Kuwaiti: 'The terrorist Katrina' is a soldier of Allah'

Finally! Real debate points! And no racism or ignorance! Thank you kvasir!

 

This is coming from a person who uses news bulletins as sources of information. Talk about the kettle calling the pot black. I pity you and those around you. It must be a three ring circus with you clowns.

Wait a minute, first you say that the Muslim community must be trusted, and respected for who they are and not for something someone else does.
Now we have the Muslim’s doing the analysis and giving interpretations of the Quern, and you of all people are saying it’s not the way YOU read it.
Just who in the HELL appointed you spokesman for the Muslim community? Your getting a little carried away with your imagined importance, aren't you?

I would just like to add that it is true that Islam's doctrine of jihad is unique among religions. No other religion has a developed theology, law, and tradition mandating warfare against nonbelievers. While Christianity developed the idea of the Crusades late in its history and discarded it long ago, jihad has been taught throughout Islamic history as a duty of the Muslim community, and is still taught today.
Would anyone care to dispute this statement?

Oh really! And what copy do you use to back you up on this conclusion?
You aren’t calling these Muslims liars, are you? After all, I would assume that their translation of the Quern would be as least as good as yours or even better. Please explain why these Muslims can’t be trusted and respected for who they are. Remember they aren't terrorists, so you might find it hard to justify you seeming attack on these fine people.

Yes, but Andy you probably didn’t read the “original” copy as our friend ajm229 has done. So that don’t count. See how that works?

You know what rick, you are absolutely right (for a change). I’m finding out that there are at least a few very accountable Muslims around, and I would sit at a table and break bread with any one of them. However, now having said that, I find myself defending these very same Muslims against the likes of my best of friend ajm229, who said as much as they are liars and cant be believed. Guess I picked the wrong tribe to befriend.

Come on now, who you kidding? Don’t try and get me to believe you received all your information from the original version of the Quern. You may be able to sell that brand of BS to your poker playing buddies, but not around here.

 

Hey! I'm as surprised as you are...

 

Actually I never cited any verses about the Qur'an or commented whether the book is accurate and consistent because I don't claim to be a theologian.

The only thing I said about the Qur'an is already common knowledge. The book is not as widely translated as the Bible because Muslims don't consider translation versions as equivalent like Bible translations are and don't carry as much weight.

see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koran

However I consider myself as a Protestant and I can at least say I know about my religion.

For example, even for the Bible that has standardised translations has different versions in some languages. English has the NIV and the King James among others. Different churches inevitably use different versions and edition. All these versions varie in language and the choice of words. If these is already such variations for the Bible, imagine the situation for the Qur'an in which each unofficial interpreter works from ancient Arabic text that remains the same the day it was first written. It's the same as someone trying to interpret the Bible directly from its original Hebrew and Greek. Neither of those original languages are now spoken in its ancient form, may I add. Modern Hebrew and Greek are so different now.

By your argument earlier, the same could be said about the Bible. A number of books have been excluded, and not all books are used by the different denominations across the major Catholic, Orthodox and Protestant sects. The interpretation of the Christian doctrine is not entirely universal either and that is precisely the reason we have all these sects today. Of course a believer can argue his/her interpretation is the most orthodox, but this debate has been going on for 2000 years. I won't try to resolve it in a forum.

There are also a number of teachings in the Old Testament that is no longer relevant today. Yet Christians regard the Old Testament a part of the complete Bible. For example, try tell a woman who is experiencing the time of the month that she is unclean and unfit to go into church this Sunday. Or go to Red Lobster and say that they ought to be shut down and be cited for health violation in serving unclean food. Or a woman who had just signed divorce paper with her husband should be stoned to death.

Redundancies in the Qur'an? What about it? The books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are the same account covering Jesus' life by 4 different people. Com'on, we've read about the xmas story 4 times already! Yet no one's complaining. What about those repeated references about sinners have to repent and the only way to be save is through Jesus. That's ALL OVER the New Testament.

 

I trust respected news organizations (you may have recognized that the news article I posted for you was from Reuters, one of the most respected news organizations around, next to the Associated Press) over your website any day, Dan.

Dan, no one has appointed me a "spokesman" for anything. I am simply stating my views and opinions, just as you yourself have done so overzealously these past few days. If nothing else, I request that you give me the respect I deserve for doing so, and I thank you in advance for it.

In addition, no, I do not think you are being either fair or subjective in this matter. You are also being neither open-mined nor kind, and I would hope that you will change this so that a debate rather than a mudslinging contest can continue.

The Bible does have passages stating that God will smite the wicked. If I were an extremist, I might take these passages to mean that God wants ME to smite the wicked in his name. It all depends on interpretation.

Exactly who are you talking about? I saw no mention that anyone who has posted on this forum is or has declared themselves to be Muslim.

Dan, when did I say that the copy I had read was the "original" one? I did not. I said that I believe the copy I read to be, at the very least, one stressing the peaceable nature of the Islamic faith, whereas you take whatever copy or passages you have read to be negatively expressing a declaration of war against all other religions.



And Dan, I also saw that quote that you had up as being posted by me, when I never said it and before you edited it. If you decide that you would like to misquote me again, I will have to file a complaint against you with the moderators of this forum for slander.

~AJ

 

Kavisir...if you love them so much..then why dont you get the hell out of Dodge and go live with them? North America..love it or leave it..sounds to me you need to go back to the flea bitten camel jockeys and wave a AK-47 in the air shooting off rounds....besides I will take a M-14 and out shoot that AK-47 weolding loonitic any day of the week!! Even if you do live in Canada..you are too close for my comfort! Beside that the foundation of Medical History began in Rome...and the Europeans established the system.

