New Presidential Dollars 2006 or 2007?

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Go US Mint Go!

 

That's right...let's put good 'ole Filmore in a dollar coin:



He deserves to be on a coin instead of something like the below concept dollar.

After all, the CCAC deemed liberty as "too political" and our coins deserve to honor some of the biggest losers in American politics. They are meeting at the ANA meeting and boy, would I love to "lobby" them left & right (no pun intended). Hey kids, did you get your Chester B. Arthur dollars yet?

Even if H.G. Wells could take a hand full of these Presidential dollars into the future, they will not be worth much. We will all be back to ashes before any future numismatic posts on forums like this to check out his MS66 James Buchanon dollar...what a beauty!!

Wait, let's not stop there, let's throw the President wives on $10 gold coins. Now that's a winning idea. I can't wait to order mine, can you?

 

nothing can top the many images of Lady Liberty, no arguement here. But, I am glad the Mint is atleast doing something and offering many designs, and I can only hope that Lady Liberty coins are forthcoming from them.

I still appluad their efforts and I hope it leads to continued design changes..

 

QueenKoin is right on!

When I was teaching, we celebrated Millard Fillmore's birthday by bringing a Happy Birthday Millard cake to school. Kids had to look up at least one interesting fact about him...and that wasn't easy.

It was a sort of joke but became a tradition. Kids and teachers got a big kick out of it. Later it spread to research about other notables, not just Presidents.

So, perhaps, thinking along those lines, the Presidential coin series isn't such a bad idea.

 

I am all for "this day in ____ year" and whose birthday it is...at least you did your job of teaching our children about history. I bet you gave out tests instead of asking them how they "felt" about Millard Fillmore.

That's not the job of the US Mint. Otherwise, we will emulate 3rd World countries that put their ruler on coins just to show the population whose in charge. It is a sad state of affairs that we have to put presidents on coins just to help educate today's students. Think about it...I would bet a week's salary that your typical high school graduate couldn't even name 10 US Presidents, much less use these dollars in day-to-day transactions.

If you want a commen. coin, that would be great...not coins for true circulation and commerce.

 

Midas:

Of course we disagree on the coins. However we would probably agree on many things regarding public education. My wife and I are both retired teachers, and we can only hope change for the better comes about. If not, future generations are in trouble.

 

Gary...here, here. Couldn't agree with you more.

I will leave you with a teacher's story passed along to me about this very subject.

When I went to school, I had math problems like this in first grade:

"It costs a logger $80 for a truck load of trees. He sells them for $100. What is his profit?"

Today, the same math question is asked to high school students:

"A logger sells a truck load of trees for $100, write an essay about how the trees feel about this."

 

Midas:

Good story.

One of my numerous collections, other than coins, is high school yearbooks. It's really interesting to see what they were like in the teens, 20's, 30's, etc. You find that students were producing the books themselves, with some help I'm sure, and their work was great. Subjects in school included Greek, French, German, Latin, all sorts of math. They learned how to actually write a sentence where words were spelled correctly, and the thought made sense. Not a darn thing about how important it was to feel good about themselves! Perhaps a tad of that sort of philosophy is needed, however a little bit of that goes a long ways. I think my wife and I retired just in time.

Sorry for straying from coins.

 

wow, nice of all you older people to trash talk schools, when you havent been in one for how long?(decades) How about trash talking "bad" presidents? Thats sad when none of you know how much the president works for his country, all you guys can do is say he was bad while you probably dont do anything for ur community or even yourselves. Whats our debt again? anybody? What would the dollars help the gov do to fix the debt? Before you guys say some 1 was a bad president, shut up, and try it yourself, aight?

not even close

Whats with you guys and SBA? Was she a bad person? Leave her be and stop making fun of her. Yes, the dollar was a mistake, which is why it ended. Alright, its official.

 

Spider, I trust you were being humorous, otherwise your testimony to outcomes based education is stunningly complete.

By your statements I assume you are in favor of a presidential business strike series and adamantly against either a presidential commemorative series or the prospect of none at all. Tough to tell through all the emoting.

Many people think the design of the SBA made for an ugly coin. That has little to do with what people think of Ms. SBA herself. Loose your venom on the coin designers if anyone. Either way, I don't think Ms. SBA has any feelings on the subject

 

Spider, I bash the public schools and I am 19! I was homeschooled until I was 13! Went to private school for one year and puplic for 2. The public schools barely had anything to teach me so I guit and got my GED. I ranked in the top 1% in math and science, top 7% in history, and top 27% in reading and writing in the nation. I am now taking an accounting class through a community college and near the top of the class.

 

In 1976, then governor Jimmy Carter promised the teacher's unions if he were elected he would establish the Department of Education. Well he won and this department has spent more than a $600 billion dollars (that not a typo...billion) for mending our kid's young minds.

