Large Car Bomb defused in London

A conviction of treason also requires, according to Article III, Section 3 of the Constitution, two witnesses to the same OVERT act (my emphasis), or confession in open court. A conviction on sedition is easier to get.

 

Here is a picture of one of the car bombers in Glasgow. He is badly burned.

 

This is the same muslim animal that yelled, "Allah, Allah" as he was taken down.

Just following islamic jihad...as per the koran.

 

They're now trying to blow up the Royal Alexander hospital where the dude with the 'Saudi Ring Worm' is at. MSNBC is reporting the Bomb Disposal Unit is being called AGAIN to the parking lot of the hospital where one car was blown up yesterday...

 

JW That was at Glasgow airport in Scotland , and as for him shouting for Allah I think if you were criticly burnt you might well be calling on Gods help, He is now in intensive care unit at the hospital he worked at, I doubt very much if that had anything to do with the attack itself.
Another 2 suspects have been detained and police are checking another suspect car at the hospital in Scotland were one of the Airport attackers work and now is a patient.
I have just got back from a trip into London and I can confirm that security is very tight cars are been pulled over and searched at choke points on the way int the city, even taxi's are only been allowed into train Station forecourts one in one out. Yet the city is still functioning as normal tourists everywere Non of the suspects detained so far are actualy British Citizens according to the latest news reports.

 

The car destroyed yesterday was confirmed as not having any explosives in it, I hope that the same will prove true of this one.

 

Steve, did they determine that the bombers in London were the same guys who torched the Glasgow Airport?

 

At the moment they think they are different people but conected to each other

 

Thanks for correcting me. I meant Glasgow. I edited my post.

 

The latest story I am getting is that these actions are in retaliation for the Knighting of Salman Rushdie. I guess they object to him being called Sir Salman Rushdie or something like that.

 

See what happens when you follow TRUE islam???

'Terror ringleader' is brilliant NHS doctor

Last updated at 21:51pm on 2nd July 2007
Dr Mohammed Asha: Arrested on the M6

• Controlled explosion carried out at Royal Alexandra Hospital


• Three more men arrested over Airport attack bringing total currently under arrest to seven

• Police search second house in Newcastle-under-Lyme

• Kurdish terror group is linked to London attacks


An Iraqi junior doctor and a brilliant neurologist working for the NHS are among the suspects being quizzed over the series of bomb attacks across Britain, it emerged today.
The news came as it emerged that an eighth person has been arrested in the terror enquiry.

Details of the suspects were revealed as police staged a controlled explosion at a hospital near Glasgow today.

The junior doctor has been named as Bilal Abdulla, who is said to have completed his medical training in Baghdad.

The suspected ringleader of the Al Qaeda car bombers is a brilliant neurologist working for the NHS.
Saudi Mohammed Asha, 26, was arrested with his 27-year-old wife, who was in traditional Muslim dress, on the M6 in Cheshire on Saturday night.

All for the glory of their Allah!

 

yep...its sad that these guys were so misguided...they only make life harder for the millions of muslims that dont and never will do such things...and feed the rabid morons who think they have a clue Oh well...

 

So far no one has been charged with anything and as for these folks working for the NHS yes they do but they are here to train in there choosen fields they are fairly newly qualified. The number detained is eight at the moment another suspect has been taken into custody abroad.

Saudi Mohammed Asha has been practicing here for 2 years as he only qualified in 2004, again I will stress that not one of those in custody are British citizens.

 

I was a fanatic...I know their thinking, says former radical Islamist

By HASSAN BUTT



When I was still a member of what is probably best termed the British Jihadi Network - a series of British Muslim terrorist groups linked by a single ideology - I remember how we used to laugh in celebration whenever people on TV proclaimed that the sole cause for Islamic acts of terror like 9/11, the Madrid bombings and 7/7 was Western foreign policy.


By blaming the Government for our actions, those who pushed this "Blair's bombs" line did our propaganda work for us.

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More important, they also helped to draw away any critical examination from the real engine of our violence: Islamic theology.

The attempts to cause mass destruction in London and Glasgow are so reminiscent of other recent British Islamic extremist plots that they are likely to have been carried out by my former peers. And as with previous terror attacks, people are again saying that violence carried out by Muslims is all to do with foreign policy.

For example, on Saturday on Radio 4's Today programme, the Mayor of London, Ken Livingstone, said: "What all our intelligence shows about the opinions of disaffected young Muslims is the main driving force is not Afghanistan, it is mainly Iraq."

I left the British Jihadi Network in February 2006 because I realised that its members had simply become mindless killers. But if I were still fighting for their cause, I'd be laughing once again.


Mohammed Sidique Khan met with the author on two separate occasions

Mohammad Sidique Khan, the leader of the July 7 bombings, and I were both part of the network - I met him on two occasions. And though many British extremists are angered by the deaths of fellow Muslim across the world, what drove me and many others to plot acts of extreme terror within Britain and abroad was a sense that we were fighting for the creation of a revolutionary worldwide Islamic state that would dispense Islamic justice.

