Kuwaiti: 'The terrorist Katrina' is a soldier of Allah'

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Midas, Sep 1, 2005.

  1. quick dog

    quick dog New Member

    I know that my last post was an admonition to the choir, but I am worried. Here is a scenario that I am afraid could happen.

    Imagine a suitcase nuclear device being smuggled into the United States by a radical Islamic faction sponsored by mid-level agents of Iran or Saudi Arabia. Imagine the detonation of a portable nuclear device in a major American city on the Fourth of July. Could it happen?

    I believe that many avowed enemies of America believe that the United States is inhabited soley by wimps, lawyers, big talkers, and party girls who have no stomach for sustained pain and grief. I am afraid that our advisaries don't fully understand the roots of American culture. Our propensity for controlled violence is hidden below the surface. We are indeed civilized. Right?

    What would the American public demand from the President and Congress should a government located 12,000 miles away was proven to be implicated in the total destruction of an American city and the slaughter of a hundred thousand American citizens?

    Should such a horrific event occur, I would have to assume that defacto control over the Nation would shift from a handful of good-time politicians to the general public. Politicians don't swim against the tide. They usually follow angry crowds.

    I think the scope of potential American anger and violence has yet to be fully tested. By the same token, I am convinced that Islamic terrorists are criminally misinformed as to what they risk by following their current path of destruction. I think the stuation is far more dicey than most people want to believe.

    Another installment of my two Kopeks.
     
  2. Andy

    Andy Well-Known Member

    I borrowed this but I hope it inspires others to read the Koran so they know what we are dealing with.

    Quranic verses that dictate beheading Kaffirs:

    5:33-“The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution (by beheading), or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;”

    8:12- “I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off.”

    47:4- “Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), strike off their heads; at length; then when you have made wide Slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives”: thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens.”



    9:123: “Oh ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers and let them find harshness in you.”

    2:191- “Kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from wherever they drove you out.”

    5: 45-- “We ordained therein for them: “Life for life, eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear. Toth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal.”

    2:193- “Fight them on until there is no more tumult and religion becomes that of Allah”

    9:29- "Fight those who do not believe in God and the last day... and fight People of the Book, (Christian and Jews) who do not accept the religion of truth (Islam) until they pay tribute (Zizziya tax) by hand, being inferior.”

    8:17-It is not ye who Slew them; it is God; when thou threwest a handful of dust, it was not Thy act, but God’s…..” (Allah is a real merciful indeed!)



    How can Islamic Mullahs blatantly hide these authentic Quarnic verses? The above Qur’anic scriptures incited early Muslim Jihadis to behead thousands of non-Muslims and other infidels. These same Quranic verses may still inciting devout/fanatical Muslims of modern days. During the early period of Islam, especially during Islamic expeditions by Prophet Muhammad himself while he was in Medina, thousands of infidels were brutally beheaded by the Jihadis. Below is a case in point collected from the authentic Islamic history to use as an example of Islamic beheading.

    Proofs of beheading practice by Prophet Muhammad (According to “Sirat A,

    Rasul” page 464):

    “When Banu Qurayza Jewish tribe was surrendered (627 A.D.) unconditionally, the apostle confined them in Medina in the quarter of al-Harith, a woman of B. al-Najjar. Then the apostle went out to the market of Medina (which is still its market today) and dug trenches in it. Then he sent for them and struck off their heads in those trenches as they were brought out to him in batches tying theirs both hands with their necks. This beheading went on until the apostle made an end of them. There were 600 or 700 in all, though some put the figure as high as 800 or 900. Apparently Muhammad himself worked on the digging of the trench into which the massacred Jews were to be thrown. But he (Muhammad) did not only take part in those preparations, the formulation of the text states but also participated himself in beading of at least two of the leading Jews.

    Sahi Buchari Hadiths #143, page-700 : Sulaiman Ibne Harb…Aannas Ibne Malek (ra) narrated, “in the war of Khaiber after the inhabitants of Banu Qurayza was surrendered, Allah’s apostle killed all the able/adult men, and he (prophet) took all women and children as captives (Ghani mateer maal).. Among the captives Rayhana a beautiful young Jewish girl was taken by Allah’s Apostle as booty whom He married after freeing her and her freedom was her Mohr.”

