Muslims and western society

No sh*t, pretty sick when people cheer at murder. That's how the 20th hijacker got caught 20 miles from me in a county jail. Whooping it up..


I remember being a bit disgusted at my buddy cheering at the TV too on the opening day of the invasion all those years ago.. I told him, "f*ckin A dude, it's not a football game, there's people dying under those explosions. " Hahahahahahaha

 

The bombings in London where orcastrated from a Mosque and the clergy where advocating violence but nobody spoke up. Where were the moderate Muslims in that mosque?

 

Course they would Snaf, although, they don't feel as though those people are innocent, otherwise, they wouldn't kill them.

And likewise, if you as an individual were in that situation, you may resort to suicide bombings as well. I don't think all these people are insane to not want to be under the control of another cultures military.

 

The problem with idiots like Wez is he must defend any and all elements that attack or degrade the government he hates. It is like the old saying, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". Wez sees the government and established order as his enemy, and even though terrorists and such do things he may find distastful, he likes the results of their attacks on society so he supports them and does everything he can to derail any real discussion against them.


I point out two recent topics, this one and the one about muslims rioting, both times Wez comes out using misdirection and trying desperately to make everything about his personal attacks so all discussion about the real topic gets lost in flame wars.


Wez is so transparent it is funny, he is everything he claims we are. He is intolerant of anything American, western, or governmental, no matter what it is, he will damn everything to do with these things.


Let's look at an example of Wez changing the subject, he started talking about Catholics molesting children, while I agree that these are scum that need to be executed, this has nothing to do with this discussion. Catholics are not trying to change local laws to allow sharia law, they are not killing innocent girls for not covering their faces, Catholics are not trying to end all established holidays. Catholics are not demanding special treatments paid for my our tax money like foot baths and special, all muslim classes in public schools to allow their daytime prayers.




Let's try to keep this on track, the topic is about how muslims refuse to fit into the societies they move to and instead want the established society to change to suit them. If you cannot talk about this topic, please take it elsewhere.

 

Good one, Dr.

Then why was your first post in here what wez was or wasn't doing to you/TJ?

I thought he was arguing that muslims destroyed Christmas.


If they did speak out, would you understand what they were saying? Might not be in the war plan to bombard us with translated muslims speaking out against killing people.

I believe in the words of Jesus, and have watched you act the opposite of them. You believe Jesus was God. So in your eyes, I do believe in the word of God.

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Get what Jesus is saying?

 

Sounds to me like you think I, and muslims should change to suit you. Last I knew, this was America, or not.

By the way, I don't hate anything or anyone like you, stop putting words in my mouth for the tenth time.

 

Your very actions to defend terrorists and rioters shows your true hatred, you cannot hide behind your lies Wez.

If you agreed that what they do is wrong, you would support the actions needed to stop them, being as you both defend them and attack the measures used to stop them, clearly your hatred boils over against your own government and people in favor of them.

And you dare to say you follow the preachings of Jesus, Jesus would never make excuses for terrorists blowing up busses filled with school children or daycare centers, your just sick.

 

yep, and if my if my religion was coercing it's children to wear suicide vests, if people in my church were killing their children for not covering their faces, if I was demanding that everyone who doesn't believe the same as I do be executed-

You had better believe that I would want someone to step in and say something- even if I didn't know any better. Absolutely.



In fact, that is just what i have done regarding some Christian Fundamentalist groups: Spoken up to make sure those around me know that this is not typical Christian behavior, nor is it endorsed by God.

 

What lie is that? That killing people is wrong, period, or the lie that it's wrong for everyone but you and your country?

They are as wrong as those who invade foriegn nations under the banner of a government in the name of "stopping them" from doing and being what we are. That's pretty f*cked up.

Nor would he condone murdering people for natural resourses, humanitarian, or any other reason you can pull out of your ass to condone murdering people and calling it something else.

I'm sick? Hahahahahaha

 

But your a lier, you only claim it is wrong to kill if it is America doing it, you fully support muslims doing it.