What did we get other then a nice 10 story building taking up a city block in D.C.? Test scores of American students (compared to other countries) are near the bottom for both science and math. Also, if you read (try to) some of the writings of our younger generation, they really don't have a clue about sentence structure, grammar, and basic spelling. It is too bad all of "our" money could not go directly to our own city or school. But as the Department of Education will tell you, Washington knows what is best in Florida, New York, etc., than us people living there. $600 billion not enough? Well how do some people plan to fix education? MORE TAX MONEY!

I'm only 45 and if I wasn't paying attention in school, my Dad wacked me across the head telling me, "Pay Attention". He didn't drug me and claim I had A.D.S. If I failed, I received a "F" written in a RED letter. Opps...can't have that today has this could hurt the feelings of the failing student. We should write down, "Try harder".

Wait...let's not have grades because it is unfair that some learn faster than others. Let's dumb down test scores (like they did a couple years back with SAT's) so that everybody can do well. That way they can feel better and all cozy inside. That's right...today's generation is taking easier SAT tests then I had so more people do well. Want to fix a problem, just dumb down the test...but DON'T complain when U.S. students rank near/at the bottom when it comes to science and math scores.

I still believe that if you were to randomly pick 10 high school graduates and ask them to name 10 presidents, they COULD NOT. History aside, give $2.01 to a high school cashier (i.e., Burger King) for a total of $1.76 and they look at you puzzled as to why you did that!?!

Since Independence Day is less than 24 hours passed, go ahead and ask a high school graduate, "What country did the United States claim their independence from?" Again, you get this look:

So...if you want to learn about presidents, they should be taught and tested. Bring back real grades and real tests. Presidential coins WILL NOT help.

Otherwise, Jay Leno will have endless material when he takes to the streets...courtesy of the Department of Education!

 

AMEN.
This country is supposedly for the free, but all I see are money loving socialistswho want my money.

 

I hate to say it fellas but that is exactly who we are leaving this country to in the future. Midas had the time line down right as to how we got in this fix, but left out one important ingrediant. The parents who couldn't take the time to make sure "junior" got an education. All you had to do is drop him off at some boys and girls club and they would take care of them until you returned. The NEA with its "feel nice about yourself" teachings and the publics willingness to allow them to lower standards all contrubuted.
We had the "baby boomers" followed by the "X" generation etc. We have now come down to what is being called in many circles as the "entitled" generation. They feel they are entitled to anything they want, because it has always been that way growing up. One mell of a hess, if you ask me.
My only advice is love your kids and keep them close. Home schooling is not out of the question these days, as it just may be the only form of education where a person learns any thing of value..
Having said all that, I still don't feel any better. so I'll quit for now.

 

Spider:

My wife and I have a combined 65 years as teachers, giving us, I feel, the right to bash (criticise) education. I am proud of the school system we worked in, due to the fact that a great deal of freedom was given to teachers to teach what they felt needed taught. Frankly, a great majority of criticism I have was with students who moved into our system and couldn't write a sentence, or read. And then we had (still have) a large influx of Mexican nationals who cannot speak English, and have different values, all adding to teaching headaches.

When you have large numbers of students, already in middle school, who can't read, write, add, subtract, or reason, yep, there's a problem. Someday we as a society will wake up. I just hope it's not too late.

Lawdog, OldDan, Midas:

Your posts were great. You obviously know what's going on. Thanks for your wisdom!

 

Geesh, students telling teachers to "shut up". Pretty much sums it all up doesn't it! I get this every week at work from the 16-19 yr olds that work for me. As with youngsters today, we all knew more than anyone when we were that age, difference is we had more respect for our elders and would NEVER had told them to "Shut Up" especially on a public forum to people you've never met.

 

AMEN
The homeschoolers are some of the best kids I know. Most of them have no interest in computer games, and are usually farmers.

I am the oximoron of that though.

 

Gary...as a former teacher, grade the following two "sentences":

"What would the dollars help the gov do to fix the debt? Before you guys say some 1 was a bad president, shut up, and try it yourself, aight?"

Admit it...you are shaking your head aren't you? I bet you and your wife are releaved that you don't have to deal with this mess anymore.

I was fortunate to have some tough and no-nonsense teachers that set me straight. If they called my house, I was automatically guilty/grounded as my parents supported these tough teachers instead of buckling to my whining. It was called "tough love"...something kids today have no concept of!

 

I made it through 35 years of teaching with never having been told to "shut up," or "****off" by a student. My wife also made it through her 30 years with little disrespect. However, such things were starting to happen at the middle school level as I recall, just about the time I retired in 2000.

Who's to blame? Parents? Society? Television? All of the above, plus others.

I am concerned about the future. Not only education, but our political direction. Won't get that started however.

If you look at our history, it often takes the public a while to wake up. Let's hope that awakening comes soon, before it's too late.

With these dire thoughts expressed, back to coins. Tomorrow I intend to buy a Dansco Walking Liberty Half album, andget busy trying to fill it.

 

I would be willing to take that bet...

I think your average joe is smarter than most of us give them credit for. And I don't really think it has to do so much with reminding people who's in charge or teaching people about history.