Muslims and western society

Well, at first I though you were missing the point, but now I see your purposly avoiding the point because you have no real answer for it to keep in line with your agenda.

No, you contradicted yourself:

"Ihe fact that Islamic women have less bureaucratic support than Western women does not make the trauma of the actual rape any worse."

"Oh, I know. I agree that the aftermath for Islamic women is worse. I also consider them to be more oppressed, but that's just my Westernised view of it."

In the first statement, you claim the less support does not make the trama worse, in the second, you seem to be agreeing with me and admit that the horrible treatment "after" the rape makes the rape worse.

Being as the after effect of the rape is part of the rape (unless the victim is killed in the process) then we must consider the entire event, from attack to living life after the event, clearly the muslim woman getting raped is ten times worse than the American being raped.


That is not to defend any rapist, I believe all rapists should have "severe" penalties, in cases where it is not a "he said/she said" event, I believe the men should never get the chance to rape again, but that is just me.

Common knowledge darling, if you cannot even admit to basic principles like this, there is no real point talking to you.

So you cannot understand how the women being treated like garbage by the government "after" the rape, when she is already vulnerable and scared, could be worse than the American system?


You know darn well I was talking of how the government views the rapes and their requirement to have 4 men back up her claim or she is considered to be telling lies.

They are faulted by their silence, their refusal to respond because their other agenda of being politically correct is more important to them so they refuse to speak out.

Groups like the ACLU are 100% liberal. Their choices of what to attack, and what not to attack helps to control things like school systems. Teachers, teachers unions, public employees, etc.... are all proven to be mostly liberal people.


Liberals run these things, so their agenda of political correctness flourishes in these places.

It is not just what you say, it is how you say it.

Your snide comments and personal attacks are the biggest problem.

You cannot have a logical discussion if your words are driven by emotional motives.

I never dodge anything, if you did not understand my reply, please explain what parts were difficult for you and I will gladly expand my reply for you to assist in your understanding.

No, I never make assumptions, I do make decisions based on what I see though and at this point, all of the posts you have made show a decided liberal slant and the willingness to ignore facts, even twist facts to persue your agenda of being political correct.

In this specific case, you downplayed the severe nature of the muslim attitude tword women by making theor problem sound no worse then what is happening in places like America. That downplaying is only intended to preserve an inaccurate picture of real events in muslim culture so your actions show you are in fact defending their actions.

But inaccurately comparing them is.

It is you who attempted to downplay the severity of the muslim rape issue, not me.

Now your playing a Wez card, when you liberals say stuff like that, all I picture is a little girl, hands over her ears, closed eyes, screaming "I know you are but what am I?"


But I do agree, your not like me, I don't allow myself to post through emotions.

 

A liberal? I'm not a label, jackass. I'm wez.

You must dead then.. cool trick.


So what's your point with all this? To justify our countries war on Islam? China aborts girls and kills students, The US has a long history of subjugating women, what is your point? Yes, women are oppressed in Islamic nations to a serious degree.. We should cut all ties with Saudi Arabia, right?

 

Your a Wez, and a Wez is a liberal, many other things to be sure, but definately a liberal.

You know, if you would just pay attention you would not have to ask so many questions.

Damn, you remind me of an ex I had, we would watch a movie and she would ask me three or four questions every time about what is going on.


I will try again, please read the topic title, this is about the way some muslims move from the societies and want the new society to change to accept their beliefs. Part of the discussion has gone to some of the beliefs we do not want to become accepted in our society.

 

You need to ask why the left wishes to promote Muslim immigration that undermines the civil liberties the left claims to hold so dear.

 

Surely you have the answer, Hugo? You always seem to

 

I'll give the short answer for now...it is because socialism trumps civil liberties.

 

Exactly, I remember reading somewhere many years ago that a socialist agenda was to force increases in the minimum wage. It was considered the easiest method to redistribute wealth from the rich to the poor.

By increasing the wage of the least desirable segment of the workforce, you basically give everyone else a pay cut because basic goods and services will balance back to the lowest earner standard, in other words, the "percentage" of their income the minimum wage earner spends on things like milk and bread will forever stay the same.

Pricew will just adjust to make sure of that.

 

Ok. But please know that I'll be waiting for the long answer on this one

 

I figured you would.