You either believe it is all wrong or you don't, clearly your actions prove you believe terrorists killing innocent children is a good thing the way you always defend them.

Nope, it is a good thing to stop terrorists, maybe a child you care about will be killed by a terrorist so you can care about the innocent being killed but until that day comes, we will do what needs to be done while you sit back and defend terrorists.

And yet I don't try to pretend to be a Jesus freak, you do.

You claim to follow the teachings of Jesus but you defend terrorists, that is what makes you sick.






Again, I ask you leave your personal attacks out of this discussion. Start a new thread and attack America all you want but I am attempting to discuss the muslim refusal to blend into the society they moved to and why so many people believe we should allow this to happen.



I ask any moderator to please split this topic if Wez continues to ignore the topic at hand.

 

How the f*ck did you come to that conclusion? How many times do i have to say it? Intentionally killing people is wrong, period.

Duh, My name is TJ, I put words in peoples mouths and keep going until it becomes reality.

The government had a hell of a time coming up with a definition for "terrorist" that didn't include them, matter of fact, they never did. What is the definition according to TJ?

I speak out against hypocrites, period.

The truth = bashing America? Hard to maintain lies when worlds collide, eh?


Take a look at your personal attack up there, and cry in the mirror. Split what? Truth with fantasy and personal attacks according to TJ? Hahahahahahaha

 

Hey TJ, how about individuals, muslim or otherwise, blend themselves any way they like in the land of the free, home of the brave, where church and state are kept seperate for a reason, or not.

 

As I keep saying, and you keep demonstrating, "You can make your mouth say anything".

You "say" all killing is bad but you follow up with defending terrorists saying they have a good reason for what they do, clearly these two things collide and show your true belief that it is okay to kill if your a terrorist under your belief structure.

I know you are but what am I?

Grow up.

(/11, strapping a bomb to your chest and boarding a school bus, etc.....

You see, intent is the key. A terrorist only wants to kill innocents because that creats the most fear, while we spend billions on precision bombs to keep collateral damage to a minimum, we clearly do not want innocents to die.

How about you?

Your the biggest hypocrite on this forum so start speaking out against yourself.

Your right, it is difficult for you to maintain your lies in the face of the truth but you always seem to find a way to persue your anti-American, anti-government agenda.

As usual, you start the personal attacks, I opened a topic talking about muslims not fitting into western societies and you talk about child molesters, you attack me and eddo, you talk about evil America but you refuse to talk about muslims forcing established societies to change, why do you always dodge the topic and make everythign about you and your hatred?

Blending in is not changing completely all that was there before you came.

 

I don't defend terrorists, you do. I don't condone their actions, you do by condoning the violent actions of you and yours. See how that works? Keep backing it up with hypocrisy, it's the only way to defend it like I said a month and a half ago.

It's NEVER ok to intentionally kill another human being, period.

You are a supporter of terrorism yet claim I am and want to punish me for it.

What was the intention of "shock and awe"? "Death and fear"?

Then you should be able to prove it, like I do.

You mean my anti hypocrite agenda? It's sick sh*t and I like to speak against it.

You are anti American... you can't even let people use the word "oppression" without throwing a hissy fit. Real Americans don't want to control anyone through fear, intimidation, and hypocrisy like yourself.

Nice generalizations of what I didn't say, again.

What do muslims want to change? The fact that they are now persecuted for the actions of a handful of the hundreds of millions of muslims in the world?


Lets make all Catholics register as sex offenders too..


Oh yeah, don't forget your definition of terrorism, I want to know how I may be possibly use the term correctly.

 

You said they had good reasons for what they did, that is defending their actions. If you feel it is okay for terrorists to strap a bomb on their body and take out a school bus, it is you who is truly sick.

I want you to accept responsibility for defending terrorists, it was you who said you thought they had a good reason for what they did, you said it so sleep in the bed you made.

You either directly condemn the terrorist actions or you don't, so far you don't and only say America is bad in everything we do.