Get out of our Country if you don't like it!
One mad as He_ _ Marine!!

RickieB

 

I'm just hoping that because this is an international forum, no one takes his entrenched opinions as reflective of the general population. I know that there are some right wing nut jobs in the country, but they do not represent the majority of Americans even though they usually tell themselves and other that they do.

I wonder why he feels so personally threatened living in the middle of the country? I'm sure he is nearly last on Osama Bin Laden's list. We so love you Danny Boy!

 

You're right, they came up with the numbers 1 - 9. Romans figured out that zero was needed. They may have been the height of civilization at one time, but they sure came crashing down fast...and stayed there. Think about it? What have they done...say in the last 200 years? What have they contributed to this Earth?

Using your same logic about how evil white Chirstians were 100's of years ago (if not going back a 1000 years), then every Native American Indain should be strapping bombs to themselves today and blowing up and killing as many Americans as possible!

Like I stated, 99.999999% of all non-mulsims have realized their wrongs, righted it, and moved forward into this century. Can you really say the same for those that want to take us infidels back to the dark ages?

ACTIONS...where are the postive ACTIONS of these people? Don't tell me...show me!

 

I always think it is so cute when people say, "If you don't believe as I believe, get out of the country." I always think, "Well, why do I have to leave?" Can't you just go and I'll stay?

I can't believe anyone still says that tired old verbose statement anymore.

 

Hey Moen...

Sounds like you need to join him...that is partly what is wrong with our society today is that we left the gates of freedom open too long and let all the "dogs in" !
I wish it were different but it is as it is...all I can say is that if you want to be with the radicals, then by all means go! If you want a civilized life with freedoms and liberty..then support your Country. I served in Viet Nam for 1.5 years and put my share of radicals and extremist on the stairway to meeting their maker..dont give me any of your poetic BS because if you support the Islamic Religion, then you my "wet furry nosed " foe are just that!
Grow some balls and stand up for the alegence of your Country. I suppose you have forgotten about the 9-11 attacks? The first ever attack on Mainland America! Quit your job, join the Marine Corps and get your sh_ _ t together!
RickieB

 

Actually, I was talking about Old Dan.

 

Thankyou. It just baffles me how people refuse to see beyond black and white. I never said I love islam or the extremists for that matter. Does that mean then I need to hate them because I love my country? If stating facts subjectively means loving evil, no wonder there is so much hate in the world.

And to RickieB I think the US is a beautiful country but I really thank god I don't live there.

 

Kavasir..
Good for us too..one less to run off!

RickieB

 

HAHAHAHA! RickieB, your posts in this thread make me laugh every time. It's people like you that give ex-Marines a bad rep. I know a few, and they wouldn't hesitate to call you a f___ing prick to your face. Does it bother you that you defend the freedoms of 5 million law-abiding American Muslim citizens, many of whom wouldn't hesitate to lay down their lives for this country as you are so ready to do? This country gave them freedom from whatever hellhole they came from, if they weren't born here. They are as American as any one of us.

If you are telling people to "get the Hell out" because they refuse to be bigots, and you say you'll shoot them first & ask questions later should you cross paths, then someone needs to take that gun away from you and put you away before you turn into a Charles Whitman.

 

I love it when someone backs their statement with "I know a few or a friend of mine". Any one with military experience knows it is the job of the soldier to kill the enemy.
War is not an idealistic place it is basically kill or be killed or hide and hope no one notices. It is clear that RickyB is not the type who would hide and it is clear that he is in the zone. It is also clear that he is venting whereas the people he is venting against are killing and are winning the war against us. One of the ways they are winning is that they have convinced so many of our own that they are a people of peace as they kill around the world with very little critism by the press. Even if one is not on the front lines right now, one should have the mind set that would support those who are by voicing it and demand that both political parties treat this war against us as a fight for survival.

 

THIS IS NOT A WAR AGAINST ISLAM. Our guys are over there PROTECTING Muslims from extremist radicals. If you want to go gun down Muslims & be a genocidal maniac like you are seemingly ready & willing to do, there are mosques & gun stores in every major US city. I don't give a **** what you think you've read, or what bigots raised you to believe. You are the SCUM that needs to be deported from this country with your hate-mongering, murderous, genocidal lunacy before you send this country back into the dark ages - and I would die before I let that happen. This is the greatest country in the world - we don't need ignorant ****heads sending it to hell.

 

Yes Rickie, we could all be manly men like you and wrap ourselves in the flag but as I've said before and still believe, there isn't only one way to be patriotic and you and your "shoot 'em if they look different than me" GI joe types will probably never have the intellect it takes to understand any issue in other than black and white terms.(Boy! Is that a runon sentence or what?)
I'd never be accepted by the Marine Corp. You have to be kind of stupid and easy to brain wash. I have three degrees from three different Universities and there wasn't a Marine in any of the programs I graduated from. We should let more dogs not less dogs into the country. They are the perfect recruiting source for the military. Get 'em in , brain wash 'em, bury 'em at Arlington.

 

It's the same old cr-- that racist southerners used to say when you took the side of a black person. "What are you, A Ni---r Lover?"
No, I'm just not a bigot.

 

ajm~ I'm not about to edit anything for you, run and tell the teacher, you little pussy!