    Here is the excerpt from Dr. Andew Bostom’s article in the Frontpage Magazine:

    ‘According to the biography of Prophet Muhammad by Ibn Ishaq, Prophet Muhammad himself sanctioned the massacre of the Qurayza, a vanquished Jewish tribe mercilessly. Thus some 600 to 900 men from the Qurayza were lead on Muhammad’s order to the Market of Medina. Trenches were dug and the men were beheaded, and their decapitated corpses buried in the trenches while Muhammad watched in attendance. Women and children were sold into slavery, a number of them being distributed as gifts among Muhammad’s companions, and Muhammad chose one of the Qurayza women (Rayhana) for himself. The Qurayza’s property and other possessions (including weapons) were also divided up as additional "booty" among the Muslims, to support further jihad campaigns.

    The classical Muslim jurist al-Mawardi (a Shafi’ite jurist, d. 1058) from Baghdad was a seminal, prolific scholar who lived during the so-called Islamic "Golden Age" of the Abbasid-Baghdadian Caliphate. He wrote the following, based on widely accepted interpretations of the Qur'an and Sunna (i.e., the recorded words and deeds of Muhammad), regarding infidel prisoners of jihad campaigns:

    “As for the captives, the amir [ruler] has the choice of taking the most beneficial action of four possibilities: the first to put them to death by cutting their necks; the second, to enslave them and apply the laws of slavery regarding their sale and manumission; the third, to ransom them in exchange for goods or prisoners; and fourth, to show favor to them and pardon them. Indeed such odious “rules” were iterated by all four classical schools of Islamic jurisprudence, across the vast Muslim empire.

    For centuries, from the Iberian Peninsula to the Indian subcontinent, jihad campaigns waged by Muslim armies against infidel Jews, Christians, Zoroastrians, Buddhists and Hindus, were punctuated by massacres, including mass throat slittings and beheadings. During the period of “enlightened” Muslim rule, the Christians of Iberian Toledo, who had first submitted to their Arab Muslim invaders in 711 or 712, revolted in 713. In the harsh Muslim reprisal that ensued, Toledo was pillaged, and all the Christian notables had their throats cut.

    On the Indian subcontinent, Babur (1483-1530), the founder of the Mughal Empire, who is revered as a paragon of Muslim tolerance by modern revisionist historians, recorded the following in his autobiographical “Baburnama,” about infidel prisoners of a jihad campaign: "Those who were brought in alive [having surrendered] were ordered beheaded, after which a tower of skulls was erected in the camp."

    Historical background.


    Beheading of the criminals with a sword or axe was a common practice by all ancient civilizations for thousands of years. Beheading was widely used in Europe, Asia and Africa (Muslim and non-Muslim alike) until the very early 20th century, and only recently entire civilized world have abandoned this ancient cruel practice of capital punishment. But this barbaric ancient practice still exists in the Muslim world only. Among them are-Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Yemen and Iran and erstwhile Talebani Afghanistan. Beheadings have also occurred (perpetrated by the Jihadis in the recent past) in Algeria, Nigeria, Kashmir, Chechnya and the Muslim-dominated southern Philippines. Iranian mullahs have cut off the heads of some political figures. The Beirut CIA station chief William Buckley was kidnapped by Hezbollah and sent to Iran, where he was beheaded in 1986.

    The beheading Capital of the modern world-Saudi Arabia.

    Saudi Arabia is the birth place of Islam. Holy Quran ( Sharia laws) is the Saudi Arabia’s constitution. Islamic Sharia (Islamic Hudut laws) was formulated from the Quran and ahadiths which permits beheading of the infidels and ugly criminals like killers. Please don’t come to make your empty claim-that Saudi Arabia is not a real Islamic country! You have to give us crucial reasons why Saudi is not a real Islamic country? Also you must give us examples where lies the real Islam? Also please do not make empty sound of “mistranslation” or your ludicrous claim of so called “out of context”. Quran is considered eternal by the fanatical Muslims. Therefore, nothing is out of context to the fanatics of Islam until the judgement day!

    Saudi Arabia uses public beheading as the punishment for murder, rape, drug trafficking, sodomy and armed robbery, apostasy and certain other offences such as homosexuality illicit love affairs of Saudi girls (one Saudi princess was beheaded for illicit love). 45 men and 2 women were beheaded in 2002 and a further 52 men and 1 woman in 2003. The condemned of both sexes are given tranquillisers and then taken by police van to a public square or a car park after midday Friday prayers. Their eyes are covered and they are blindfolded. The police clear the square of traffic and a sheet of blue plastic sheet about 16 feet square is laid out on the ground. Dressed in their own clothes, barefoot, with shackled feet and hands cuffed behind their back, the prisoner is led by a police officer to the centre of the sheet where they are made to kneel facing Mecca. An Interior Ministry official reads out the prisoner's name and crime to the crowd of witnesses. Saudi Arabia also cut (Chopping) hands and feet of the thieves. And Saudi does this as per Islamic code and tradition.


