim world in a simple speech means we are now a MUSLIM nation...what does holding the hands and the kissing of one of the most important figures in islam means? Looks like a little more than reaching out...maybe a reach around? I wonder if that kiss tasted like evil...

I am certainly no fan of Obama...I could easily list 10 things that MATTER that he has screwed up without ever having to dig into completely senseless issues like whether he did a curtsy to a king.

Oh, and I have been saying from the VERY beginning that we should be in Pakistan...the radicals are swarming that place and if they dont like it, tough ****...we should have went in the second it became apparent that Bushs idea of dumping billions of our tax money into the Pakistani economy wasnt going to get them off their asses to do ANYTHING of significance to stem the problem. Instead we went to Iraq to settle old scores....yay! Not to mention we allow a nation with radical islam and a miltary dictator develop nukes and did little to stop them. So in the words of our resident hate monger...'I told ya so!!'

and yes...I vote...but dont worry...I throw them away on candidates that have no chance of winning most of the time.

 

I agree, well done

 

One thing you have left out of your pics Drusus is the story. Pics are good, congrats. Now lets put some context with them.

Reagan never went on a world tour performing the Monica on terrorist leaders, shook hands with Holocaust deniers or accepted anti American books from communists.

Reagan never apologised for Americas sins. Like for example liberating millions of muslims in Kuwait ( when they were attacked by muslims from Iraq) , liberating Iraquis from a ( muslim terrorist Saddam), or sending food to starving Somalis, Kurds, and Afganastani's.

Reagan went overseas with a position of strength, pride in America, and resolut in her powers. Not once did RR or W apologise for America pouring bloody soldier after bloody soldier into war to protect others. Ask France, England, Italy, hell, ask Kuwait if they are thankful of the American military machine.

America, according to Obama , should be more like the muslims. Hey, great idea bud. Sure, lets stone our women, chop heads off dissenters and hands off theives. Lets make women a possesion and revoke their right to vote, work or drive a car. hell, lets not educate them either.

As far as I can remember, RR or W never went on a tour of the world proclaiming America sucks, WE need to change, not the head choppers or women torturers.

Again, RR or W never campaigned as a christian while denouncing " rumors of muslim background" as a radical right wing frenzy and scare tactic, only to tour the mideast proudly boasting of his muslim heritage. This is not at all a rant against muslims, this is a rant against dishonesty.

Boca Raton campaign rally: "My father is an agnostic"
Egypt:" My father was a muslim. A son born to a muslim father is a muslim"

Campaign: " You better be careful using my middle name, thats dirty politics"
In Egypt: " I am Barack Hussein Obama with muslim heritage:"

Dont you see a bit of weakness here, a bit of shystering, hoodwinking, bamboozeling? Dare I say " jiving"

Religion aside, I find this pictorial entertaining, but please look deeper. Be honest with yourself. You have been sold a bill of goods. Bought a product. Billy Mays could not have sold this candidate better, not even at $19.95 plus shipping.

 

Steve, does your mum know you are up this late? After that comment I can picture you in the basement in your Harry Potter pajamas hoping mum dont catch you up this late.

Bond with Isreal?

Campaign: " A nuclear Iran is unnaceptable, a game changer"

As president: " Iran has a right to nuclear power"

Dude, Steve, are you freaking kidding me?

BO has told Isreal to go F themselves. Stop building on their own land is an example.

When are you going to be honest with youself and admit you have bought a bill of goods? " as seen on TV " is a slogan here in the USA. You have bought the product hook ,line and sinker.

We'll get into the big tax lie later, not this thread.

My god, bud, I'm actually laffin here. WOW, if only I could sell so easily.

 

And you Jack are insulting I am in my Hobbit Pj's Oh and my Mum is dead

Lets get down to cases here Jack show me were Obama has done all this apologising, were he has said America sucks?

Show me were he has told Israil to go F themselfs?
President after President going back to the Camp David meeting with Arafat (a rather well known Terrorist) have said that Israil must stop there expansion (Want to tell me I am wrong on that?)

A Iran with Nuclear wepons is what the man said Jack, and you dont have the right to dictate to any country how it produces it's power, you can say NO to Nukes though they are two different things.