If we were interested in justice, you may ask, how did this continuing violence come to be the means of promoting such a (flawed) Utopian goal?

How do Islamic radicals justify such terror in the name of their religion?
There isn't enough room to outline everything here, but the foundation of extremist reasoning rests upon a model of the world in which you are either a believer or an infidel.


Formal Islamic theology, unlike Christian theology, does not allow for the separation of state and religion: they are considered to be one and the same.

For centuries, the reasoning of Islamic jurists has set down rules of interaction between Dar ul-Islam (the Land of Islam) and Dar ul-Kufr (the Land of Unbelief) to cover almost every matter of trade, peace and war. But what radicals and extremists do is to take this two steps further. Their first step has been to argue that, since there is no pure Islamic state, the whole world must be Dar ul-Kufr (The Land of Unbelief).

Step two: since Islam must declare war on unbelief, they have declared war upon the whole world.

Along with many of my former peers, I was taught by Pakistani and British radical preachers that this reclassification of the globe as a Land of War (Dar ul-Harb) allows any Muslim to destroy the sanctity of the five rights that every human is granted under Islam: life, wealth, land, mind and belief. In Dar ul-Harb, anything goes, including the treachery and cowardice of attacking civilians. The notion of a global battlefield has been a source of friction for Muslims living in Britain.

For decades, radicals have been exploiting the tensions between Islamic theology and the modern secular state - typically by starting debate with the question: "Are you British or Muslim?"

But the main reason why radicals have managed to increase their following is because most Muslim institutions in Britain just don't want to talk about theology. They refuse to broach the difficult and often complex truth that Islam can be interpreted as condoning violence against the unbeliever - and instead repeat the mantra that Islam is peace and hope that all of this debate will go away.

This has left the territory open for radicals to claim as their own. I should know because, as a former extremist recruiter, I repeatedly came across those who had tried to raise these issues with mosque authorities only to be banned from their grounds.

Every time this happened it felt like a moral and religious victory for us because it served as a recruiting sergeant for extremism.
Outside Britain, there are those who try to reverse this two-step revisionism. A handful of scholars from the Middle East have tried to put radicalism back in the box by saying that the rules of war devised so long ago by Islamic jurists were always conceived with the existence of an Islamic state in mind, a state which would supposedly regulate jihad in a responsible Islamic fashion. In other words, individual Muslims don't have the authority to go around declaring global war in the name of Islam.

But there is a more fundamental reasoning that has struck me as a far more potent argument because it involves recognising the reality of the world: Muslims don't actually live in the bipolar world of the Middle Ages any more.

The fact is that Muslims in Britain are citizens of this country. We are no longer migrants in a Land of Unbelief. For my generation, we were born here, raised here, schooled here, we work here and we'll stay here.
But more than that, on a historically unprecedented scale, Muslims in Britain have been allowed to assert their religious identity through clothing, the construction of mosques, the building of cemeteries and equal rights in law. However, it isn't enough for responsible Muslims to say that, because they feel at home in Britain, they can simply ignore those passages of the Koran which instruct on killing unbelievers.

Because so many in the Muslim community refuse to challenge centuries-old theological arguments, the tensions between Islamic theology and the modern world grow larger every day. I believe that the issue of terrorism can be easily demystified if Muslims and non-Muslims start openly to discuss the ideas that fuel terrorism. Crucially, the Muslim community in Britain must slap itself awake from its state of denial and realise there is no shame in admitting the extremism within our families, communities and worldwide co-religionists.

If our country is going to take on radicals and violent extremists, Muslim scholars must go back to the books and come forward with a refashioned set of rules and a revised understanding of the rights and responsibilities of Muslims whose homes and souls are firmly planted in what I'd like to term the Land of Co-existence. And when this new theological territory is opened up, Western Muslims will be able to liberate themselves from defunct models of the world, rewrite the rules of interaction and perhaps we will discover that the concept of killing in the name of Islam is no more than an anachronism.

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Told you so!

 

03 Jul 2007

Statement from the Muslim Council of Britain on Recent Terrorism

The events of the past few days have been very disturbing and challenging ones for all of us. At the very outset we would like to express our heartfelt gratitude to all the police officers and security experts who were tasked with removing the threat from the explosive devices in London and Glasgow.

It looks sadly as if the terror threat currently facing our country will be with us for some time to come. So let us be absolutely clear about this: those who seek to deliberately kill or maim innocent people are the enemies of all of us. There is no cause whatsoever that could possibly justify such barbarity. Those who engage in such murderous actions and those that provide support for them are the enemies of all, Muslims and non-Muslims, and they stand against our shared values in the UK.