    The Saudi government says the punishment (Qisas) is sanctioned by Islamic tradition. State-ordered beheadings are performed in courtyards outside crowded mosques in major cities after weekly Friday prayer services. A condemned convict is brought into the courtyard; hands tied, and forced to bow before an executioner, who swings a huge sword amid cries from onlookers of "Allahu Akbar!" Arabic for "God is great."



    No Remorse at all in the Arab Medias:

    While prison abuse scandal in the Abu Ghraib jail in Iraq created deluge of criticisms, condemnations and apology in the west, especially among the American medias, but it is astoundingly surprising that these brutal, barbaric beheadings of innocent civilian infidels in Iraq created virtually no remorse or condemnation in the entire Muslim world in general, in the entire Arab world in particular. In his Washington post essay titled: “Where's the Arab Media's Sense of Outrage?” Mamoun Fandy a columnist for two daily newspapers, Asharq al-Awsat in London and al-Ahram in Cairo, put his outrage in this way: “As I scanned Arab satellite channels and Arabic newspapers, I found a lot of reporting on the brutal attacks by the terrorists, but very little condemnation and a widespread willingness to run the stomach-turning video and photos (beheadings) again and again. Showing videotapes of people being shot, beheaded or held hostage with a curved sword aimed at their neck is largely new terrain for the Arab media. As a media critic whose focus is the Arab world, I have watched perhaps a dozen Arab channels and read countless newspapers in recent weeks. I found that few Arab commentators and journalists noted either that major shift or its significance. In particular, the Kim and Johnson beheadings generally have been reported as if they were quite ordinary.

    Al-Jazeera is the famous Arab network that calls every Arab suicide bomber a shaheed, or martyr. Islamic radicals have killed writers in Algeria, Egypt and elsewhere whose work challenged the logic of martyrdom and "random jihad," or killing foreigners in the name of Islam. But the lack of condemnation of the beheadings, despite their barbarism, is a direct result of a broad and dangerous trend in Arab media and in Arab culture broadly. The Arab world today swims in a sea of linguistic violence that justifies terrorism and makes it acceptable, especially to the young.

    One Egyptian student told me the Americans "deserve [killing] for their support to Israel and their occupation of Iraq." A Kuwaiti who recently graduated from a Pennsylvania university said of Americans, "Don't believe them when they say it is al Qaeda that is slaying Americans. It is Americans who are killing Americans to justify their presence in the Arab world and to control Arab oil." Arabs should stop deceiving themselves by confusing the suffering of Arabs in Iraq and the occupied territories in Israel with the beheading of innocent people in Iraq and elsewhere.”
     
  3. ajm229

    ajm229 New Member

    Yes, this is what I was talking about. I didn't know the particulars; thank you for helping me out there. I had assumed it was the FCC that imposed such regulations. Still, it makes the same point, with different actors.

    I would seriously doubt that any court will uphold this case by the ACLU, least of all the Supreme Court, if it makes it up there. The first Amendment certainly gives us free speech, but past rulings also show that most courts (including the Supreme Court) uphold federal (and FCC) indecency restrictions on materials. The things "alleged here in this thread" fall under those indency guidelines, and as such they are not only supposed to be regulated under "time lag" procedures, it is a moral and ethical obligation on the part of the networks and censors to do so.

    On the flip side of this is the protection of things like political speech. You may know of the incident this past week where that guy (I forget his name) was muted and cut off in the West Coast time zone for criticizing George Bush. This is the kind of thing that the ACLU DOES have a case against, as that is unconstitutional. As long as you aren't committing slander, pretty much any political speech is protected.

    Gee, Dan, thanks. I don't suppose they would make a guideline specifically singling out "shooting babies on primetime television." Try reading what it says about the law and then CRITICALLY APPLYING that knowledge to specific instances that have occurred or may occur in the future. I would have to say that the examples of indecent broadcast provided by several people (not just me) would fit their definition of indecent.


    Rick - thanks, it was a five-second delay.... your example there is one instance of indecency in the form of profanity, which gets "bleeped" by the network censors.


    Interesting question. The American public would demand retribution. What that is, though, is open to interpretation. Some people would demand that we respond with nuclear weapons of our own. And rightfully so; if they nuke us, we nuke them, is the basic idea there. Some people would want whoever is in that current administration to more agressively pursue terrorists and beef up intelligence even more to apprehend the terrorists before another such event could occur. Still others would want to preserve peace and "tactically strike" targets of importance to the terrorists, and/or their leadership.

