Libya Obama Strategy Your Opinion

Quite a few. How many people were killed in torture chambers under American supervision?

 

Not opinion. Since you won't look it up, you will just have to take my word. It was for Saddam's repeated violations of UN mandates that he had agreed to to end the 1990 Gulf War mostly having to do with inspections. It had nothing directly to do with WMD's. BTW, they did find enough mustard gass in Iraq to kill several thousand people. Now, in terms of volume, that is not very much, but still............

 

Prove just one, if you think you can.

 

Which? Your assertion or mine? I'm not going to ask you to prove yours, I'm already aware that murders take place in torture chambers around the World, for a number of reasons... so I don't need your 'proof'. As to my assertion that people have dies while undergoing torture at American hands? You don't believe it? Then there you are, you have your answer... why should I attempt to prove it to you? You've already made up your mind as to the truth, and so have I.

 

Well, yeah... that IS your opinion lol ...I was hoping for more original thought than an official press release summary.

 

I'm curious though... would you consider addition reasons beyond the U.N. mandates? I can provide some and see if you could agree with ANY of them, or is that your final say?

 

Original thought? I watched it on TV. You can spin it anyway you want, but those are the facts. If you choose to ignore them, what are we talking about?

 

Your opinions are a waste of my time. Facts I will listen to.

 

Oh, I'm not ignoring them, I'm just prone to asking more questions than most. You may chose the official reasoning as the end of the story, but I look at the prelude and addition information. As for 'spin', I don't like it at all... it's misleading and confuses those prone to being manipulated.

 

Fair enough. I'd give you more information, that are facts, but in the context that they are part of the reasoning behind invading Iraq. That part you could never agree to, so there is no point.

IMO though, you have severly limited your reasoning capabilities.

 

Obama drives me right up the wall with his continuations of the Bush occupations among other things. As for this Libya deal, I think he should have let the Arab League handle it or not as their inclinations led them and if the Europeans wanted to get involved fine. The Saudis have a perfectly good air force. So do the French and the Germans and the Brits. What we will soon have in Libya is a power vacuum, which would have been the case if the rebels had prevailed without American help, but now we own part of it. I can't wait for the nation building to begin. So tell me, does the distaste I have for so much of what the President is doing in this area and elsewhere make me a Republican? In your view it's impossible for liberals to think the way I do since all liberals are by definition in lockstep with Obama. So I guess I'm a RWer. This is going to take some getting used to.

 

No. But around here, saying it, makes you 'refreshing'.

 

If I may answer this, no, not at all. It just makes you an informed liberal. An enlightened liberal, if you will.

You weren't addressing me, but I'll answer this also, if you don't mind. I don't think it's "impossible" for liberals to think this way. However, I think it goes against the grain for them to think this way because they desperately want to see Obama push their liberal agenda. However, for those liberals who can see beyond left field and can make a reasonable judgment, they will be able to see Obama as flawed and certainly capable of making mistakes (Libya being a HUGE mistake). It's the liberals who are afflicted with Obama Derangement Syndrome who refuse to see Obama as anything other than the Second Coming of Christ.

 

Well thanks Stujoe and CoinOKC. I don't know how long the refreshing thing is going to last. A while I hope. And CoinOKC from your standpoint, when we start talking about why I have such a problem with our President you'll probably describe me as lots of things but I doubt that "enlightened" will be one of them. But I'll take it for now.

 

Obama Derangement Syndrome:

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If we're talking about Obama Derangement Syndrome we can't ignore this version...

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sugexp=bvre&cp=14&gs_id=1j&xhr=t&q=tea party obama&gs_sm=&gs_upl=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&biw=1688&bih=931&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi

 

Any one here care to tell me how many combat sorties the US have flown over Liyba since oh lets see April 4th?

 

From April 1 to August 22, the US has flown 5,316 sorties over Libya.

 

Also, some additional interesting stats (per Wikipedia):

The United States has deployed a naval force of 11 ships, including the amphibious assault ship USS Kearsarge, the amphibious transport dock USS Ponce, the guided-missile destroyers USS Barry and USS Stout, the nuclear attack submarines USS Providence and USS Scranton, the cruise missile submarine USS Florida and the amphibious command ship USS Mount Whitney.[138][139][140] Additionally, A-10 ground-attack aircraft, B-2 stealth bombers, AV-8B Harrier II jump-jets, EA-18 electronic warfare aircraft, and both F-15 and F-16 fighters have been involved in action over Libya.[141] U-2 reconnaissance aircraft are stationed on Cyprus.[142] On 18 March, two AC-130Us arrived at RAF Mildenhall as well as additional tanker aircraft.[citation needed] On 24 March 2 E-8Cs operated from Naval Station Rota Spain, which indicates an increase of ground attacks.[citation needed] An undisclosed number of CIA operatives are said to be in Libya to gather intelligence for airstrikes and make contacts with rebels.[143] The US also began using MQ-1 Predator UAVs to strike targets in Libya on 23 April.

 

Plus, here's an interesting graph listing U.S. involvement as of May, 2011:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/data...-journalism-operations-country#zoomed-picture

(From guardian.co.uk)