It would have been more shock and awe to just pound the city with standard munitions. Instead we used munitions that cost thirty times as much so we could keep collateral damage to as small a number as possible.

Terrorists don't take the extra care and expense to avoid collateral damage and in fact will target innocents exclusively sometimes, like 9/11.

I have already proven you lied but you just play childish games in trying to say we are doing what you in fact are doing.

I am just tired of sissy little babies like you crying all the time and holding your hand out begging for your government to give you free money and stuff. You are a taker, a cancer on society, a complete waste of air.

And yet you still have not talked about the topic yet, imagine that.

Persecuted?

Where are they persecuted?

Everywhere I look I see them getting special treatment, like public schools making speical classes of all muslim children so they can pray several times a day, I thought we could not pray in school but it seems only Christians cannot pray.

Molesting children is not ordered in the Bible, but killing infidels using "any stratigum of war" is called for in the Quran.

I already defined it for you, please try to keep up.

 

It's not ok for anyone to intentionally kill anyone. There is never a good reason for anyone to intentionally kill anyone.

For the last time, quit putting words in my mouth saying the opposite of what I say.

You think violence is acceptable for you and yours.

Violence is NEVER acceptable and I will never validate for you that it is.

I say violence is unacceptable, you say it is acceptable. You think it's ok for a terrorist to push a button and destroy a city and many, many innocent lives. But it's not ok for a terrorist to strap a bomb on their body and blow up a bus? Do you not want terrorist to hurt themselves?

Sick bastard, you condone violence, not me.

Didn't say they had a good reason, you do.

Violence is never ok for any reason under the sun.

You condemn others for being what you are and doing what you do, (kill people), and want to punish, (kill) them for it.


You condone terrorism/violence/murder by your own words. Not me. How many more months are you going to try to convince me I'm you?


You are what you hate and that is why you hate it. You can try to contradict and contrast methods of violence to make yourself feel superior because you and yours spend billions of dollars to not save, but kill people, jackass.

Then you think it's ok for Iran to build and spend as much on weapons to kill people, "safely"? If your terrorist tools are so much better, how about trading them to those you condemn so they can do it the right way too?

But then again, how could you avoid seeing the truth if that were the case. You'd be forced to admit that you are what you hate rather than try to put it on a "weak pacifist" as being the violence condoning sick f*cker.

Lied about what now? You prove nothing but your hypocrisy. You merely repeat "you lie", "you lied", you're a lier" over and over without ever providing any evidence of anything.


What's the lie now?

Hahahahahaha.. what the f*ck are you talking about? Yourself again.. poor TJ.

What topic? The words you put in my mouth? You really can't be this stupid..

Everywhere I look, the same people who have been getting special treatment for 300 years are still getting special treatment. Why don't you try worrying about yourself for a change?

Are you an expert on the Quran and muslimism? Worry about your own bible.

You ignored my request, you defined sh*t. if you are not full of sh*t, cut and paste that definition or tell me exactly where to find it.

 

holy freaking cow...


That right there is down right amazing wez. The single best example of hypocrisy I have ever see.
"don't put words in my mouth, but I am gonna put some in yours."


un-freakin'-believable.



I have an idea for the rest of this thread (and maybe even the others here):

How 'bout WE all quit saying what we think others are saying and just speak for ourselves?

Seriously guys, this "You said this" and "No, I didn't say that, but you said this." stuff is getting real old and has killed another possible good topic. I'm not trying to blame any one, just asking if we could maybe move forward without it?

So, lets all share our own thoughts, our own ideas, our own words- and quit all this nonsense that leads no where. Please.


Thanks.

 

TJ doesn't support the violent actions of the US military?


un-freakin'-believable. My mistake.. hopefully you can get your son out.

Good idea, quit speaking for TJ and he can quit speaking for you.... How about you mind you own business and not worry about me along with TJ.. 3 years is enough eddo, time to find a new "target". It'll never get any better eddo... I'll never be you.

 

I have to agree on this.

 

I guess I asked for to much.