    In other words, the American public would want to do the same things as right after 9/11, only on a larger scale, I think. You would see many more people advocating nuclear strikes than there are now, and less advocating peace. There's something more sinister when you say the words "nuclear warhead."

    Quite so. In peacable times, they do more leading than following in federal matters, but in times of conflict, they worry a lot more about what their constituents think because they'll have to get re-elected by them, and so they vote more often according to what their districts/states want to see happen.

    I agree most wholeheartedly with this, and I would assume that most of the rest of us here would too. Especially the "yet to be fully tested" part.


    And Andy, I don't know where the heck you got a copy like that, but it is more akin to the "Bible" used by Satinists in Christianity than it is to the Qur'an. The Qu'ran is extremely similar to the Christian Bible. Not to mention that several of your example are extremely biased. Are you gonna sit there and tell us all that the Christians never did many of the same things? Like beheading, mass killings, etc? If you are going to present an argument like this, you would be better served to present BOTH sides, rather than your biased take on one.

    ~AJ
     
  4. Andy

    Andy Well-Known Member

    Post your Koran and tell me where I can buy it for every one that I ever read inside and outside of the states was pretty much the same and it wasn't an easy read to take.
     
  5. ajm229

    ajm229 New Member

    I'm not going to sit here and quote passages of the Qur'an to you. Do your own research for your own benefit - so you won't be so ignorant. All I know is that I read the Qur'an for my world religions class, and your passages are wrong and biased.

    ~AJ
     
  6. RickieB

    RickieB New Member

    You know Andy...as I said in a early post...this is the biggest bunch of BS I have ever read! Sounds like a bunch of folks from Austin Tx Tribe made it over to Bum Fuddle Middle East...How could you read such C_ _ P? Just goes to show you the radical nature of the Beast..yep they are a Beast! Not the private citizens trying to do good..just the 99 million other Mother Truckers!
    Like I said.."Lock and Load, Marine"
    RickieB :D
     
  7. CoinAgent

    CoinAgent New Member

    Yeah, terrorists and extremists saying things like that is very disturbing.
     
  8. kvasir

    kvasir New Member

    Again, this is no different from some Christian fundamentalists who said the tsunami was God's punishment on the sex tourism that goes on in those part of Southeast Asia. Or that AIDS is God's punishment against gays and sexual immorality, that many to this day still believe.

    I nearly walked out of my church when I heard that from this one speaker we had on Sunday.

    And i'm sure some of us have heard those fundamentalists saying that a big earthquake in San Francisco is just waiting to happen to punish those gays.

    I guess when Christians are the victims it's a test of faith, but when it happens to those people, it's God's punishment.

    Unbelievable.
     
  9. Midas

    Midas New Member

    I wouldn't have walked out. I would have waited and told the speaker off. That's what YOU should have done. If you don't keep any of these whack-jobs in place, these same people that watch shows like "Jerry Springer" will follow these speakers blindly. That is because they have NO backbone or smarts. That is how Hitler got into power. He was a gifted speaker, but nobody had the guts to put him in his place.

    There is a differance between words and actions...unfortunately there are many more islamic terrorists that will ACT out the Koran's passages becuase they are content on bringing the world back to the middle ages.

    ACTIONS speak volumes over WORDS. The day when you see Christian and Jewish sucicide bombers killing themselves and the innocent in the name of God, then you may have an argument. Until then, mulsim terrorists "sticks and stones" are doing much damage than a few misguided Christisns.

    Myself and most other non-mulsims have the guts to put idiots that preach like that in their place. If they work in their garage making bomb devices, I will turn them in! When was the last time you heard of mulsims taking ACTIONS against their own clerics and radicals? They don't! They just use lip service and keep on trying to convince the west that islam is a "religion of peace".

    Guess if mulsims don't go after their own sick animals, we will have to do it for them.

    Still holding my breath...

    ACTIONS people...ACTIONS...they speak volumes over lip service.
     
  10. quick dog

    quick dog New Member

    You can't compare modern fundamentalist Christians with radical Muslims. That is a bad comparison, a cop-out. You could make that comparison with the 15th Century Catholic church.
     
  11. RickieB

    RickieB New Member

    I love this one..perhaps the US Justice System to adopt the policy of the Koran and impose it upon the Radical little twits when we catch them here. Give them a taste of their own punishment instead of the Justice of a Trial and imprisionment! Cut off their hands and feet and let the squirm like the snakes that they are!!