The police and security services have the enormous responsibility for trying to ensure the safety of all Britons. As such they deserve the fullest support and cooperation from each and every sector of our society, including all Muslims.

With this in mind, the Muslim Council of Britain will, this coming Saturday, be convening a meeting at the Islamic Cultural Centre in London of key Imams and leading community activists from across the country. At Saturday’s meeting we hope to discuss how we can work better with other partners, including the police, to try to undermine and defeat the terrorists who seek to attack us. It is our Islamic duty not only to utterly and totally condemn such evil actions, but to provide all the necessary support to prevent such atrocities from taking place.

We would take this opportunity to commend the new Prime Minister Gordon Brown and the Home Secretary Jacqui Smith for the calm and reassuring tone of their responses to the recent attacks in which they made clear that it was unacceptable to hold any one faith group or community as being somehow collectively responsible for the actions of a few. We also appreciate the stance taken by the Scottish first Minister Alex Salmond, who re-assured the Muslim community in Scotland in unequivocal terms when he visited Glasgow Central Mosque recently.

It cannot be stressed enough that terrorists actively seek to divide us and to undermine our collective strength. To be successful in our collective effort to deal with the threats of terror it is imperative that we all work together. We need to have confidence and mutual trust in each other. The challenges facing us as a nation require us to work together for the joint benefit of all.

Thank you.

Dr Muhammad Abdul Bari
Secretary General
The Muslim Council of Britain

 

Because so many in the Muslim community refuse to challenge centuries-old theological arguments, the tensions between Islamic theology and the modern world grow larger every day. I believe that the issue of terrorism can be easily demystified if Muslims and non-Muslims start openly to discuss the ideas that fuel terrorism.

smart man...I agree...instead of ranting and raving on both sides...they need to realize and accept that islam has been hijacked by these killers and terrorists and stop putting their heads in the sand. Even if the large majority have never and will never do such things...its these radicals that make the news and get all the attention because of extreme actions...what is more news worthy...a humble store keeper who minds his own business and raises his kids....or a bomber. Some people only see the terrorists and there are plenty out there who are more than willing to post long ranting diatribes everyday vilifying them all because of the actions of these killers. Only through this realization and acceptance by the good muslim will this ever stop...

All the ranting and raving and vilifying every muslim on earth will do nothing at all and muslims just saying 'well I have never bombed or killed anyone!!" isnt enough anymore...its a broken record....they need to take real action to rid their religion of these elements. I hope one day this happens...there are a lot of good people getting a black eye over these radicals. I know a few who are having a hard time because of it... Those with half a brain know that these terrorists do not represent all of islam but it IS a big problem and only when those in the community step up and admit that there is a problem will things change and those level headed people on both sides can work to rid ourselves of it.

people like the Free Muslim Coalition are making the brave first step....I sure hope it becomes a trend.

http://www.freemuslims.org/

http://www.freemuslims.org/high-rez-ad.mov

 

So what is the excuse for these islamic doctors to conduct islamic jihad?? Are they economically deprived because of Israel's doing? Or the U.S.?

Or are they just following the koran as the terrorist mohammad intended!:

Latest news...

Two more (islamic) terror suspects charged in failed (islamic) attacks on London and Glasgow


Last updated at 18:45pm on 15th July 2007

Dr Sabeel Ahmed has been charged with (islamic) terrorist offences in London


Two men have been charged in connection with last month's failed terror attacks on London and Glasgow. Sabeel Ahmed (a muslim), 26, a doctor, has been charged with (islamic) terror offences in London.


The Metropolitan Police said in a news release that Ahmed, of Liverpool, had been charged with having information that could prevent an act of terrorism. He was arrested June 30, the day after police discovered two unexploded car bombs in central London. He was detained the same day a Jeep Cherokee, loaded with gas canisters and gasoline, was driven into Glasgow's international airport.

Ahmed is the third person to be charged in connection with the alleged plot in London and Glasgow.

Bilal Abdullah (another muslim), a 27-year-old doctor, was charged last week by British police with conspiring to set off explosions.

And earlier today Mohammad Haneef (another muslim), 27, was charged in Brisbane, Australia, with supporting a terrorist group.


Dr Muhammad Haneef has been charged with providing support to a (islamic) terrorist organisation

 

I suppose we should all just stop posting articles about Fanatical Muslims attacking us so that we can pretend it isn't happening! That is a great idea! NOT.

I enjoy the updates regarding these fanatics, because most of them involve a dead Fanatical Muslim or an imprisoned one!

 

I should point out that Two trainee doctors, aged 28 and 25, have been released without charge from London's Paddington Green police station.
Both men were arrested at the Royal Alexandra Hospital, in Paisley, Scotland.

 

We always hear how economically deprived many muslims are because of the zionist activities of Israel and the United States...hence their reason for islamic terrorism against the "great satan".

I wonder what these muslim doctors excuse are??? Could it be they are simply following islam as mohammad intended?

(per the koran)