Want to show me were Obama actualy said America should be more like the Muslims Jack, or that America is a Muslim nation or any other assertions like that?

Take some time Jack to actualy listen to what the man has said rather than listen to what others say he has said.

On the Pakistan thing he actualy said it, when Bush and McCain were happily singing about what a great ally to the USA Pakistan was.

Now do you realy want to talk about People that other American Presidents have met and supported?

 

yes, you are right Jack...Reagan only sold weapons to Iran to interfere in south American politics and fund the contra

No, Reagan never performed the Monica on terrorist leaders...though George Bush held hands with them and kissed them...not terrorists of course...that is hyperbole...its was the leader of a nation with highly questionable actions.

Reagan met with the #1 enemy to the US at the time...certainly as Obama does...trying to open diplomacy with them. He did not go over there and banging his chest and proclaiming how much greater America is than the USSR...he met as equals. But he met with them as did George Bush with China and the Saudi regime of terrorists (kissing him...its disgusting and embarrassing). He met to find a middle ground and I am sure he was open to making concessions.

It doesn't shock me you insist that they are different. I would think the only difference I see between all of them meeting with enemies of the US and trying to patch things and open a dialog is that, indeed, Obama has admitted that the US has made some mistakes in the past. I agree with him.

You can say I am anti-American in thinking this...but you are wrong as I love America. Every time I come back to the US I feel like I have come home and there is no other place I would want to live...but I am not blind and I know that not only has the US and its agencies screwed up often on the world stage, it has also screwed up in its treatment of its own citizens...little by little becoming more authoritarian as if we, as adults, are like children who need to have our hands held or told what is moral and not moral by hypocrites and amoral politicians.

I love America and think it the greatest country on earth but it is not perfect. I recently read a book filled with declassified CIA document for the last 30 year and boy have we screwed up in the past. Why would NORMAL EVERYDAY Iranian hate the US? Maybe because we, like with many nations in south America and the middle east, interfered with their internal politics...our interference in Iranian affairs is one of the big factors why they went the exact opposite direction. When I travel as an American and I travel a lot outside the US for my job, I find that insisting that America is perfect and the greatest country on earth comes off to others a pompous and insulting. They also think their country is great.

In the end...FOR ME America is the greatest...for others this is not the case...and more power to them as they have the right to live under the system THEY like and they don't want an American coming into their country preaching about how great the US is and how superior we are to them and how they should do things our way...we should not dictate to them how they should be, any more than we want a Norwegian coming here and preaching about how great their system is and how awful we are. Our leaders should not enter another nation in good will then start brow beating them from a high horse as if they are children.

while in Norway I had a discussion with a man who seemed to think Norway has the best system of government in the world and he was very down on Americans as brash, pompous, arrogant, etc...It got a bit uneasy and heated...but in the end...I agreed that SOME Americans CAN come off as arrogant, that America has made some mistakes. I pointed out problems I saw with America, in the end he pointed out problems he saw with Norway...he saw I was not pushing the American way down his throat, he did not push the Norwegian way...we both admitted faults and praised the good...had a beer and are now friends. There is nothing wrong with admitting fault if there is fault to admit, it often makes the other side more amicable to admitting their own fault. I find that so many people in this world simply will not admit if they are wrong...its like a sign of weakness to them...to me its a sign of strength to know when you are wrong. I don't think Obama is reaching out to terrorists as much as reaching out to the millions who are NOT and hoping to inspire them to go another way...either way...I DO think that he could be a bit more proud of his country in the end.

That being said...I have never heard Obama say that Muslims are perfect and without blame. He reached out to the average Muslim to show that the US does not hate Muslims but indeed offers them refuge. My own wife came from a Muslim nation to the US and is grateful for it.

