More Western Barbarism Against Muslims In Iraq

UK soldiers 'saw Iraqi boy drown'

Four British soldiers forced an Iraqi teenager into a river at gunpoint and watched him drown "to teach him a lesson", a court martial has heard.

Ahmed Jabber Kareem Ali, 15, could not swim and they allegedly watched him struggle in "obvious distress" in the Shatt al-Basra canal in May 2003.

They then fled the scene, heard the court martial in Colchester, Essex.

The three soldiers from the Irish Guards and one from the Coldstream Guards all deny manslaughter.

Prosecution counsel Orlando Pownall QC described the cause of death as the "unlawful and dangerous activities of the four defendants acting together as part of a joint enterprise".

Mr Pownall told the court martial the incident was "a common design or plan to force the alleged looters into the water to teach them a lesson".

The four men standing trial are Sergeant Carle Selman, 39, then of the Coldstream Guards and now serving with the Scots Guards, Lance Corporal James Cook, 22, Guardsman Joseph McCleary, 24, and Guardsman Martin McGing, 22, all of the Irish Guards.

The seven-strong military panel heard the men had assisted the Iraqi police in detaining four alleged looters on 8 May 2003.

The soldiers have been accused of taking the suspects to the banks of a canal in a British Warrior vehicle where they forced them to enter the water at gunpoint.

The prosecution referred to claims made by Aiad Salim Hanon, one of the suspects, who said he and Kareem - an asthmatic - were forced into the water and had stones thrown at them.

"Kareem was in obvious distress as he was unable to swim," said Mr Pownall.

Inconsistent accounts?

"His head bobbed to the surface and then disappeared. One of the soldiers who was on the bank of the canal made as if to remove his clothing in order to rescue Kareem, but then returned to the Warrior tank, which drove away."

The court heard that Kareem's body was found almost two days after the alleged incident at the canal which would have been at least two metres (6ft) deep, with a current and an uneven waterbed.

Mr Pownall said post mortem tests showed suggested there was "nothing to indicate signs of injury that might have caused his death apart from what is suggested to be an irresistible inference that Kareem had drowned".

He said, even if the soldiers had not thought about their behaviour, "all sober and reasonable people would realise that their unlawful actions must have subjected the 15-year-old boy to the risk of at least some physical harm".

The prosecution counsel also argued that three of the defendants gave accounts which were inconsistent with each other.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4966046.stm

 

I'm sorry a boy drowned, but I'm sure there is a lot more to the story.
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Islam is a CANCER. It's not a religion,it's a cult just like the Cult of Kali. It must be wiped off the face of the earth. NOTHING, good comes from the Cult of ISLAM.

Why do I see islam as more of a cult, than a religion? They base their beliefs on the rantings of mohamed. He was a lot of things, but certainly not a prophet. He married Aisha at the ripe old age of 6 years old. Wow, must have been a real exciting wedding night for them both. All of Gods real prophets performed miracles. They healed the sick, made the blind to see, even raised the dead. Mohamed did none of those things. He taught hatred, murder, and death to ALL non muslims. Jesus Christ preached love and forgiveness. I see islam as evil, like a fast growing cancer. I see them as no more than satans disciples. Even the so called peaceful ones are all taught from the same book. Their koran teaches hatred to all non muslims, they are told to wait in ambush and kill all the infidels, uhhhh, thats us. They are promised a trip to paradise for murdering innocents. What kind of a man would encourage his children to strap on a tnt coat, point them toward a bus load of school kids, tell them to murder them and they will be rewarded by allah with 72 virgins in paradise??? A muslim, thats who. Imagine those folks horror as the realize they went to hell. The so called snipers, the man who fragged his fellow soldiers, all recent converts to islam. I hope and pray that the world wakes up and sees them for the Godless scum they are before it's too late.

Retired US Military member who has spent a long time in the filthy desert of the Saudi Arabia. Now you know how I feel.
Ben

 

This boy probably was walking down the street with his holy quran held up high only to conceal the C4 explosives under his shirt. I would shoot first then ask questions later.

When in doubt...SHOOT, otherwise these islamic people will kill you in an allah heartbeat.

 

What has Islam to do with your OWN barbarism ??

 

What was that? OH, your IGNORED, LM (pork-eating) AO.

B

 

http://joebrower.com/PHILE_PILE/PIX/POLITICS/THREAT_MUSLIM/

What rightminded parent would put their child thru this- BARBERIC

 

Very simple! It is because of YOUR jihad and YOUR 1,000 plus year history of hate, rape, enslavement, and murder...I, too, would have no issue shooting an islamic jhadist FIRST instead of waiting for this pigs-soaked-scum to blow hinself up.

I am sure English speaking soldiers know how to say "halt" in arabic. If these warninigs are ignored, I would have NO issue seeing one of your muslim jihadists dropped and taken down.



The big differance? You see, the west can police its own and bring these soldiers to trial. What would happen in a muslim court? They will be celebrating that an infidel was KILLED! Allah would be happy according to your warped religion!

...all of this is described in your hate-filled 'holy' quran!

 

I do not know the facts of what you are discussing but in war bad things happen either by accident or by a few who do not represent the many.
That is the difference, we may have a few that do bad things and we deal with them for we do not accept it.
Whereas in the arab Islamic world, if someone cuts off a Christians head, he is a hero.
Whereas in the arab Islamic world, if someone shoots a jewish baby in the head with a snipers rifle, candy is passed out.

Lets get real now. As Midas and others have pointed out. When if ever, and it is never, was there ever an outpouring of arab rage against the killing of Christians or Jews.

 

What war ! I thought your mass murdered president declared the war is over in Iraq 2 years ago !!!

Face up to your crimes against muslims and stop finding cheap excuses.

 

Actually he wanted to call it a "Crusade" but that term got quickly shot down by the politically correct crowd.

Bush didn't declare war on Iraq, he declared war on terrorism. Actually, he should of declared war on ISLAMIC TERRORISM and called it for what it is.

I have NO issue with our service man and woman fighting against your jihad element in this part of the world than waiting for islamic terrorists to attack again, and again, and again, and again, and again.

After all, islamic radicals are just following all of the passages in your holy book. You can't fault a true muslim for that can you? If your whole religion is based on jihad (the struggle), then it is what it is...

Unfortunately, the civilized world will have to put islamic radicals in its proper place (at least 2 meters under).

 

As I expounded earlier.

<<Watch the Finnish Moor closely
Sometime I want to know just what the Holy Mother of Mary all the moor's are doing in countries which are so cold. Keep in mind they are warm blooded by nature and cannot move quickly when outdoors in the northern climate. Use the left hand when striking the first blow, for the left hand is considered unholy by these mongrels. Keep on the left or behind the dogs when doing so for they will break and scatter when fell upon.

I believe they are laying in wait, you know (sleeper cells) and getting bored.>>

El Cid

 

I notice not one word from him about the fact that there is a Court Martial taking place, just the usual condemnation's

De Orc