Libya Obama Strategy Your Opinion

I would say it would be a lot closer to an assisted revolt than a civil war. Do you consider it a Civil War?

And, as far as not seeing how it could get worse, some good old fashioned cleansing could be worse. What happened in Iraq over the last 7 years would be worse. We will see if we helped them out or pushed them to something worse before they were ready to tackle the job themselves.

And for some reason, and I don't know if it is just you or if it is a new left talking point, you keep going for this Good Obama War/Bad Bush War thing. My overthrow and nation building is better than your overthrow and nation building...which seems an odd liberal position.

Personally, I am not in favor of us doing any nation building, assisted revolts or overthrowing of leaders. The only excuse for us to wage war on another nation is if they are a threat to us. Iraq and Afghanistan taught me that lesson. We should not have done what we did in Iraq and we should have left Afghanistan long ago. And Libya does not change my mind on these issues.

 

I can't disagree with you one bit on that. However, our military action in Libya was not based on previous attacks, sponsored terrorism or past aggression. The SOLE reason we attacked Libya was for "humanitarian reasons". That's the only reason (at least according to Obama).

 

The Saudi's must be laughing at us as we bankrupt our nation and killing our troops following their foriegn policy. Obama just continued what Bush junior started except he is worse then bush for he is adding more to the plate.

 

Wait, there's more coming... Syria, Iran, North Korea, etc, etc, etc... gonna need a bigger plate lol

 

Saudi's are worried about Iran. That is why Israel has been allowed to exisit at all.

 

and as for Libya, does anyone actually believe that a democracy is going to take place. I would not be surprise if women actually lose rights in the coming years.

 

Well, look at Afghanistan. Shortly after they elected their new leaders they passed a law stating something like "If you are Muslim, you must always be Muslim." Renouncing the Muslim faith there means death. That's the law. As for women, I'd say some are slightly better off, but it'll take several generations before I'd consider it to be satisfactory. That's if those generations are reasonable, I have yet to see one there that is.

 

I have to post John McCain & Lindsey Graham's statement regarding the fall of Kadafi. This is classic Right-wing finding the dark cloud in the silver lining when it comes to Obama.

“The end of the Qadaffi regime in Libya is a victory for the Libyan people and for the broader cause of freedom in the Middle East and throughout the world. This achievement was made possible first and foremost by the struggle and sacrifice of countless Libyans, whose courage and perseverance we applaud. We also commend our British, French, and other allies, as well as our Arab partners, especially Qatar and the UAE, for their leadership in this conflict. Americans can be proud of the role our country has played in helping to defeat Qaddafi, but we regret that this success was so long in coming due to the failure of the United States to employ the full weight of our airpower.​

You just have to love how America's role is minimized while calling our role a failure at the same time. At least they remembered to thank the Libyans, the Brits, the French, other allies, Arab partners such as Qatar and the UAE before they criticize our efforts. Nice!

 

Classic partisanship at work. Their comments have less 'class' than 'ick' in them.

 

You seem to take it for granted that our support for Obama is unquestioning and that we have no qualms about chucking sincerely held principals and reversing past positions and going forth in lockstep behind the Leader. This seems a very Republican way of thinking to me.

 

Is anyone surprised that 2 war hawk interventionists like McCain and Graham would be disappointed with the intensity of a remote, video game war? They'd probably sign our forces up to be the AF and Navy of any 2 bit force who wanted them.

 

I think you're right. I think at best it will become the decentralized tribal/family-clan based society that it has traditionally been. But if that's what works for them, that's fine.

 

I think the Libyans were just sick and tired of all the different ways this guy spelled his name.

 

Indeed. As others have pointed out on this forum, such unquestioning loyalty is referred to as "Obama Derangement Syndrome".

I'll believe it when I see it in November, 2012. Until then, all I'm observing is a mass of lemmings following their Fearless Leader off a cliff.

Why, thank you! That's the nicest thing I've heard all day!

 

It's not that he doesn't have people who seem blindly loyal to him despite his torturous twists and turns, he does. Nowhere near to the extent that Bush did, but he does. I don't get it either.

You don't have to wait until then. Obama has had trouble with his base ever since he proved himself to be somewhat to the right of Dwight Eisenhower and we've let him know it and it has pissed many Democrats off. If Obama manages a victory next year it will be because things have gotten quite a bit better in the country or it will be because enough people adopt W. C. Fields' practice of never voting for, only against. And the latter would in turn hinge on the degree of looniness of the Republican candidate. Bachmann or I think a Perry, and Obama is in. A Huntsman or a Romney, maybe not so much.

You're welcome. One tries to be pleasant.

 

In spite of the numerous times Obama is at odds with his base, the Right-wingers here seem to stick with their perception that Obama is being blindly followed. They can't seem to ever acknowledge that they have never been supportive of Obama even the numerous times he has taken positions they themselves have supported in the past. The "anyone but Obama" mantra is heard regularly in their ranks which is in itself a form of fanaticism that blindly takes one position and follows it to the point where they find themselves supporting people like Bachmann otherwise known as Botch-mann. Yeah, there certainly is Obama derangement syndrome going on but it is the people so far out on the Right that the buses don't even stop there. They are simply terrified that Obama may succeed and their party will be seen as the self-interested bunch of greed SOB's they really are.

 

They can't help it. Blind following is in their political genes and they assume that everyone else is the same way.

 

Amen!

 

Oh hell, if a Republican Prez was doing the exact same thing, moen phd and his like-minded whackos would be so mad they couldn't see straight but let BO do it & it has to be the perfect plan. Now there's an example of BO derangement for you.

 

And the reverse is that when Bush dragged this country into two wars the Right-wingers couldn't have been more supportive. Now that Obama handled yet another conflict with competence they couldn't be more critical of war. You never seem to fail to turn the coin over and see the other side. Strange behavior for a supposed coin collector.