    5:33-“The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution (by beheading), or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;”

    An eye for an eye...hummm

    Lock and Load Marines!
    RickieB :D
     
  12. OldDan

    OldDan New Member

    Because certain members of this forum (attention moan-an-groan, amd my old friend ajm) would rather believe their poker playing buddies on this matter, I have taken excerpts from a Muslim web site, which I will post for both his and his buddies reading enjoyment. Then let he and/or them deny these as mis-quotes.

    http://www.secularislam.org/law.htm

    · Quran-9:29: Fight those who do not profess the true faith (Islam) till they pay the polltax (jiziya) with the hand of humility.

    · Quran-9:5: Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them and take them captive, and besiege them and prepare for them each ambush….

    · Quran-47:4: When you meet the unbelievers in the Jihad strike off their heads….

    · Quran-2:191: And slay (kill) them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out such is the reward of those who suppress faith.

    · Quran-8: 65: O Apostle! Rouse the believers to the fight…(against) unbelievers.

    No matter which translation of the Quran you read, it does not take a rocket scientist to comprehend the message Allah wanted to transmit for Arabs. Yet, bigoted Mullahs will always try to blame Christian translators for Quranic contradictions/errors/inconsistencies etc. and will try to find lame excuses to cover up Allah’s ignorance.

    The Holy Quran is full of inaccuracies, contradictions, inconsistencies, redundancies, a lack of chronologies or chapters, grammatical errors etc. One can find hundreds of contradictions/errors/inconsistencies in the Holy Quran and the above mentioned ayats are just selected samples from the Quran. But still it is a miracle to those who are blindfolded bigots.
     
  13. rick

    rick New Member

    Every religion has been used to excuse hatred... well except buddhism - never heard of a buddhist extremist before, but I would imagine it would have to involve some pretty intense meditation - and you'll be sorry!!

    I mean, there are some pretty darn angry statements written in the old testiment - and if you are criticizing the kuran, that is what you should relate it to.

    Let's face it, by and large, most people's opinions are based on what they know about a certain subject, and the extremists that do shocking things in the name of their religion are the ones that paint the picture. Likewise, the christian faith does not want to be paired with the twisted minds of those that bomb abortion clinics, right?

    This is what I am getting at, when I blast these threads. I am guessing that most participants in these discussions are primarily Christian in faith - how would you like to come here and see someone creating threads about Christians being a bunch of building bombers? It sounds distastful even typing something like that... So I just ask that people keep this in mind when they blast Muslims. There are a lot of good people in the Muslim faith.
     
  14. Andy

    Andy Well-Known Member

    I read my first Quran in College for a course which I bought in the College Book Store. I read the Quran a second time when I was in the middle east around 10 years later and I purchased it over there in Jordan. I read the Quran a third time around 6 years ago from Barnes and Noble bookstore. All three repeated the same themes and seemed to reflect the same words.

    Most people are born equally good. After birth is where the human race tends to mess things up and in the Islamic World it is messed up big time. Why they are quick to kill each other roughly based upon which sect followed which leader after Muhammad died. Just look at the car bombs and who is doing it to whom. etc..........
     
  15. kvasir

    kvasir New Member

    I was just making a comparison on what was SAID on both sides. But Christians ACTED on their beliefs just as much.

    And we don't have to go as far as the 15th century...

    - Recall the Salem witch hunt? They weren't Catholics.
    - Recall the KKK? They weren't Catholics.
    - Recall the Atlantic Olympic bomber?
    - Recall the assasinations at abortion clinics
    - The violence in Northern Ireland (that's christian against christian)
    - What about the less violent ways the Christians are enforcing their beliefs and restricting the rights on others in the political arena? Look at all these political groups, parties and pressure groups pushing for their right-wing agenda. The agenda includes power to arrest and imprison people for what they do in their bedrooms.

    Yes these nut jobs are certainly a minority but that is just the same for muslim extremists.

    You can't really rely on translations for these conclusions, unless you were refering to the grammatical errors in Arabic, for example. The only authoritative/official version of the Quran is the original Arabic version.
     