Unlike what Midas would like to rant, there are MANY Muslims that are just average Joes (ali's?) and find themselves powerless to do anything...they just want to work, make a good living, support a family. They don't want to be a spokesman for the religion and all those who have done awful things in its name...nor should they be required to apologize for the actions of others. If you are a Christian and a Christian kills someone in the name of God...do you as a Christian feel that YOU should apologized for it? Should someone like my wife and her family apologize or take it upon themselves to be a spokesman for their religion and apologize for the action of others...they are busy, tax paying, law abiding citizen who do not involve themselves in politics or the Jamat...they are just average people. Who...BTW...living in a small East Texas town...downplay the fact they are Muslim (dishonest I know)

I see nothing wrong with admitting America has faults...in the end...it does not change that radicals will still always be the enemy of the US whatever faith they do their deeds in the name of. Obama has made that clear. He clearly was not trying to appease terrorists as much as find common ground. I will admit that I DO think he does not say enough about the good America has done because I do believe it is his job to be our representative and advocate to the world. While there is nothing wrong in my opinion in admitting fault...it should be better balanced with all the good we have accomplished and all we have given the world as well.

So I am not defending him as much as saying I do not believe he is cozying up to terrorists. Unless like Midas who simply thinks all Muslims are animals and terrorists. If you think this you are wrong...and calling my wife an animal who voted for Bush and support his war against terror in hopes things might become better for women there. As it is, in Iraq...the plight of women has become worse as they enjoyed more freedoms under Pan arabic sunni rule than under Shiite rule.

As for Obama's middle name...I do not in any way blame him for downplaying it...in a nation with people who lump all Muslims as evil...I would do the same thing and without doubt it was used against him as much as it could be...during the campaign people were using his middle name every time they mentioned him to stress it. You didn't see them using McCain's middle name. There is a reason why they didn't use McCain middle name but used Obama's... to say the republicans didn't have a field day with his ties to Islam would be dishonest.

Tell me...I am an agnostic but I downplay this in my real life. If the topic of religion comes up I try not to say anything but if pressured...I have said I am Christian in a group of Christians who have power over my employment thus my ability to support my family and get ahead....Is this dishonest? Probably...but I have been fired from a job for not being Christian...If I had instead hid my true religious beliefs...I would not have been put in such a situation.

I still do my job and do it well...it shouldn't matter what I believe and it is none of their business but in the end...if I stand out in a group as a person with a different belief...not only that but one that they believe is not only wrong but in some eyes...horrendous...I become a person they don't understand and are uncomfortable around.

 

It's not his words Steve, it's his actions. Like any politician, you have to ignore what they say and interpet it, translate it into truth. You do this by taking everything into context, not just a 6000 word speech ( I have read it in it's entirety )

 

Drusus, I will read your novel.....just not now. I appreciate you taking the time to post such a response. No time now, but I will read it.

THANK YOU

 

My opinion of Drusus has changed. I welcome your dissent, you have explained it in an intelligent manner and proven yourself not a koolaide drinker.

thumbs up drusus, i will never knock you for beliefs you believe in........passion is imperative, required if you play in this game. Sheeple, you are not.

 

thanks AJ...I honestly appreciate the kind words...

 

I would suggest that "not muslim enough" muslims like Druscus's wife and other apologists should spend more time trying to reach out to the "true" muslim population and convert them with the same zeal that is used by appeasers to try and deflect blame onto other peoples and faiths.

Frankly, I don't know how you'll do it with no authoritative hiearchy and with all those koranic passages of hate and fighting that pretty much tell you that you are a dead person if you try to address "true" muslims...but good luck with that.

For "moderate" muslims and their apologizing friends who pretend these kinds of serious issues don't exist, trying to whitewash them, or deflect the blame will only continue to give the muslim community as a whole, a black eye.

Innocent people who don't want islam in their lives and don't give a rat's butt about it should not have to suffer needlessly as a result because people stick their heads in the sand. And like it or not, if the matter is not handled internally by so-called "not-muslim-enough-muslims", us infidels on the outside will blame the wider community and have to fight those jihadists on our own - that's human nature, whether you like it or not.

I know...the truth hurts

 

So you are saying that we should throw our support behind those who oppose the muslim fundamentalists? is that correct?

 

Absolutely...we need to support those people that will denounce the koran and all of the hate in it as well as all of the terrorist actions of thier founding prophet.

Once a person realizes that islam is NOT a religion of intolerance and peace, the better.

 

So we should have supported Sadam and not removed him from power then, after all he was very anti fundamentalist and killed them at will.