  16. ajm229

    ajm229 New Member

    Old Dan and Andy: nice job coming up with quotes from a website. Obviously, as we all know, websites are NEVER, EVER, full of misinformation and lies. :rolleyes:

    I am just gonna take a stab in the dark here and say that you don't read Arabic. I can read a little from practice. Quess what.... that is an extremely difficult language to translate. Do you ever wonder why intelligence in the Middle East is so pitiful sometimes? It is because they cannot translate anything to 100% satisafaction. It gets even harder when you are talking about ANCIENT Arabic, as the REAL Qur'an is written in. When you transcribe some of its passages into English, you get things that sound like
    If you take that passage in its context, however, what it is really saying is that Muslims should fight those who do not profess the true faith USING THE MESSENGERS OF ALLAH (AKA missionaries, EXACTLY like the Christian missionaries who helped to "reform" the beliefs of natives in the New World in the 15th and 16th centuries.)

    You want to use passages like this? Go for it, but you'd better put it ito context. All you are doing right now is SKEWING the facts of the matter.

    By the way - your website is also biased in the fact that they are trying to make the point that Islam should become secular. Obviously, they are only going to include those passages that are helping their cause, and inflammatory quotes from the Qur'an do just that for them. They, like yourself, are not putting them into context to provide a FAIR, SUBJECTIVE analysis of the passages of the Qur'an.

    ~AJ
     
  17. ajm229

    ajm229 New Member

    Fair points.
     
  18. Midas

    Midas New Member

    And they were all persued, apprehendend, and prosecuted by non-mulsims to the fullest extent of the law. Those that deserved death sentences got them! There weren't Christians dancing in the streets shooting off AK-47's praising God after the acts you listed. Other Christians (I consider myself Catholic Lite---like lite beer, 1/3 less Catholic) didn't excuse them...our ACTIONS were we went after them, captured them, and now they are doing time or death.

    If that is all you got compared to the recent (last 50 years) number of murders, hi-jackings, beheadings. etc., that Islamic Terrorists have committed as the mulsim populous quietly "high-fives" each other without bringing these animals to justice...then that argument is soooooooooo lame. I will put the tiny number of Christain/Jewish terrorists against your thousands of Mulsim terrorists anyday if you want to compare numbers and terrorist acts over the last 50 years.

    ACTIONS...where are the ACTIONS of mulsims going after these terrorists? They may condemn it publically, but how can you believe it based on their ACTIONS as well as lack of them when they prosecute these islamic extremists??

    [​IMG]

    Last but not least, 99.999999999% of all Christians and Jews dont live their life 500 or 1000 years ago. We owned up to mistakes in the past and we moved forward into the 20th and 21st Century. Can you say the same about the Mulsim religion?

    ACTIONS...not lip service...ACTIONS speak louder than some mulsim cleric on CCN trying to convince me islam is a peaceful religion.

    What's the virgin count up to? 70? 73? Their allah better raise the stakes.

    "Evil wins when good does nothing"
     
  19. rick

    rick New Member

    that's just pretty racist, right there...
     
  20. kvasir

    kvasir New Member

    I was just citing some of the contemporary things Christians have done on others and of course this doesn't amount to the destruction islamic extreamists have brought during the same time period. I was just pointing out that Christians weren't all just about words.

    Don't forget centuries of colonisation and slavery the western civilisation has brought on to others in the name of spreading God's Word. Remember the small pox and flu introduced to America that nearly wiped out native population? That's the equivalent to modern bioterrorism to me. What about Britain forcing the opium trade on China that resulted in 2 wars and a new colony? At least North Korea today didn't force the narcotics on others with military threats. It didn't stop after the opium wars, China was then forced to open up even more of her ports to even more countries robbed of her riches and power from these unequal trade treaties. All the while people of Europe, who didn't exactly go on the street firing AK-47 to celebrate, but no one complained when they were bragging about their expanding empires, dining on fine sugar and drowning in the riches of gold and silver harvested and mined by slaves. Meanwhile European said they have a burden to go to these countries because God commands them to. How is that any different from the Crusades in the Middle Ages that was fought in the name of God.

    Last time I checked no one was prosecuted for these historic crimes.

    Events just occured at different time periods for different civilisations. You really can't expect the Islamic civilisation to jump ahead to catch up. Whose fault was it when western powers were there carving up land and resources and hindered progress? Who carved up the Middle East and Africa along arbitrary lines that became the roots of all these ethnic conflicts we see today? That alone hindered any chance of progress these countries could otherwise have.

    It is not a stretch to say that it is because of the labour and riches taken from others during the age of colonisation that funded science, technologies and industries that allowed Europe and America to advanced so rapidly past all other civilisations. Remember the Islamic world had one of the most advance mathmatics and science when Europe was still in their Dark Ages. Our number script comes from them and so did algebra, chemistry, medicine and much more.
     

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